Cadel Evans Discussion Thread

[Froome19]

Yes there are few GC contenders that can crack Evans (they are "here" though, cough Fränk, Samu, Gesink) but there also very few GC contenders Evans can crack.

With all things being equal I dont know about that..

 

[Ferminal]

When the real racing starts in the mountains. Wiggins will have very few domestiques left. Froome only maybe.

He does not need to crack the UK postal train.

Have you seen Sky this year, have you studied the course?

Rogers and Porte (after Siutsou and EBH) will be more than enough to guide Wiggins to the serious end of the "mountain" stages. Of all the genuine contenders, Wiggins will have the best teammate (Froome). If Wiggins is beaten it's not due to the weaknesses of his team.

 

[Carols]

Who said he was ignoring Menchov?

Well that would have been Cadel...

"It's not good, but not bad. Of course I'd rather lose less seconds, you never want to lose time," said Evans. "One GC rider ahead of me, but I was half expecting that... that's what Wiggins' background is, these short hard efforts.

"The real racing starts tomorrow."

 

[Carols]

IMO Cadel's strength is that he is very good at many things....climbing, TTing, bike handling, descending, tactics. Maybe not the best at any, but classy at all!!!

 

[cineteq]

IMO Cadel's strength is that he is very good at many things....climbing, TTing, bike handling, descending, tactics. Maybe not the best at any, but classy at all!!!

Unlike some wannabe Brit rider

 

[AussieEdge]

That awkward moment when the new member starts calling respected regular forum members trolls..

Cadel isn't a great climber. He doesn't have a great acceleration uphill. If he just rides tempo Wiggins can probably hang on. Real climbers need to crack Wiggo, but they might as well crack Evans. Anyway, Cadel's strength isn't in the mountains, Wiggo's weakness is in the mountains.
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what else would you call them??? They were acting like Evens was riding so bad in the prolouge he cant win the TDF. Now I cant believe anyone would be stupid enough to believe that so at best there were anti Cadel at worst they were trolling, looking for a windup. I may be new to this forum but trolls on all forums are exactly the same...

I also cant believe that you think he's not that crash hot in the climbs either - last year proved otherwise. In any fact he doesnt have to be the best at everything just better than Wiggins this year which I am very confident he will be

 

[Sylvester]

There's some other riders taking part in this race, you know.

 

[AussieEdge]

oh I know that....seems Wiggins fan club dont get that bit..,..

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

what else would you call them??? They were acting like Evens was riding so bad in the prolouge he cant win the TDF. Now I cant believe anyone would be stupid enough to believe that so at best there were anti Cadel at worst they were trolling, looking for a windup. I may be new to this forum but trolls on all forums are exactly the same...

I also cant believe that you think he's not that crash hot in the climbs either - last year proved otherwise. In any fact he doesnt have to be the best at everything just better than Wiggins this year which I am very confident he will be

Nobody said any of that.

You are emotionally incapable of taking a balanced view, so you interpret anything negative as an irrational attack.

Cadel can still have a very good tour, but yesterday was not a good day for him.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

The former world road champion called it a "not good, but not bad" performance.

That's the most positive Cadel could get for his necessarily upbeat review of the day with the team website.

 

[Fetisoff]

That awkward moment when the new member starts calling respected regular forum members trolls..

Well, I guess this should be taken as a compliment then

Cadel isn't a great climber. He doesn't have a great acceleration uphill.

This I would actually disagree with (RE: Fleche Wallone, World Championship wins)

 

[The Hitch]

Cadel was arguably the strongest climber last year in the mountains, probably just behind Andy and on par with Frank.
There is a lot more climbing talent on show this year but I dont see any of them bettering Cadel's climbing last year.

Also Wiggo's weakness maybe in the mountains but we cant ascertain that just yet



You say that in hindsight, go back and watch the stages and you will see how they were all still concerned about Contador until the last hurrah at the summit of Alpe d'huez. Just see how Frank Schleck acted on stage 18.

Again you go total overestimating 2011 frank. Evans was easily better than Frank in the mountains. Contador was also better than Frank as was.maybe even sanchez. Frank spent 7 days sucking wheels.while everyone else attacked, some practically on every stage, and he still couldn't muster the strength to try something on lalpe.

 

[The Hitch]

oh I know that....seems Wiggins fan club dont get that bit..,..

You don't seem to know that judging by the comment about how he only needs to beat wiggins

 

[Froome19]

Again you go total overestimating 2011 frank. Evans was easily better than Frank in the mountains. Contador was also better than Frank as was.maybe even sanchez. Frank spent 7 days sucking wheels.while everyone else attacked, some practically on every stage, and he still couldn't muster the strength to try something on lalpe.

I was going to say Evans was better but then thought someone would bring his results on the mountains stages which were superior to the others but indeed you are right, though Contador was not up to his climbing level certainly.

 

[cineteq]

You don't seem to know that judging by the comment about how he only needs to beat wiggins

You wouldn't be doing this comment if Evans would have mentioned Menchov.

 

[The Hitch]

You wouldn't be doing this comment if Evans would have mentioned Menchov.

No that was about Evans underating his opponents.

this is about his fans underrating his opponents. 2 totally different discussions.

 

[LaFlorecita]

This I would actually disagree with (RE: Fleche Wallone, World Championship wins)

Oh, if you say so. Well, then I'm already looking forward to seeing Evans riding away from the others with his great acceleration.

 

[Fetisoff]

Oh, if you say so. Well, then I'm already looking forward to seeing Evans riding away from the others with his great acceleration.

Well, he's not gonna do that on the longer climbs, Alberto-style. But some of this short steep stuff (or even maybe stage like today if he wants to try) he's capable of going away from most riders

 

[LaFlorecita]

Well, he's not gonna do that on the longer climbs, Alberto-style. But some of this short steep stuff (or even maybe stage like today if he wants to try) he's capable of going away from most riders

But I was talking about longer climbs

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Evans has been a diesel in the past, but several years of climbing, plus his puncheur skills, have meant he has developed an attacking kick in the mountains. No, he's not dancing on the pedals like Alberto or rocketing away from people like Riccò, but with his ungainly climbing style he was never going to be doing that. To tell the truth, it's been there for a while, but you'd get several times where he'd attack (or more likely counterattack) once on a climb (see Hautacam '08 for an example), it wouldn't work, then he'd get disheartened and sit in. It was more a lack of persistence than a lack of attacking kick that held him back at that point.

 

[Galic Ho]

When the real racing starts in the mountains. Wiggins will have very few domestiques left. Froome only maybe.

He does not need to crack the UK postal train.

What train? Stage 1, Rogers adds another chapter to his post retirement book titled 'Races I have crashed in' and the Sky train dies. Where was Wiggins? Almost off the back. Where was Evans and every other GC rider? At the front.

Keep trolling team Sky d1$K riders. My did Wiggins look peeved at the finish. Finger waving, Austin Powers wannabe style. Now Evans didn't need that did he? Nah, he was pulling everyone back to Cancellara. That's the style and power needed to win a GT. Team Sky has a lot to learn. Keep trollolololololing geniuses.

 

[Froome19]

What train? Stage 1, Rogers adds another chapter to his post retirement book titled 'Races I have crashed in' and the Sky train dies. Where was Wiggins? Almost off the back. Where was Evans and every other GC rider? At the front.

Keep trolling team Sky d1$K riders. My did Wiggins look peeved at the finish. Finger waving, Austin Powers wannabe style. Now Evans didn't need that did he? Nah, he was pulling everyone back to Cancellara. That's the style and power needed to win a GT. Team Sky has a lot to learn. Keep trollolololololing geniuses.

Today was chaos, the mountains will not be...

Of course today was a Sky fail but you cant take that and then say that the mountains will be because there is no relation between what happened today and what could happen in the mountains..

 

[Galic Ho]

Have you seen Sky this year, have you studied the course?

Rogers and Porte (after Siutsou and EBH) will be more than enough to guide Wiggins to the serious end of the "mountain" stages. Of all the genuine contenders, Wiggins will have the best teammate (Froome). If Wiggins is beaten it's not due to the weaknesses of his team.

You see that line of thinking avoids reality. Michael Rogers delivered what he usually does. A nice trip to the bitumen. Once again delivering his usual GT competency. One week races do not equal three week grand tours.

Froome historically, will probably be stronger than Wiggins at the end of the third week. If he's a podium chance over Wiggins, who would you pick. BMC is one of a few teams NOT hedging their bets. They have one clear captain and no mixed signals. Rabo have multiple bets. RSNT, Movistar and Sky have multiple bets as well. BMC actually seem to have their heads screwed on properly. Their DS is a smart man and has delivered two men to Paris in yellow. There is a reason for that.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Of course, Wiggins looked comfortable on the climb and finished ahead of Cadel, but I don't suppose that counts for much.

I certainly can't recall anyone saying Cadel would take time today.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Today was chaos, the mountains will not be...

Of course today was a Sky fail but you cant take that and then say that the mountains will be because there is no relation between what happened today and what could happen in the mountains..

They will learn from this failure I am sure.