Cadel evans do or die for tour de france this july

[auscyclefan94]

Hopefully he doesnt' come top 3 and hopefully he doesn't come top 3 in the Dauphine.

Aussie's overrate him and think he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. Seeing him not come top 3 in any of these races will make my day.

You will continually just hate him. NOt surprising for someone like you but I think the reason why cycling is covered so much more in mainstream media and on sbs is because of him. I don't like how you have to bag him about everything.

 

[Archibald]

You will continually just hate him. NOt surprising for someone like you but I think the reason why cycling is covered so much more in mainstream media and on sbs is because of him. I don't like how you have to bag him about everything.

do you ever feel like you're being baited?

 

[JA.Tri]

do you ever feel like you're being baited?

That.

@ ACF: Moderating your defensive posts/ignoring those you find offensive would probably serve you well.

 

[auscyclefan94]

do you ever feel like you're being baited?

That.

@ ACF: Moderating your defensive posts/ignoring those you find offensive would probably serve you well.

Sasquatch may now claim that he was baiting me after seeing these posts but you don't continually post hateful messages like that unless you reall loathe the person.

 

[will10]

Ignore them and they will stop duh

 

[El Pistolero]

Also indicates that BMC are not going after Cav as reported.

So Cav to Sky or Greenedge no one else can afford him I guess.

Team manager has made it very clear again to HLN that they're going to all out for Philippe Gilbert. You can't have those 2 in the same team.

 

[austy37]

BMC should give up on Cadel's GC hopes anyway. Wins are more important and they are not getting enough of them so getting Cav will ensure they win more races.

he's won 2 races already thats pretty decent isnt it?

 

[Sasquatch]

he's won 2 races already thats pretty decent isnt it?

He is the only one winning races. He can't win them all and he won't. There needs to be someone else to win races. Fact is BMC are a not a world tour team. They need a rider that can win races on a consistent basis.

And I'm not baiting ACF. I'm just stating my opinion.

 

[will10]

He is the only one winning races. He can't win them all and he won't. There needs to be someone else to win races. Fact is BMC are a not a world tour team. They need a rider that can win races on a consistent basis.

And I'm not baiting ACF. I'm just stating my opinion.

They are deserving of being a World Tour team, but they aren't a strong one.

 

[Sasquatch]

They are deserving of being a World Tour team, but they aren't a strong one.

They are not deserving if they are making up the numbers - which they are. They need to win a lot more races than they are winning now to be deserving of their status.

 

[just some guy]

They are not deserving if they are making up the numbers - which they are. They need to win a lot more races than they are winning now to be deserving of their status.

They finished 5-6th last year so lots of teams are much worse than BMC.

 

[dlwssonic]

erm according to the rankings BMC are doing pretty well at 7th. And rankings are all that matters at the UCI. So you can say watever you want about them but the fact is that they are a world tour team and their rank is that bad either. But yes i do agree they need other people who can win, thats why they want to get gilbert. There are much stronger teams who are below BMC in the rankings

 

[movingtarget]

BMC showed up well in the classics but they badly need a quality sprinter to get them some results. Without Evans they just don't win. They have strong riders like Ballan, Kroon and Greg VA but what hope do those guys have against even a Grade B sprinter ? Top 10 finishes are not enough even though their team ranking so far is not too bad.

 

[auscyclefan94]

He is the only one winning races. He can't win them all and he won't. There needs to be someone else to win races. Fact is BMC are a not a world tour team. They need a rider that can win races on a consistent basis.

And I'm not baiting ACF. I'm just stating my opinion.

Just to remind you that Cadel won Romandie this year like you said he wouldn't. I guess he fluked that win.

What does that make Quickstep, Astana and Euskatel if BMC aren't up to World Tour standards? Are you suggesting a smaller number of World Tour teams?

 

[dlwssonic]

Just to remind you that Cadel won Romandie this year like you said he wouldn't. I guess he fluked that win.

What does that make Quickstep, Astana and Euskatel if BMC aren't up to World Tour standards? Are you suggesting a smaller number of World Tour teams?

He just doesnt like BMC

 

[Angliru]

Last yr i think Cadel could have won or got podium. He would not have been dropped by Menchov and Samu most likely. He also had a bit of a gain on Contador. And Contador's ITT was weak last yr. Finishing 7 secs behind Armstrong in the Prolouge and then 30th or something in the last ITT.

If the 07 TDF was flat why would Rasmussen have targeted it. He could have just done what he did in 06 working for Menchov. In that TDF Evans was ganged up on. By Popo ( top 10 ) Levi ( 3rd ) and Contador. In 08 it was the same and he had riders like Kohl and Menchov glued to his wheel when Sastre attacked.

This is a great chance this yr for Cadel to get a podium position.

Only in Cadel fans fantasy world would Evans had won the Tour last year. He would've lost major time to AC and AS in the mountains, time that he would not have been able to regain in the minimal ITT's.

We've heard the sob story over and over about Evans being "ganged up on".
Here's a tissue. Hope that helps in sopping up the tears.

Rassmussen was expected to do his KOM thing and was allowed to go off on his epic KOM points collecting attacks, but he was a bit more ambitious than the contenders had anticipated and he continued to put time into them ending up in the yellow jersey by nature of their inattentiveness to him as an actual threat. Additionally they expected a replay of his catastrophic TTing that he exhibited the year before. Of course that never occurred and the Chicken was suddenly quite capable against the clock, to the surprise of virtually everyone in the sport. He continued to outclimb everyone with the exception of Contador and on occasion the exceptionally aggressive Juan Mauricio Soler.

Menchov is I recall was one of the first to attempt to respond to Sastre's attack but failed and had to retreat back to the elite group. If Evans wanted to win the Tour his chance was disappearing up the road. He failed to do the math letting Sastre escape. Sastre being Saxo's last chance for the Tour win, regardless of Frank Schleck being in yellow, primarily because of the looming ITT, a discipline that Frank Schleck doesn't exactly strike fear into anyone's heart with his past performances.

 

[just some guy]

Only in Cadel fans fantasy world would Evans had won the Tour last year. He would've lost major time to AC and AS in the mountains, time that he would not have been able to regain in the minimal ITT's.

We've heard the sob story over and over about Evans being "ganged up on".
Here's a tissue. Hope that helps in sopping up the tears.

Rassmussen was expected to do his KOM thing and was allowed to go off on his epic KOM points collecting attacks, but he was a bit more ambitious than the contenders had anticipated and he continued to put time into them ending up in the yellow jersey by nature of their inattentiveness to him as an actual threat. Additionally they expected a replay of his catastrophic TTing that he exhibited the year before. Of course that never occurred and the Chicken was suddenly quite capable against the clock, to the surprise of virtually everyone in the sport. He continued to outclimb everyone with the exception of Contador and on occasion the exceptionally aggressive Juan Mauricio Soler.

Menchov is I recall was one of the first to attempt to respond to Sastre's attack but failed and had to retreat back to the elite group. If Evans wanted to win the Tour his chance was disappearing up the road. He failed to do the math letting Sastre escape. Sastre being Saxo's last chance for the Tour win, regardless of Frank Schleck being in yellow, primarily because of the looming ITT, a discipline that Frank Schleck doesn't exactly strike fear into anyone's heart with his past performances.

I get quite scared watching to be honest

 

[Angliru]

Was I dreaming or AC had a hairline fracture similar to Cadel in Il Giro 08?

Maybe is just me, but as much as I like Cadel, he always find a delicious escuse to faulter.

No you weren't dreaming. Just wasn't publicized and dramatized to the extent that Evans injury was. Of course Evans battling on was pure courage and determination but Contador's similar circumstance was simply forgotten by most.

 

[movingtarget]

Only in Cadel fans fantasy world would Evans had won the Tour last year. He would've lost major time to AC and AS in the mountains, time that he would not have been able to regain in the minimal ITT's.

We've heard the sob story over and over about Evans being "ganged up on".
Here's a tissue. Hope that helps in sopping up the tears.

Rassmussen was expected to do his KOM thing and was allowed to go off on his epic KOM points collecting attacks, but he was a bit more ambitious than the contenders had anticipated and he continued to put time into them ending up in the yellow jersey by nature of their inattentiveness to him as an actual threat. Additionally they expected a replay of his catastrophic TTing that he exhibited the year before. Of course that never occurred and the Chicken was suddenly quite capable against the clock, to the surprise of virtually everyone in the sport. He continued to outclimb everyone with the exception of Contador and on occasion the exceptionally aggressive Juan Mauricio Soler.

Menchov is I recall was one of the first to attempt to respond to Sastre's attack but failed and had to retreat back to the elite group. If Evans wanted to win the Tour his chance was disappearing up the road. He failed to do the math letting Sastre escape. Sastre being Saxo's last chance for the Tour win, regardless of Frank Schleck being in yellow, primarily because of the looming ITT, a discipline that Frank Schleck doesn't exactly strike fear into anyone's heart with his past performances.

I agree that Evan's still would have struggled against Schleck and Contador in the mountains last year but he would have made up plenty of time in the time trial because Schleck is mediocre and Contador had a bad day. Menchov made a up a lot of time and Evans also should have done well on a course that would have suited him. Not enough to win the race maybe but I think he would have been not far away from the podium. The trouble the Chicken has in the time trial is staying on the bike. As bike handler he makes the Schleck brothers look like genius'. Anyway in a month's time all will be revealed.

 

[Angliru]

I agree that Evan's still would have struggled against Schleck and Contador in the mountains last year but he would have made up plenty of time in the time trial because Schleck is mediocre and Contador had a bad day. Menchov made a up a lot of time and Evans also should have done well on a course that would have suited him. Not enough to win the race maybe but I think he would have been not far away from the podium. The trouble the Chicken has in the time trial is staying on the bike. As bike handler he makes the Schleck brothers look like genius'. Anyway in a month's time all will be revealed.

From what I've seen over the past 2 years, Evans TT performances have declined to the point where it is no longer something that he can depend on to use to make up time. This is especially true come the final week of grand tours, where he seems to run out of gas from pushing himself too far in trying to limit his losses in the mountains.

 

[movingtarget]

From what I've seen over the past 2 years, Evans TT performances have declined to the point where it is no longer something that he can depend on to use to make up time. This is especially true come the final week of grand tours, where he seems to run out of gas from pushing himself too far in trying to limit his losses in the mountains.

I would agree with that. He can't get close to the specialists anymore it seems but as for the GC riders, only Menchov, Contador would usually be close. Gesink also and possibly Sanchez. I was surprised Evans finished behind Brajkovic yesterday but the rain complicated things and some riders did not take as many risks but it was a nice ride by the R/Shack rider all the same. Evans can still use it to make up time but the not the big chunks of time he used to. Christophe Moreau made an interesting comment before he retired. He said that ageing had not effected his climbing too much but he really felt it in the time trial. Vino also has lost quite a bit in the time trial.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

brajkovic is a better itt rider than evans. evans itt is really overrated

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I would agree with that. He can't get close to the specialists anymore it seems but as for the GC riders, only Menchov, Contador would usually be close. Gesink also and possibly Sanchez. I was surprised Evans finished behind Brajkovic yesterday but the rain complicated things and some riders did not take as many risks but it was a nice ride by the R/Shack rider all the same. Evans can still use it to make up time but the not the big chunks of time he used to. Christophe Moreau made an interesting comment before he retired. He said that ageing had not effected his climbing too much but he really felt it in the time trial. Vino also has lost quite a bit in the time trial.

Only Menchov and Contador would come close?

Evans has a good head to head record against Menchov, but the ITT in the Tour is at the tail end of the race; Evans hasn't beaten Menchov in week 3 of a GT since 2006.

Contador has the upper hand in head to heads against Evans; since the 2007 Tour (where Evans held the advantage) the Australian has only beaten Contador twice - and they were both in the same race (Dauphiné 2009). At all other races in the last four years Contador's had his number.

Samuel Sánchez is not somebody who comes with Evans' TT pedigree, and certainly at many races (especially shorter ones not called "Vuelta al País Vasco") Evans continues to have the Asturian beaten. But the last time they faced off in a GT (Tour 2010) Samu beat Evans, and the last time they faced off in a GT where both were in some kind of reasonable form (Vuelta 2009) Samu beat Evans in both meaningful-length TTs.

 

[movingtarget]

Only Menchov and Contador would come close?

Evans has a good head to head record against Menchov, but the ITT in the Tour is at the tail end of the race; Evans hasn't beaten Menchov in week 3 of a GT since 2006.

Contador has the upper hand in head to heads against Evans; since the 2007 Tour (where Evans held the advantage) the Australian has only beaten Contador twice - and they were both in the same race (Dauphiné 2009). At all other races in the last four years Contador's had his number.

Samuel Sánchez is not somebody who comes with Evans' TT pedigree, and certainly at many races (especially shorter ones not called "Vuelta al País Vasco") Evans continues to have the Asturian beaten. But the last time they faced off in a GT (Tour 2010) Samu beat Evans, and the last time they faced off in a GT where both were in some kind of reasonable form (Vuelta 2009) Samu beat Evans in both meaningful-length TTs.

What I meant by close was getting beaten although not by much or beating them without huge time gaps. I thought Evans beat Menchov in the 2008 final TT ? My mistake. Anyway my point was there are not many of the GC riders that beat Evans regularly, I suppose Wiggins should also be included and Evans does not make up as much time as he used to in the TT. You could hardly rate Evans 2010 TT in the TDF as he was not even trying. He was just trying to finish the race with his elbow injury. According to him he could not even get into his normal TT position due to his elbow injury.

Sanchez is a bit of an enigma in the time trial but he seems to prefer the longer one's. He is either mediocre or he blitzes it. It will be interesting to see how Sanchez and Basso go in the TDF. Basso I have doubts about and Sanchez's pre Tour performances this year have not been up to his usual standards not that that always means much in July.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I wonder what excuses Evans will come up with this time if he gets dropped on every single MTF in this year's Tour. I'm not talking relative to the 2 best climbers in the race, but compared to the 2nd tier climbers.

This year he has failed to deliver on each and every semi serious MTF

- Pal (Andorra)
- Collet d'Allevard
- La Toussuire

I don't think he was horribly off form in the Dauphine, either. His TT was up to par and he was good in the hilly stage that Van Den Broeck won. I seriously doubt that he can do much better in the high mountains.

Thoughts?