Cadel Evans - Whining little girl or Hyper GT Contender - Discuss

[L'arriviste]

To those of you who actually responded with a salient and reasoned argument...thank you and I apologise to you in adavance of what I am about to write here.

I am not sure who ACF is but most of you seem to be afraid of whoever he/she is. Have I stumbled across a Stalinist Russian enclave where the right to free speech and expression are forbidden?

I didn't say anything libellous nor insulting. I merely asked a question. It was not a statement of fact rather a way to find out what others thought...maybe that was my mistake. Better not say anything controversial or I will get my hand slapped and sent to bed with no supper.

If you don't like other peoples opinions then join a sequestered and speech ridden monastery. Not a public forum.

Any time I have posted something here or made a comment on anothers post I have been attacked by little gangs of elitist snobs who pretend to have had an illustrious amateur cycling career whilst being insanely jealous of anyone who has any real success or the money to spend on top notch equipment. I belong to a forum that deals in reality...its called the human race. You should try it sometime.

Oh by the way......to anyone on here who thinks its funny to belittle others because of there beliefs, clothes they wear or bikes they ride...thats called bullying which is born out of spineless cowardice.

I think I will do myself a favour and leave this place to be run by snivelling little civil servants diguised as cycling enthusiasts. There is nothing enthusiatic about berating from behind a keyboard and I loathe myself for doing so now...but I am left little or no choice.

What a sad existence you people have!

A friendly word: I do think your thread title was too provocative - whether you meant it or not, you can't change that now, you can ask a mod to do it. The title as it is now isn't inviting debate, but rather inviting people to come down on one side or the other. Black or white.

There are some hard cases here but there are a lot more reasonable people. Appeal to them in reasonable language and you'll get what you're looking for. There's no need to quit over it.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I am not sure who ACF is but most of you seem to be afraid of whoever he/she is. Have I stumbled across a Stalinist Russian enclave where the right to free speech and expression are forbidden?

Attacking Evans is a crime worthy of suffering a fate worse than death as far as ACF is concerned. His (I assume it's a he) love for Evans borders on the insane.

 

[L'arriviste]

Attacking Evans is a crime worthy of suffering a fate worse than death as far as ACF is concerned. His (I assume it's a he) love for Evans borders on the insane.

It's a she, I think, though not sure why I think that (it came up one time). Anyway, ACF can be reasonable and would probably be unhappy if (s)he thought that people were saying (s)he was incapable of debate. I actually find that (s)he is quite humble and open when approached correctly. And that's how I expect people on here to be.

EDIT - thanks Barrus. ACF is a bloke.

 

[Barrus]

To those of you who actually responded with a salient and reasoned argument...thank you and I apologise to you in adavance of what I am about to write here.

I am not sure who ACF is but most of you seem to be afraid of whoever he/she is. Have I stumbled across a Stalinist Russian enclave where the right to free speech and expression are forbidden?

I didn't say anything libellous nor insulting. I merely asked a question. It was not a statement of fact rather a way to find out what others thought...maybe that was my mistake. Better not say anything controversial or I will get my hand slapped and sent to bed with no supper.

If you don't like other peoples opinions then join a sequestered and speech ridden monastery. Not a public forum.

Any time I have posted something here or made a comment on anothers post I have been attacked by little gangs of elitist snobs who pretend to have had an illustrious amateur cycling career whilst being insanely jealous of anyone who has any real success or the money to spend on top notch equipment. I belong to a forum that deals in reality...its called the human race. You should try it sometime.

Oh by the way......to anyone on here who thinks its funny to belittle others because of there beliefs, clothes they wear or bikes they ride...thats called bullying which is born out of spineless cowardice.

The thing about ACF is mainly a joke, this is because ACF is probably the most vocal of the Evans fans on this board, and is likely to post alot in defense of his hero.

Also your thread title was very provocative and intended to be provocative, it would have been better to include your reason for creating the thread in this manner in the first post, instead of just posting a single sentence in there. If you would have included that story, probably people would have not viewed this thread as some backhanded way of attacking Evans

Also if the latter happens, especially concerning beliefs, please do report those posts, especially if they do constitute as bullying someone (making fun of the clothes thet wear or the bikes they ride, might just be in jest)

Anyway on-topic: Evans has been a GT contender for a long time now, I don't think anyone can argue against that, however until recently he did make way too many excuses for himself

EDIT: ACF is male, came up earlier this week

 

[L'arriviste]

I'll get this one back on-topic, or what I think the topic is actually supposed to be (in which case, it's been covered already during the Giro).

Evans is a very good rider whose palmarès doesn't really reflect his considerable presence in the peloton (whether in rainbow or not). I personally would like to see more of this year-round action and no TdF focus.

I honestly don't believe he can win the TdF: I think the time has passed. The other GTs maybe and I loved seeing him tearing it up in the Ardennes. That's the gutsy Evans that I prefer to watch.

 

[No_Balls]

It's a she, I think, though not sure why I think that (it came up one time). Anyway, ACF can be reasonable and would probably be unhappy if (s)he thought that people were saying (s)he was incapable of debate. I actually find that (s)he is quite humble and open when approached correctly. And that's how I expect people on here to be.

Yeah, wishing death to his (Cadels opponents) and those daring criticising him is as humble you can get. I recall he/she promised she/he would "stab" Andy Schleck when he reckoned Cadel as a small threat overall for the Tour de France.

ACF is a full-blooded sociopath and how he/she could be onboard this forum is beyond belief.

As for the question. There are probably none better then Cadel in classics and the worlds, he reminds a lot about Laurent Jalabert, but there is always "something" that rules him out in bigger stage races, wheter it is illoyal teammates, wheater, backpains et. al. He is coming of age so his chances is slimmer each year. But don´t count him out for the worlds and one-day races.

 

[Roland Rat]

I am not sure who ACF is but most of you seem to be afraid of whoever he/she is.

Not afraid, amused. This is going to be funnier than Cuddles' "rip your head off" hissy fit!

(ACF is a big baby with tantrums to fit, and claims to be male whereas we all know (s)he's a 14 year old girl.)

 

[L'arriviste]

Yeah, wishing death to his (Cadels opponents) and those daring criticising him is as humble you can get. I recall he/she promised she/he would "stab" Andy Schleck when he reckoned Cadel as a small threat overall for the Tour de France.

ACF is a full-blooded sociopath and how he/she could be onboard this forum is beyond belief.

Really? I've been strongly critical of Evans here and he's never bitten my head off. Perhaps he might be rather too quick to respond to baiting, but I don't bait him.

Anyway I think 2010 was the beginning of the Autumn of Evans. The leaves are turning for him, hence Schleck's appraisal. But he performs brilliantly when riding under the radar and he has a lot of stuff he could still do to deserve the ongoing adulation of ACF and others.

 

[No_Balls]

Really? I've been strongly critical of Evans here and he's never bitten my head off. Perhaps he might be rather too quick to respond to baiting, but I don't bait him.

Anyway I think 2010 was the beginning of the Autumn of Evans. The leaves are turning for him, hence Schleck's appraisal. But he performs brilliantly when riding under the radar and he has a lot of stuff he could still do to deserve the ongoing adulation of ACF and others.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8634&highlight=Cadel+threat

Read post #5 and see if there is anything "odd" about it.

 

[L'arriviste]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=8634&highlight=Cadel+threat

Read post #5 and see if there is anything "odd" about it.

Hahaha, yeah The second funniest thing is how nobody reacts to what he says.

I guess that sometimes when we say "I'll kill you!", ACF prefers "I'll stab you!".

Well, rather Schleck than me...

 

[ak-zaaf]

Hahaha, yeah The second funniest thing is how nobody reacts to what he says.

I guess that sometimes when we say "I'll kill you!", ACF prefers "I'll stab you!".

Well, rather Schleck than me...

He seems pretty normal to me....

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHH!!! Your flucking right! Cadel is going to fluck some **** up on morzine and then on the tourmalet this tour. Watch out you mother****er because Cadel "God" Evans is HERE!!!

 

[HL2037]

I've liked Cadel Evans since the Vuelta of 09. He had a flat on a very crucial time on a mountainside, and his service car was far away on the narrow mountain road. The neutral service did the slowest wheel change ever while all the other favourites were disappearing in the horizon. When finally Evans got his spare bike, he rode like no tomorrow, anybody who saw it will know that he is no quitter and certainly not a whining little boy.

A strange thing about him is that he seems to handle adversity much better than success for some reason.

I think it will be difficult for him to beat the skinny little climbers in a GT because of his body type. But I don't mind if he continues to try, it is inspiring to watch.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

And he caught Samuel Sánchez, who had already been dropped. And then Samu dropped him and put 30-40 seconds more into him.

Cadel is no quitter, but sometimes that's worked against him, where he's fought it out in the front group and blown spectacularly, rather than going his own pace and conserving energy; see how he was almost caught by Scarponi on Zoncolán, or how he was blown out the back door on the Mortirolo. Think of Menchov riding back to the group on Alpe d'Huez, or Valverde taking the hurt at the steepest parts of La Pandera then chasing his attackers down later, for the contrast.

Evans is too competitive for his own good sometimes; he expends unnecessary energy in races or at times in races he shouldn't sometimes, and if he's in a good place in the GC he will always fight for the win. This is to be commended - but sometimes it costs him dearly - the Dauphiné 2009 and subsequent Tour being the most obvious example.

 

[Hugh Januss]

To those of you who actually responded with a salient and reasoned argument...thank you and I apologise to you in adavance of what I am about to write here.

I am not sure who ACF is but most of you seem to be afraid of whoever he/she is. Have I stumbled across a Stalinist Russian enclave where the right to free speech and expression are forbidden?

I didn't say anything libellous nor insulting. I merely asked a question. It was not a statement of fact rather a way to find out what others thought...maybe that was my mistake. Better not say anything controversial or I will get my hand slapped and sent to bed with no supper.

If you don't like other peoples opinions then join a sequestered and speech ridden monastery. Not a public forum.

Any time I have posted something here or made a comment on anothers post I have been attacked by little gangs of elitist snobs who pretend to have had an illustrious amateur cycling career whilst being insanely jealous of anyone who has any real success or the money to spend on top notch equipment. I belong to a forum that deals in reality...its called the human race. You should try it sometime.

Oh by the way......to anyone on here who thinks its funny to belittle others because of there beliefs, clothes they wear or bikes they ride...thats called bullying which is born out of spineless cowardice.

I think I will do myself a favour and leave this place to be run by snivelling little civil servants diguised as cycling enthusiasts. There is nothing enthusiatic about berating from behind a keyboard and I loathe myself for doing so now...but I am left little or no choice.

What a sad existence you people have!

Well that reaction was entirely out of proportion to anything that anybody else wrote. Chip on your shoulder or what?
For what it's worth I'm pretty sure most people were kidding about ACF, which incidently stands for Auscyclefan94. He is the no. 1 Cadel fanboy on this forum, and odds are excellent that when he wakes up he'll come in like a ton of bricks when he sees your thread title, but scared of, ha, amused by would be a better choice of words.
I do love the supreme irony in your post, so you are saying that you are a spineless coward?

 

[erader]

Really? I've been strongly critical of Evans here and he's never bitten my head off. Perhaps he might be rather too quick to respond to baiting, but I don't bait him.

Anyway I think 2010 was the beginning of the Autumn of Evans. The leaves are turning for him, hence Schleck's appraisal. But he performs brilliantly when riding under the radar and he has a lot of stuff he could still do to deserve the ongoing adulation of ACF and others.

yes.

erader

 

[theyoungest]

To those of you who actually responded with a salient and reasoned argument...thank you and I apologise to you in adavance of what I am about to write here.

I am not sure who ACF is but most of you seem to be afraid of whoever he/she is. Have I stumbled across a Stalinist Russian enclave where the right to free speech and expression are forbidden?

I didn't say anything libellous nor insulting. I merely asked a question. It was not a statement of fact rather a way to find out what others thought...maybe that was my mistake. Better not say anything controversial or I will get my hand slapped and sent to bed with no supper.

If you don't like other peoples opinions then join a sequestered and speech ridden monastery. Not a public forum.

Any time I have posted something here or made a comment on anothers post I have been attacked by little gangs of elitist snobs who pretend to have had an illustrious amateur cycling career whilst being insanely jealous of anyone who has any real success or the money to spend on top notch equipment. I belong to a forum that deals in reality...its called the human race. You should try it sometime.

Oh by the way......to anyone on here who thinks its funny to belittle others because of there beliefs, clothes they wear or bikes they ride...thats called bullying which is born out of spineless cowardice.

I think I will do myself a favour and leave this place to be run by snivelling little civil servants diguised as cycling enthusiasts. There is nothing enthusiatic about berating from behind a keyboard and I loathe myself for doing so now...but I am left little or no choice.

What a sad existence you people have!

You're such a whining little girl.

 

[HL2037]

Evans is too competitive for his own good sometimes; he expends unnecessary energy in races or at times in races he shouldn't sometimes, and if he's in a good place in the GC he will always fight for the win. This is to be commended - but sometimes it costs him dearly - the Dauphiné 2009 and subsequent Tour being the most obvious example.

Well I never said he rode in a sensible way

You can like his style or not. But he is not without panache, and it makes the races more exciting when riders take risks. In my opinion.

 

[la.margna]

any questions?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

any questions?

Best GT stage I've ever seen. Hell one of the best races I've ever seen. Al Cadel needs now are some decent victory salutes; his WC salute was horrible

 

[jobiwan]

Best GT stage I've ever seen. Hell one of the best races I've ever seen. Al Cadel needs now are some decent victory salutes; his WC salute was horrible

What race was this?

 

[Angliru]

Attacking Evans is a crime worthy of suffering a fate worse than death as far as ACF is concerned. His (I assume it's a he) love for Evans borders on the insane.

When someone refers to the object of their idolatry as "delicious Cadel" you can anticipate major fireworks once he gets wind of this thread. It's all quite entertaining to me personally. He's (ACF) a fairly normal person as well as one can have an opinon of someone from their posts of course with the exception of matters concerning his immortal beloved. OP do a search for some of his posts and you will get hint of what we speak. No one is intimidated or fearful of ACF by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[El Pistolero]

I felt sorry for Cadel because his palmares wasn't impressive at all for someone who was a serious GT contender in the Post-Lance period. That changed of course after his world champion title, his win at La Flèche Wallone, winner of an impressive stage at the Giro and winner of the points classification.

When was the last time someone beat the crap out of Contador at an uphill section? I think before Cadel's victory at la flèche Wallone we'd have to go back to his bonk at Paris-Nice 2009. And if you ignore that than you'll have to go all the way back to the Giro of 2008. And we all know he wasn't prepared to race there. It's also pretty funny that almost all the stars of the 2008 Giro are now banned because of doping. It's like almost no one (of the big boys) was riding clean there... I'm not including the Dauphine by the way, because he wasn't aiming for the overall victory in both occasions. And he lost the Dauphine of 2010 in a time trial anyway...

 

[pmcg76]

I wouldnt say I have ever been anti or pro Cadel, yes he always seems to have an excuse when he doesnt perform well so I guess that constitutes whining. He was also a wheelsucker which I dont get upset about as some people do, however he deserves respect for his battling performances especially this past year.

I agree with the sentiment that he was a genuine GT contender but he has no chance of winning a Tour or even a Giro now, he could perhaps still win a Vuelta but aint gonna be this year so time is running out. 2008 was the year to win a GT for himself and he didnt do it and I dont think he can blame anyone else for that although he has tried.

The first thing I also thought of when I seen the thread title was ACF, his worshipping of Evans is just insane, I worry about people who are that obsessed with a sports figure. Sometimes, I thinks he posts with tongue fairly placed in cheek but then quite often I am not so sure. We love ACF really but it is worrying sometimes and very hard to resist baiting him.

 

[El Pistolero]

What race was this?

Stage 7 of the 2010 Giro. You'll find it on youtube.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

What race was this?

Giro, I think stage 7 no sure about that though