Cadel Evans: Yay or Nay on EPO

[86TDFWinner]

I've asked before and got mixed posts. Some claim he was clean, others say he was doping, any proof either way?

 

[Red Rick]

He was a Tour winning rider that already got top 10s in the Armstrong era if that helps.

Wasn't he also a Ferrari client?

 

[86TDFWinner]

He was a Tour winning rider that already got top 10s in the Armstrong era if that helps.

Wasn't he also a Ferrari client?

I'm pretty sure he was, even though he claims he wasn't. But if he's like Wonderboy(LA), he could be fibbing.

 

[Mayomaniac]

He was a Tour winning rider that already got top 10s in the Armstrong era if that helps.

Wasn't he also a Ferrari client?

There was even a post about meeting him early on during his career on Ferrari's website/blog, if I remember correctly.

 

[Netserk]

Evans and his meeting with Ferrari?

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/40401/doping-never-discussed-with-ferrari-says-evans Anthony Tan, you banned me from twitter when I called you out on wilful ignorance of doping. And you are now jumping on a bandwagon, like Klaus Muller. What a joke. Linda Pierce the cycling beat...

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Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

So says Tyler Hamilton, here. Probably few in the peloton know more about who's dirty, who's clean, and what's what in pro cycling, than Tyler Hamilton. TH is naming names and kicking behinds, and he says Cadel is clean. What do you say? Is there a clean champion, and is it Cadel Evans?

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[Invicituz]

Evans and his meeting with Ferrari?

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/news/40401/doping-never-discussed-with-ferrari-says-evans Anthony Tan, you banned me from twitter when I called you out on wilful ignorance of doping. And you are now jumping on a bandwagon, like Klaus Muller. What a joke. Linda Pierce the cycling beat...

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Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

So says Tyler Hamilton, here. Probably few in the peloton know more about who's dirty, who's clean, and what's what in pro cycling, than Tyler Hamilton. TH is naming names and kicking behinds, and he says Cadel is clean. What do you say? Is there a clean champion, and is it Cadel Evans?

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The link in the thread, Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion, has expired, "Page not found."

This news article appeared in The Sydney Morning Herald on October 14, 2012;

Cadel Evans a true champion, says Hamilton: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cadel-evans-a-true-champion-says-hamilton-20121014-27kmd.html

"I think you have to question some of the results of the past (but) I don't think you have to question Cadel Evans' result from last year's Tour de France."

"From what I've heard about Cadel Evans, he's a true champion."

"He's always been a big anti-doping advocate."

"I can't say anything negative about Cadel Evans. I've a lot of respect for Cadel Evans."

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Evans always seemed to me like a clean champion. He wasn't superhuman and had his limits but was able to win some big races. Obviously it's just an impression, nothing more. The fact that he looked human could mean that some were just better and likely no TdF champion has been clean since...I don't know, maybe since the beginning (travels by train as the first method of doping )

 

[hulkgogan]

This is gossip and hearsay as well as ancient history so take with a huge grain of salt but a friend of mine was a minor pro mountain biker and happened to be in the same car as Cadel when he was at Sea Otter circa 1998 and said Cadel was pretty loose with the doping talk. My friend was fairly naïve and came away quite disillusioned and quit riding as a pro not long after that.

Not sure why Cadel has always had a clean reputation? Because he was a diesel?

 

[Mayomaniac]

Here's a link to Ferrari's version of their meeting in 2000, Rominger was the "connector" who set it up:
https://www.53x12.com/tdf-2011---part-ii

 

[topt]

was a big fan, thought he was clean back in the days

 

[movingtarget]

Think he just did some testing with Ferrari. Don't think he was a long term client. If he was clean I can see why he so pissed off after losing grand tours especially the ones he was in a good position to win. He seems to have lightened up a lot since he retired if recent interviews are anything to go by. His comments about Armstrong were not very helpful but he wasn't the only person in that category. Like Sastre he won his grand tour just in time before age started to effect his performances.

 

[Rackham]

He seems to have lightened up a lot since he retired if recent interviews are anything to go by.

That's good to hear because my own takeaway regarding Cadel Evans was the fact he was a highly prickly champion who could totally lose his mind for xyz reasons:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FikzgWE3t0A

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fe79ZuDKfk


lol etc.

 

[movingtarget]

The don't touch me episode was simply because he had had a bad fall and his shoulder was painful. Maybe some people didn't know that at the time or forgot.

 

[Rackham]

The don't touch me episode was simply because he had had a bad fall and his shoulder was painful. Maybe some people didn't know that at the time or forgot.

I think you're doing the Cadel Evans folklore a disservice by handwaving one of his most famous little outbursts, i.e. plenty of riders have been hurt, plenty have been knocked or touched, most don't go full rage.

It's just the way he was. No point denying it.

 

[movingtarget]

I think you're doing the Cadel Evans folklore a disservice by handwaving one of his most famous little outbursts, i.e. plenty of riders have been hurt, plenty have been knocked or touched, most don't go full rage.

It's just the way he was. No point denying it.

As with most folklore its a mixture of truth and myth...........

 

[Bronstein]

Apparently:

"Cadel used to brag he was the only Australian with a Ferrari engine"

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[Ripper]

Here's a link to Ferrari's version of their meeting in 2000, Rominger was the "connector" who set it up:
https://www.53x12.com/tdf-2011---part-ii

The best part of that article is the tactical suicide of Tommy V!

 

[Mayomaniac]

The best part of that article is the tactical suicide of Tommy V!

Ferrari's articles about the gts and the spring classics were always nice to read, it's almost a shame that he stopped after 2016

 

[Cookster15]

Evans meeting with Ferrari is always brought up by his detractors. But Ferrari wasn’t simply an expert in blood doping methods. He was arguably the most knowledgeable doctor in the sport back then. And the way Evans rode through his career backs this up. best results came when I think doping was at an ebb for factors such as the ABP. Like 2008 and 2011.

The 2007 TdF was a good demonstration when an athlete with superior aerobic capacity attempts to hang with dopers. They initially can respond then pop and lose 2 minutes in 5km (stage 14 to PdB). Countless other examples.

And as has been pointed out Evans was a quirky and sometimes prickly character when doing his job under pressure. That’s not unusual in any profession. A close relative of mine met Evans personally at the London Olympics and said he was the most down to earth and generous of his time of any he met there. This stuff is completely irrelevant to whether he doped or not so why even bring it up.

Having said this Evans may have doped but you are all going to have to come up with better then his Ferrari meeting which was before he had even decided to switch to the road.

 

[Ricco']

Regarding Evans personality, I think there is a significant change (for the better) after his wins at Worlds and the TDF.

I always found him annoying and one of the guys I didn't cherished on around 2006/07/08 due to his demeanor and behavior on and off the bike during races but that changed a lot in the last years of his career.

 

[Red Rick]

I find the notion that in a population with blood doping a clean rider can get 2nd in an event like the Tour de France completely hilarious.

I think it was Rasmussen who admitted how much PEDs he was on in the 2007 Tour. You don't get near that without some rocket fuel of your own.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Lol, a 174cm 67kg guy podiuming grand tours and winning world champships in the dirtiest years of the sport. This thread is a joke

 

[roundabout]

Lol, a 174cm 67kg guy podiuming grand tours and winning world champships in the dirtiest years of the sport. This thread is a joke

I don't understand why you pointed out his height/weight

 

[SafeBet]

I don't understand why you pointed out his height/weight

Not as lean as most other GT contenders in those years?

 

[roundabout]

Not as lean as most other GT contenders in those years?

I still don't understand it. If he was taller. but at the same weight, it would have meant what? Or if he was say 62 kg at the same height?

Lighter riders than Evans have been known to dope, heavier riders than Evans have also been known to dope.