Can we have a list of people we think the FDA should question

[Cervelo77]

Another point: I don't think much will come of this unless they uncover some physical evidence. This would include names (or codes -- we've seen that is valid) corresponding to a doping or blood treatment schedule. If this is just a he said, she said, nothing will come of it, other than perhaps culture changes within USA cycling (although that is very optimistic).

 

[tubularglue]

Chris Carmichael
Kristin Armstrong
Dave Zabriskie
George Hincapie
Jonathan Vaughters
Tyler Hamilton
Sheryl Crow
Duffy the drug mule
Christian "no gluten is my secret" Vandevelde
Kevin Livingston
Jim Ochowicz
Catlin
Bruyneel
Dirk Demol
Sean Yates
Chann Mcrae
Viatcheslav Ekimov
Jason McCartney
Matt White
Tom Danielson
Ryder Hesjedal
Michael Barry
Jamie Burrow
Michael Creed
Antonio Cruz
Damon Kluck
Kenny Labbé
Robbie Ventura
Heiden
Levi
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer
Richard the Soigneur
Liz Kreutz (personal photographer that went to races, training camps, Hawaii, etc. with him)
Peter Park (personal trainer)
Andy Rihs
LeLangue
Axel Merckx
Ryszard the Soigneur Kielpinski
Geert Duffelaar
John Korioth
Derek Russey
Dave Bolch
Marty Jemison
Dr Allen Lim
Anne Gripper
Bob Roll
Sylvia Schenk
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
David Clinger
Alberto and Fran Contador
Eddy Merckx
Max Testa
Dr. Damsgaard
Dr. Jakob Morkeberg
Cedric Vasseur
Steve Bauer
Roberto Heras
Freddy Viaene
Pat McQuaid
Dr. Prentice Steffen
Hein Verbruggen
D.i.c.k Pound
Jean-Etienne Amaury
Ryder Hesjedal
Michael Barry

 

[blackcat]

see most recent post on the final page, for the updated list

 

[tubularglue]

thanks for reorganization.

still have more.....

 

[blackcat]

see the updated list on the final page

 

[blackcat]

thanks for reorganization.

still have more.....

the final list is on the last page

 

[tubularglue]

Tom Weisel
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
Jim Ochowicz
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer

Johan Bruyneel
Dirk Demol
Sean Yates

Dr. Michele Ferrari
Chris Carmichael
Dr. Max Testa
Dr Allen Lim

Dr. Prentice Steffen

Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton
Frankie Andreu
Jonathan Vaughters
Kevin Livingston
Marty Jemison
Dave Zabriskie
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Roberto Heras
Christian Vandevelde
Robbie Ventura (also Landis' coach)
Cedric Vasseur (also UCI Riders' Association President)
Chann Mcrae
Viatcheslav Ekimov (director)
Jason McCartney
Matt White (director)
Tom Danielson
Ryder Hesjedal
Michael Barry
Jamie Burrow
Michael Creed
Antonio Cruz
David Clinger
Steve Bauer
Axel Merkx (director youth)
Benoit Joachim

Dr. Don Caitlin
Dr. Rasmus Damsgaard
Dr. Jakob Morkeberg

Shelley Verses (soigneur)
Freddy Viaene (soigneur yet real specialty is dexterity w/ hypodermics)
Ryszard Kielpinski (soigneur)
Richard (soigneur) *is this the same guy?
Duffy (drug mule)
Fran Contador

Kristin Armstrong
Sheryl Crow
Lisa Shields
Anna Hansen
Stephanie McIlvain
Betsy Andreu
Linda Armstrong

Liz Kreutz (personal photographer)
Peter Park (personal trainer)

Anne Gripper
Sylvia Schenk

Pat McQuaid
Hein Verbruggen
D!ck Pound
Jean-Etienne Amaury
Jean Marie Leblanc
Christian Prudhomme
Emile Vrijman

David Walsh
Pierre Ballester
Damien Ressiot

Greg Lemond

Andy Rihs
John LeLangue

Paul Sherwen (also former Motorola communications officer)
Bob Roll

Eddy Merckx (introduction to Ferrari)

require categorization
Damon Kluck
Kenny Labbé
Heiden
Geert Duffelaar
John Korioth
Derek Russey
Dave Bolch

 

[Creatine Bob]

Well, it seems like almost anyone who even chatted with Armstrong is on this list. It seems a little unlikely that they all need to be questioned and unlikely that all of them will be.

Why is Liz Kreutz on the list? She's a photographer hired by Armstrong ... do folks really think she would know of anything?

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Damon Kluck - USPS rider
Kenny Labbé - USPS rider
Heiden - Motorola/USPS team Doctor (at times), now team Doc for BMC
Geert Duffelaar - "Duffy" in Landis letter. File under Johan, still working at TR.
John Korioth - Under Johan on USPS
Derek Russey - Same
Dave Bolch - Same

 

[blackcat]

see most recent post on final page for the updated list

 

[tubularglue]

Tom Weisel
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
Jim Ochowicz
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer

Johan Bruyneel
Dirk Demol
Sean Yates

Dr. Michele Ferrari
Chris Carmichael
Dr. Max Testa
Dr Allen Lim

Dr. Prentice Steffen

Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton
Frankie Andreu
Jonathan Vaughters
Kevin Livingston
Marty Jemison
Dave Zabriskie
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Roberto Heras
Christian Vandevelde
Robbie Ventura (also Landis' coach)*
Cedric Vasseur (also UCI Riders' Association President)
Chann Mcrae
Viatcheslav Ekimov (director)
Jason McCartney
Matt White (director)
Tom Danielson
Ryder Hesjedal
Michael Barry
Jamie Burrow
Michael Creed
Antonio Cruz
David Clinger
Steve Bauer
Axel Merkx (director youth)
Benoit Joachim
Dylan Casey
Víctor Hugo Peña
Tom Boonen

Dr. Don Caitlin
Dr. Rasmus Damsgaard
Dr. Jakob Morkeberg

Shelley Verses (soigneur)
Freddy Viaene (soigneur yet real specialty is dexterity w/ hypodermics)
Ryszard Kielpinski (soigneur)
Richard (soigneur) *is this the same guy?
Duffy (drug mule)
Fran Contador

Kristin Armstrong
Sheryl Crow
Lisa Shields
Anna Hansen
Stephanie McIlvain
Betsy Andreu
Linda Armstrong

Liz Kreutz (personal photographer)
Peter Park (personal trainer)

Anne Gripper
Sylvia Schenk

Pat McQuaid
Hein Verbruggen
D!ck Pound
Jean-Etienne Amaury
Jean Marie Leblanc
Christian Prudhomme
Emile Vrijman

David Walsh
Pierre Ballester
Damien Ressiot

Greg Lemond

Andy Rihs
John LeLangue

Paul Sherwen (also former Motorola communications officer)
Bob Roll (beech mtn)
Phil Liggett

Eddy Merckx (introduction to Ferrari)

require categorization
Damon Kluck
Kenny Labbé
Heiden
Geert Duffelaar
John Korioth
Derek Russey
Dave Bolch

 

[131313]

I think it may be more worthwhile to speak with Mike Fraysse than to speak with me...

 

[blackcat]

see most recent post on page 8, for the updated list

 

[blackcat]

?

who did you add TG, cos I recategorized those nuffnuffs at the bottom, and added in Horner, and perhaps I added in others.

Can you switch your adds into my most recent edit. (please/cheers, since this is your OP, but dont want to lose a relevant name)

 

[blackcat]

I think it may be more worthwhile to speak with Mike Fraysse than to speak with me...

who is he, and where would he be categorized 13?

edit, ok a Cycling Fed head. tack

 

[tubularglue]

will do. I'll keep in your format.

we are going to run out of characters/space soon.

 

[tubularglue]

I think it may be more worthwhile to speak with Mike Fraysse than to speak with me...

been around the block, eh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Fraysse

"Fraysse owned Park Cycle in Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, for 30 years, and runs a private training facility for élite and recreational athletes in Glen Spey, New York. Fraysse said: "I had a dream to do my own training center so I didn't have the restrictions of the Olympic Committee of the Fed (cycling federation) and do it the way I thought it should be done. I looked all over the country, wherever I went on a trip, I looked.""

 

[Kungfu Supercomputer]

Benoit Joachim

..........

 

[blackcat]

see most recent post on the final page for the updated list

 

[blackcat]

will do. I'll keep in your format.

we are going to run out of characters/space soon.

was it only Liggett you added?

cos my most recent added him and Fraysee

 

[tubularglue]

..........

Police search during Tour of Luxembourg

Judicial authorities in Luxembourg carried out their own version of the Italian "razzia" yesterday, searching team hotels after the second stage. No details was given as to what was found, however it was learned that the room of US Postal's Benoit Joachim was searched.

There is currently an inquiry in Luxembourg into an affair involving the importation and concealment of medical products, after a 25 year old policeman was placed in custody on June 8 when anabolics and respiratory drugs were found in his home. The policeman was a former amateur cyclist, and had good contacts with the Luxembourg professionals including Luxembourg champion Benoit Joachim.

After riding in the Tour de France last year, Joachim was involved in a nandrolone doping affair, which saw him sacked and later reinstated into the US Postal team. In late November last year, the Luxembourg Cycling Federation claimed that the large time discrepancy (3 months) between taking the samples and analysing them meant that they couldn't say that Joachim was definitely positive.

-how convenient

 

[blackcat]

Tom Weisel
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
Jim Ochowicz
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer

Johan Bruyneel
Dirk Demol
Sean Yates

Dr. Michele Ferrari
Chris Carmichael
Dr. Max Testa
Dr. Allen Lim
Dr. Eric Heiden

Dr. Prentice Steffen

Floyd Landis*
Tyler Hamilton*
Frankie Andreu*
Jonathan Vaughters
Kevin Livingston
Marty Jemison
Dave Zabriskie
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer*
Roberto Heras*
Viatcheslav Ekimov (director)
Christian Vandevelde
Chris Horner
Robbie Ventura (also Landis' coach)
Cedric Vasseur (also UCI Riders' Association President)
Chann Mcrae
Jason McCartney
Matt White (director)
Tom Danielson
Ryder Hesjedal
Michael Barry
Benoit Joachim*
Gianpaolo Mondini*
David Clinger*
Axel Merkx (director espoirs, former Motorola, Ferrari disciple, and Tour top 10)
Jamie Burrow
Michael Creed
Antonio Cruz
Steve Bauer
Damon Kluck
Kenny Labbé
Dylan Casey
Víctor Hugo Peña
Tom Boonen*

Dr. Don Caitlin
Dr. Rasmus Damsgaard
Dr. Jakob Morkeberg
Professor Werner Franke
Scott

Shelley Verses (soigneur)
Freddy Viaene (soigneur yet real specialty is dexterity w/ hypodermics)
Ryszard Kielpinski (soigneur)
Duffy (drug mule)
Fran Contador

Kristin Armstrong
Sheryl Crow
Lisa Shields
Anna Hansen
Stephanie McIlvain
Betsy Andreu
Linda Armstrong

Michael Anderson (mechanic)

John Korioth
Dave Bolch
Derek Russey

Geert Duffelaar (RadioShack adminstration)

Liz Kreutz (personal photographer)
Peter Park (personal trainer)

Anne Gripper
Sylvia Schenk

Pat McQuaid
Hein Verbruggen
D!ck Pound
Jean-Etienne Amaury
Jean Marie Leblanc
Christian Prudhomme
Emile Vrijman
Mike Fraysse

David Walsh
Pierre Ballester
Damien Ressiot

Greg Lemond

Andy Rihs
John LeLangue

Paul Sherwen (also former Motorola communications officer)
Bob Roll (Beech Mountain)
Phil Liggett

Eddy Merckx (introduction to Ferrari)*

*indicates riders have had unofficial or official positive sample to PED or recreational

 

[blackcat]

I am gonna go ahead and delete a number of my posts in this thread, so it will not be so unwieldy

 

[tubularglue]

was it only Liggett you added?

cos my most recent added him and Fraysee

I'll stay out of the adding, and just post names for you to list. better that you keep the list organized.

thanks............

 

[theswordsman]

Well, it seems like almost anyone who even chatted with Armstrong is on this list. It seems a little unlikely that they all need to be questioned and unlikely that all of them will be.

Why is Liz Kreutz on the list? She's a photographer hired by Armstrong ... do folks really think she would know of anything?

I added her. She went with him everywhere - Tour Down Under, Hawaii, Milan Sanremo, California, etc. She flew on his private jet, cut his hair, took photos of everything at home, at training camps, in his hotel room or rental home, etc. She even took a photo of him in the bathroom for a doping test, which is against the rules. She had more access than anyone last year, and yes, I believe that matters.

The fun thing is that no whitewashing or spin inside the forum will have any influence on the outcome of the investigation. And there will never be a day when there's less information than before, or fewer witnesses, or less evidence. So the chances that any amount of talk will take someone who today believes Lance cheated and turn him into a doubter are very slim. But if other teammates come out and say they doped with Armstrong, or his wife talks about what she knows, or they start retesting samples, lots of people who believe in him now will slide the other way. If there are any professionals here, enjoy the money because you're wasting your time.