Cancellara

[the sceptic]

Why are you assuming he did?

I dont think a doped up Cancellara would lose in the ITT to Chris Froome so i assume he must have stopped in 2012 or maybe earlier as hrotha said. its very confusing

 

[Hematide]

Cancellara Denies Fuentes Ties

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/cancellara-denies-fuentes-ties_274314

DOHA (VN) — Fabian Cancellara (RadioShack-Leopard) denied alleged links to Eufemiano Fuentes, the doctor at the center of Operación Puerto, on Friday. On Thursday, rumors spread after a Tyler Hamilton interview that he was “Luigi” in Fuentes’ list of code names.

“No,” Cancellara said when asked if he ever visited Fuentes.

Cancellara spoke to a small group of journalists as he pinned on his number before stage 6 of the Tour of Qatar on Friday. He explained that it is better not to go into the details and make bigger stories when asked if he would say to the critics, “I’m clean.”

“To go into the details will make bigger stories, because then there’s more and more and it starts the avalanche. It affects me, it affects the team, it affects the sponsors,” said Cancellara. “I heard from Tim [Vanderjeugd] our press officer yesterday. He said, ‘Hey, it’s just a weird world now.’”

The world of cycling is busy cleaning house. Since 1998, the Festina Affair, Operación Puerto, Armstrong and other doping cases and accusations have filled the headlines.

In May 2011, Tyler Hamilton publicly admitted to doping and helped the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency in its investigation that finally proved Armstrong guilty of years of doping.

Hamilton has spoken out about doping since, including giving an interview this week to Cyclingnews.com. In that interview, he recalled a story from the 2008 Amgen Tour of California, where his Rock Racing teammates intimidated a rider for making comments about them and their links to Puerto. They called him “Luigi,” his alleged Fuentes code name.

Cancellara criticized Hamilton and his teammates ahead of that Amgen Tour. Overnight, the online world erupted with allegations, linking Cancellara to “Luigi” and to Fuentes.

“No. No,” Cancellara said when asked if Hamilton and his Rock Racing teammates intimidated him.

He explained that the incident did not happen.

“It sounds like the people who’ve doped or done something are now saying, ‘we are going against this one. This one never had something,’” said Cancellara. “I see this on Twitter. On the other hand, I don’t care because I know my direction and I stand up for the right things in this sport. That’s why I’m saying that we ware going to have better possibilities. But, when we always do the same, we are not going to go forward.”

Cancellara said that he tries to remain “unaffected,” despite his name being mentioned.

“Somehow it affects me, but just because it makes me angry that something like that came out. That bothers me the most,” said Cancellara. “There’s so many names. It’s like with Alberto [Contador], they say AC is Alberto Contador. [Prosecutors cleared Contador of involvement in the case. –Ed.] In the end, it’s definitely not my problem.”

The Puerto trial started in late January in Madrid. As of now, the judge has blocked Fuentes from naming his clients, who Fuentes said includes athletes from cycling, soccer, tennis, and boxing. The World Anti-Doping Agency is urging Spain to push Fuentes for the names.

Unlike other cyclists who close their doors with a “no comment” to journalists, Cancellara freely gave his time as he prepared for the Qatar stage. He explained that people might connect “Luigi” to him via his former trainer, Luigi Cecchini. Like Michele Ferrari, Cecchini trained under the godfather of EPO doping, Francesco Conconni.

He met Cecchini in his years with team Saxo Bank, but said that the information exchange was about “performance, not doping performance.”

 

[Caruut]

I dont think a doped up Cancellara would lose in the ITT to Chris Froome so i assume he must have stopped in 2012 or maybe earlier as hrotha said. its very confusing

Cancellara has always had bad recovery. Besides, "dope" is not one thing - one rider could be far more drugged up than another and thus have their performance enhanced more. Both would still be on drugs, though.

 

[airstream]

No one stopped at all I think. Remember, Contador won the stage. Ullrich grabbed Tour de Swiss, Mancebo resultatively tested transfusions at the Dauphine. Were they clean? IMO the peloton knew there was a half of them in Fuentes list and no one would be able to kick away 100-120 guys from cycling for 2 years. So there was no reason to change anything. Doping is overwelming. It is in riders' blood figuratively speaking; something that no one is agree to turn down. And they will continue to assert their right to dope, though naturally it is impossible to declare. A few years ago I believed in changes, now I don't, because riders including young generation are fanatically for doping.

 

[Froome19]

lol, very true, but I can't figure out who the Starks are and who are the Lannisters.

UCI = Lannisters
The good and righteous people on this forum = Starks

 

[Carols]

lance is cersei.

Dave.

rotflmao!!!!!

 

[Carols]

UCI = Lannisters

Good One

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Cancellara Denies Fuentes Ties





http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/cancellara-denies-fuentes-ties_274314

Cancellara said that he tries to remain “unaffected,” despite his name being mentioned.

“Somehow it affects me, but just because it makes me angry that something like that came out. That bothers me the most,” said Cancellara. “There’s so many names. It’s like with Alberto [Contador], they say AC is Alberto Contador. [Prosecutors cleared Contador of involvement in the case. –Ed.] In the end, it’s definitely not my problem.”

Great defense there, Cancellara.

 

[airstream]

Yes, on this problem he made millions but now it is not his problem!

 

[hrotha]

Great defense there, Cancellara.

I disagree. Assuming the incident did happen (and why would Hamilton lie?), Cancellara should have admitted it, and then said they got the wrong guy. Instead, he said Hamilton made the whole thing up. There are witnesses. Probably Michael Creed, for one.

IMO Cancellara has left himself wide open for a counterattack that could be his undoing.

 

[coinneach]

I'm still clinging to the vague possibility that Fab might be clean....
OK, he gets called names by convicted dopers in California.

They might have got that wrong or just been doing it to get at him?

No doubt, other posters and events in the next few days will prove me wrong

Until then

I'm still clinging!!!!!!!!
Thanks for speaking up, anyway, Spartacus.....easy to pick holes in what you said, but remember this is before the start of a stage race when he'd rather be concentrating on other things.
He comes over as such a nice bloke as well: I can't bear the thought

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

I disagree. Assuming the incident did happen (and why would Hamilton lie?), Cancellara should have admitted it, and then said they got the wrong guy. Instead, he said Hamilton made the whole thing up. There are witnesses. Probably Michael Creed, for one.

IMO Cancellara has left himself wide open for a counterattack that could be his undoing.

Yeah, I wasn't serious. The "there are so many names" defense didn't exactly help his argument, either.

 

[JimmyFingers]

He comes over as such a nice bloke as well: I can't bear the thought

So was Ned Stark

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Please, starting to work with Cecchini at CSC? Please, the Ferretti link is too obvious in this one Spartacus.

Nevertheless 'some' proof would come in handy about the incident. Hamilton could better name the name.

 

[rhubroma]

Well at Tour of Cali he certainly shouldn't have complained.

These guys seal their own fates. Is it lack of intelligence? Too much spinning?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Well at Tour of Cali he certainly shouldn't have complained.

These guys seal their own fates. Is it lack of intelligence? Too much spinning?

The lies catches up with these guys. Years of lies. Who, where, what, when etc.

 

[Haynzie]

I've always been a Cancellara fan, but it is interesting, isn't it, how we grant the benefit of the doubt to those who appeal to us, and are quick to condemn those who don't.

Cancellara may well be a former client of Fuentes. If we assume for a moment that he was, do we agree that he took the p1$$ out of everyone (including us) every bit as much as Ricco did in the 2008 TdF?

Feels weird saying that, but it is a compelling point. I'd apply the same argument to Contador. The man is an unrepentant convicted doper, and yet his return to top level racing is met with barely a raised eyebrow. Not so Ricco's return in 2010. Ricco seemed to be a pretty unappealing fellow. Was that his biggest mistake?

 

[Buffalo]

Remember when he did not do the 2008 worlds because he was afraid of getting popped for cera? Or was he really just suffering from "mental fatigue". If there were ever a year he could have won the RR or even taken the double it was 2008. But we are supposed to believe he just wasn't pysched up enough for it. **** you luigi.

 

[airstream]

Contador and Ricco are incomparable as business projects. Money is the only reason why only a very starry rider can go back to the peloton without significant damage. Cobra simply didnot get lucky having been popped that early.

 

[rhubroma]

Contador and Ricco are incomparable as business projects. Money is the only reason why only a very starry rider can go back to the peloton without significant damage. Cobra simply didnot get lucky having been popped that early.

He got popped because he's the perfect candidate for washing the hands of bloody sacrifice. Like Pantani. Though I've understood why Spanish riders are quite above as business projects.

Not that he didn't deserve to get popped, but can we really appalud the politics of it all? Reale Madrid anyone?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Contador and Ricco are incomparable as business projects. Money is the only reason why only a very starry rider can go back to the peloton without significant damage. Cobra simply didnot get lucky having been popped that early.

nah, quite a few dopers who aren't good "business objects" have returned to the peloton.

Instead Ricco was seen as a loose cannon, a risk to cycling. He couldn't be controlled by Hein and his cronies. He was a business liability rather than opportunity. He needed to be removed permanently.

 

[rhubroma]

nah, quite a few dopers who aren't good "business objects" have returned to the peloton.

Instead Ricco was seen as a loose cannon, a risk to cycling. He couldn't be controlled by Hein and his cronies. He was a business liability rather than opportunity. He needed to be removed permanently.

You articulate better what I said above.

 

[The Sheep]

UCI = Lannisters
The good and righteous people on this forum = Starks

Starks tend to be naive though.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

nah, quite a few dopers who aren't good "business objects" have returned to the peloton.

Instead Ricco was seen as a loose cannon, a risk to cycling. He couldn't be controlled by Hein and his cronies. He was a business liability rather than opportunity. He needed to be removed permanently.

Hein loves his gambling. Capo di capi.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Hein loves his gambling. Capo di capi.

well, betting on Ricco not getting popped needed odds 100000.