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[marinoni]

I agree. McEwen was such a pleasure to watch. Too bad he is at the end of his career.

Yeah, McEwan has a toughness that Cav just can't touch. And sure Cav is a jerk, but god bless him, he is entertaining.

 

[cycledp]

I love Robbie McEwen. I didn't mean to say McEwen whines about his age. I don't think he he ever has to my knowledge. He's career will come to a close soon, however. It's an unfortunate fact. I always like watching McEwen, but he was plagued with injuries last year, and he's not getting any younger. Regarding Vino, I'm guessing he wasn't whining about age when he was doping.

wait, wait..

did robbie at 37 EVER mouthed his age like armstrong to explain his lack of wins ? please confirm.

did other 37-38 year olds in the peloton EVER mouthed their age as often as armstrong in his tweets ?

jens is as old as texas and yet he dropped a bunch of riders this year (almost half his age) to accrue some remarkable victories !

vino is 37 and kicking. not a peep about being old.

why is that the old age whining is acceptable for the only rider who never seemed to whine before ?

 

[Lyds97]

Bob Stapleton tries to defuse tension between Cavendish and Greipel.

 

[Jonathan]

Bob Stapleton tries to defuse tension between Cavendish and Greipel.

"...it really doesn't make sense for us to put two top sprinters in the same races. In most cases they have multiple races to do and we want multiple wins, so it makes sense that they follow different programmes."

Is this true? I don't recall Milram making a similar argument when they had Petacchi and Zabel in the same team. Having Greipel and Cavendish ride the same race should increase the chance of winning that race, so it should be an option when they really want to win.

 

[Jamsque]

"...it really doesn't make sense for us to put two top sprinters in the same races. In most cases they have multiple races to do and we want multiple wins, so it makes sense that they follow different programmes."

Is this true? I don't recall Milram making a similar argument when they had Petacchi and Zabel in the same team. Having Greipel and Cavendish ride the same race should increase the chance of winning that race, so it should be an option when they really want to win.

Well, it's a case of balance, especially for the grand tours. If you put two top sprinters on your roster that means you have to be protecting both of them for the whole race, and you can't use that spot on a domestique to chase down breaks or a climber or whatever.

How many wins did the Petacchi/Zabel pairing get anyway?

 

[joe_papp]

...Regarding Vino, I'm guessing he wasn't whining about age when he was doping.

And he doesn't seem to be whining now, either - right?

 

[Beech Mtn]

"...it really doesn't make sense for us to put two top sprinters in the same races. In most cases they have multiple races to do and we want multiple wins, so it makes sense that they follow different programmes."

Is this true? I don't recall Milram making a similar argument when they had Petacchi and Zabel in the same team. Having Greipel and Cavendish ride the same race should increase the chance of winning that race, so it should be an option when they really want to win.

Having Greipel and Cavendish in the same race isn't going to work as long as the two hate each other's guts and would spend the whole race wasting energy fighting and sniping. It seems plain that the team management isn't going to be able to have these guys work together in harmony. Best is for Greipel to get on a different team since HTC is the Cav show.

 

[Lifeshape]

Cav may win on the bike but he's a loser off the bike. He needs to make a followup dental appointment and get his mouth wired shut.

 

[Boardslide]

Seeing as Greipel has been telling the German press for months he wants to stay at HTC and be the #1 sprinter and Cav should leave , is it any wonder shortly after a long hard race (Flanders) when a journalist baites him with questions along the lines of " how do you feel about Greipel's suggestion that he should have been chosen for MSR instead of you" he loses his cool. Just what the journalist was looking for I think. They know he'll always bite.

 

[ferryman]

And another 2 wins for Greipel in a sh**y race that does not count for anything. Apart from everyone involved from sponsors, organisers, tv, poor joe on the street watching a sh**y race. Eat cake folks. King Cav shall dictate. Or that is that just what you will be told by the English fanboys?

 

[Boardslide]

February 03, 2010 "Greipel hopes Cavendish moves to Sky, wants top billing in HTC Columbia"
His comments are unlikely to endear himself to HTC Columbia owner Bob Stapleton, but German sprinter André Greipel has admitted that he personally hopes Mark Cavendish moves to Team Sky for 2011.

“It would be the most favourable solution for everyone,” he said, according to Sportal.de. “Obviously I would love to see myself as Team Columbia’s number one sprinter.”

Oh yeh 2 Great wins in a field of young & up coming riders and lower teams. Surely a race more suited to young riders like Tejay who are there to gain experience and first wins at the start of their careers.

 

[Anonymous]

Jesus I hate this forum sometimes.

Cav may win on the bike but he's a loser off the bike. He needs to make a followup dental appointment and get his mouth wired shut.

So you know Cav personally then, to say he's a loser off the bike? Ask Jonny Bellis whether Cav's a loser.

And another 2 wins for Greipel in a sh**y race that does not count for anything. Apart from everyone involved from sponsors, organisers, tv, poor joe on the street watching a sh**y race. Eat cake folks. King Cav shall dictate. Or that is that just what you will be told by the English fanboys?

Now you are just being obtuse. We've explained why Cav was not calling the races "shi**y" but you're obviously not willing to listen.

And can we stop with the "I hate everyone and everything and want to complain all the time and any foreigner who disagrees with me is a fanboy" bullcrap?

Finally, so it's OK for Greipel to shoot his mouth off about MSR, Cav sould leave etc etc but as soon as Cav responds he gets slaughtered?

 

[BroDeal]

Finally, so it's OK for Greipel to shoot his mouth off about MSR, Cav sould leave etc etc but as soon as Cav responds he gets slaughtered?

The difference is that Greipel had a valid point about MSR. Cavendouche did not. Greipel was in good form and was winning races. Cavendouche in a recent interview said he was coming into form, thus admitting that he was not in form for MSR. The team should have sent Greipel; or better yet, Stapelton should have slapped some sense into Cav then sent both. Cavendouche could have then missed out on the win because of "bad luck" and Greipel would have had his chance to get dropped before the finale.

 

[python]

i dont care one way or the other but according to the communication by a rider on one of the protour teams the conflict started after the 2008 giro stage 17.

then cav supposedly allowed greipel to win the stage. greipel thought that cav simply 'couldn't'. so it started.

the rest is the inflated ego babble.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Actually, I'm English, I can't stand Cavendish or Columbia (sprint stages = boring, and a lot of stages that wouldn't otherwise be bunch sprints become boring bunch sprints with them around, and they inevitably win, taking out any unpredictability. I hate Columbia. Not Colombia though. That usually gives us some good, entertaining riders), and while I know the slang term 'sht-small', I don't think he was using it as a slang term. It's not all that common. He was not saying 'sht-small races', otherwise there would have been a hyphen in the article. He was saying 'sht, small races' because they're races His Lordship Of The Tedious Stage considers beneath him.

 

[Lifeshape]

Jesus I hate this forum sometimes.



So you know Cav personally then, to say he's a loser off the bike? Ask Jonny Bellis whether Cav's a loser.


I have clearly missed the details of what Cavendouche has accomplished off the bike. Please enlighten me and I may reconsider....

 

[Fester]

Jesus I hate this forum sometimes.



So you know Cav personally then, to say he's a loser off the bike? Ask Jonny Bellis whether Cav's a loser.




Now you are just being obtuse. We've explained why Cav was not calling the races "shi**y" but you're obviously not willing to listen.

And can we stop with the "I hate everyone and everything and want to complain all the time and any foreigner who disagrees with me is a fanboy" bullcrap?

Finally, so it's OK for Greipel to shoot his mouth off about MSR, Cav sould leave etc etc but as soon as Cav responds he gets slaughtered?

Loser is probably not quite an apt term for Cavendish.

I'd say been in the British Cycling Academy since he was young is responsible for pretty much everything you see (including the victories). Imagine you're 15 and you're put through a system based round performance, -I don't know the details, but correct me if this is wrong. This means much less of the things that any young person and indeed some cyclists enjoy. He didn't pass through the hard hard world of U-23 cycling in Europe which is a humbling experience for the best riders. Then you have people saying you're good and moulding you to be so, especially when you're young and impressionable.

I say Cavendish is not a loser, but rather the product of a system and 100% pro bike rider.

Just normal he tells Greipel to f*** off, it's a compliment, it means Greipel is a threat to the status quo within the team.

 

[joe_papp]

Team quality in Turkey

...a field of...lower teams...

Like:

Footon - Servetto
Lampre - Farnese Vini
Liquigas - Doimo
Team HTC - Columbia
Xacobeo - Galicia
Cofidis
Carmiooro - NGC
Colnago - CSF Inox
De Rosa - Stac Plastic
ISD - Neri
Skil - Shimano
CCC - Polsat - Polkowice (team producing some of the hardest Eastern European pros, who eat small children for breakfast...)

And then 3 other teams that I would actually describe as lower, compared to the vast majority of the field, one being the Turkish National Team. But I wouldn't imply that today's stage winner is an unproven rider yet to establish himself in pro cycling.

"Italy's Giovanni Visconti (ISD-Neri) won stage three at the Presidential Tour of Turkey in Marmaris on Tuesday and Estonia's Rein Taaramäe (Cofidis) took the overall race lead after a series of attacks on the last climb saw Germany's Andrei Greipel (HTC-Columbia) lose contact and finish 22 seconds down..."

 

[Faserr]

hear what haussler says at the beginning of the video: (by the way the beyond the peloton docu is great )
"he doesn't know when to shut his mouth. He's given interviews and stuff like how easy this is and he is not showing any respect to guys like freire, benatti, thor, green jersey winners. That's making us really mad, but that's good. That gives us a bit more motivation."
Well I think the "with my finger in the nose" stuff will give Haussler and Co. even more motivation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfYmdJQTIM0&feature=related

If you think I search all the net for cavendish bashing, that's wrong I found this accidentally and I just want to show it to you because I think the whole docu is quite interesting.
Cavendish is a really great rider, but I don't like him. Well, that's good for me/us because we have stuff to discuss

 

[Ferminal]

Like:

Footon - Servetto
Lampre - Farnese Vini
Liquigas - Doimo
Team HTC - Columbia
Xacobeo - Galicia
Cofidis
Carmiooro - NGC
Colnago - CSF Inox
De Rosa - Stac Plastic
ISD - Neri
Skil - Shimano
CCC - Polsat - Polkowice (team producing some of the hardest Eastern European pros, who eat small children for breakfast...)

And then 3 other teams that I would actually describe as lower, compared to the vast majority of the field, one being the Turkish National Team. But I wouldn't imply that today's stage winner is an unproven rider yet to establish himself in pro cycling.

"Italy's Giovanni Visconti (ISD-Neri) won stage three at the Presidential Tour of Turkey in Marmaris on Tuesday and Estonia's Rein Taaramäe (Cofidis) took the overall race lead after a series of attacks on the last climb saw Germany's Andrei Greipel (HTC-Columbia) lose contact and finish 22 seconds down..."

I wonder if he's actually seen any of it? Looks like tough racing if you ask me.

 

[craig1985]

Cav's latest tirade

Now, I know I know I haven't followed pro cycling as long as other on here, but 10 years ago, if Cav was going on his tirade's, a fair chance somebody like Cipo would of punched him in the face and to tell him to pull his head in(BroDeal translation: Aussie slang to not be a douche). He might of even copped Tom Steels' water bottle as well (assuming Steels' would of hit him which I doubt it).

 

[Anonymous]

and the original interview of his "latest tirade":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/apr/14/mark-cavendish-tour-de-france

 

[BroDeal]

Sounds like he is backpedalling and trying to portray his douchebaggery as a joke.

From the look of this pic he is short in more ways than one.

 

[L'arriviste]

Sounds like he is backpedalling and trying to portray his douchebaggery as a joke.

From the look of this pic he is short in more ways than one.

Not really a Cavendish fan, but all the same I felt there was a marked difference in tone between the original article and the CN.com adaptation.

The journo added her observations of Cavendish - a childish young man who doesn't really think before speaking and has an inferiority-complex that is probably one of the root causes of his winning. CN.com does not have an editorial style that allows for too much observation, except in the 'blogs', which I always enjoy.

As for the picture, I have to say that the next thing I noticed beyond the smirk of Young Jaws was the Castello Sforzesco, not the fellow's package, but hey...

So it's unfortunate that he comes across the way he does - like many, many ordinary people we all know, trying to bluster over the gaps in their armour instead of weighing their words carefully (often to the point of platitudes) - but that's what the press and many folks on this forum like to pick holes in, so he's filling your time nicely

If he's still around in five years, expect a marked change in him by then.

 

[joy118118]

Loser is probably not quite an apt term for Cavendish.

I'd say been in the British Cycling Academy since he was young is responsible for pretty much everything you see (including the victories). Imagine you're 15 and you're put through a system based round performance, -I don't know the details, but correct me if this is wrong. This means much less of the things that any young person and indeed some cyclists enjoy. He didn't pass through the hard hard world of U-23 cycling in Europe which is a humbling experience for the best riders. Then you have people saying you're good and moulding you to be so, especially when you're young and impressionable.

I say Cavendish is not a loser, but rather the product of a system and 100% pro bike rider.

Just normal he tells Greipel to f*** off, it's a compliment, it means Greipel is a threat to the status quo within the team.

Cavendish left school when he was 16 and worked in a bank. Was he still training with British Cycling Academy at that time?

It is said that when he was with British Cycling Academy, they also thought he was not able to become a pro cyclist.

Interesting to see english newspaper boasting of him and degrade him at the same time.