Cavendish "Giro is the hardest GT there is"

[El Pistolero]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of bad comments and animosity towards those guys.

Lot's of guys don't like Valverde, that's true. But that's because he's an ******* that only dares to pick on the "small" cyclists. Kinda like Cav in that regard.

I've never seen anyone hate Moncoutié, in fact a lot of people say they know for a fact he's clean. That's quite a compliment if you ask me. Although he's also a bit of a loner, so probably doesn't have a lot of friends in the peloton. But hated? Nah, not at all.

 

[El Pistolero]

Most strange. I thought his job was to win races but apparently it is far more important that he is liked by other riders, some of whom are regularly beaten in a sprint.

Some people really like to clutch at any straw to justify their hatred of someone they do not know at all.

You hate him. We get it. Next? Yawn.

We were talking about his personality, not him as an athlete. Since when are you the judge about what the topic should be on Cavendish? How strange that when someone says something negative about Cavendish his fans always try to talk it right because he wins a lot. Great argument. You know who else "won" a lot? OJ Simpson.

You love him. We get it. Next? Yawn.

 

[spalco]

Yeah, let's compare Cavendish to a ****ing murderer, that'll advance a reasonable discussion.

And btw. OJ Simpson was incredibly popular during his playing days.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah, let's compare Cavendish to a ****ing murderer, that'll advance a reasonable discussion.

And btw. OJ Simpson was incredibly popular during his playing days.

Thanks for missing the point. I'm not comparing Cav to a murderer. I'm saying someone's behavior isn't excused by being great in something, sprinting in this case. Cav's behavior problem is that he's a jerk. Nothing more, nothing less. OJ was just an (exaggerated) example to illustrate my point.

I don't care whether or not OJ was popular during his career. That was not the point at all. It's NOT ok for Cav to act like a jerk just because he wins a lot. Obviously you think otherwise, that's fine, but I don't agree at all.

 

[therealtimshady]

It's the poor tour routes with those annoying 60km downhill finishes which make it the easier of the 3 grand tours (although not to win)

 

[lanternrouge]

We were talking about his personality, not him as an athlete. Since when are you the judge about what the topic should be on Cavendish? How strange that when someone says something negative about Cavendish his fans always try to talk it right because he wins a lot. Great argument. You know who else "won" a lot? OJ Simpson.

You love him. We get it. Next? Yawn.

Wrong. Again.
I do not love him or hate him. As i do not know him.
I do admire his ability as a sprinter. Does that count?
Does this make me a fan boy on your planet?

 

[El Pistolero]

You can only hate people you don't know personally? Now, that's really wrong.

Besides, I don't actually hate Cavendish. I dislike him, but hate is a too strong word for me. Funny that you only respond to the last sentence though, merely copied your last sentence and turned it against you.

 

[The Hitch]

We were talking about his personality, not him as an athlete. Since when are you the judge about what the topic should be on Cavendish? How strange that when someone says something negative about Cavendish his fans always try to talk it right because he wins a lot. Great argument. You know who else "won" a lot? OJ Simpson.

You love him. We get it. Next? Yawn.

Cav makes some very classy and respectable comments.

Cycling fans tip their hat and respect what the man has said.

You meanwhile come in with your pre established hatred and try to make the thread about other comments cav made years ago.

Its clear your hatred has no rational basis if, even when they do something right, you can't stand the fact that they get praised for it and search for reasons to attack them anyway.

 

[El Pistolero]

Why would Cav deserve special praise for finishing the Giro and the other 156 don't? Check mate.

He was quite pathetic this Giro actually. Yelling at Guardini for beating him fair and square. That proved what kind of man he truly is. Also remember the whole Ferrari debacle and Cav yelling out loud he should leave the Giro? He did the exact same thing at the Tour de Suisse and you know what he did? Blame Haussler for it. Don't believe me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxRc...dynzQrshCXBlyPEn7oTY5lHovvbIiQk&feature=inbox

Watch the whole thing, you'll eventually come across it.

I'm sorry, but I don't think he deserves praise for what he did in this year's Giro d'Italia. All he showed was how pathetic he is when he loses a race.

 

[The Hitch]

Why would Cav deserve special praise for finishing the Giro and the other 156 don't? Check mate.

You need some back and forth for check mate.

Your post is idiotic anyway because you know very well that i hold the other 156 on just as high an altar.

But his finishing the giro has special importance when it comes to arguing with you because already in the first week you were attacking him for the fact that he was going to pull out on stage 13.

 

[El Pistolero]

You need some back and forth for check mate.

Your post is idiotic anyway because you know very well that i hold the other 156 on just as high an altar.

But his finishing the giro has special importance when it comes to arguing with you because already in the first week you were attacking him for the fact that he was going to pull out on stage 13.

Finishing a Grand Tour is something I consider to be normal if you're a professional cyclist. I slam a rider when they leave a GT early to prepare for other races in the season. If they finish it I don't complain about that, I just don't think it deserves special praise. And Cavendish has definitely been getting special praise on this forum for what he did. That's an indisputable fact. I don't think he deserves this special praise. He deserves the same praise as everyone else that finished it. I'm not disliking Cavendish just because he drops out of GTs(Giro mainly), that was just one of the many reasons. Cavendish, and many other sprinters, have a reputation for leaving GTs before they end. That's why I was "attacking" him from the first week already. I also slammed other sprinters like Mark Renshaw however for leaving the Giro early. So it's not just Cav I was targetting.

My post is idiotic? Then why does Cavendish have his own thread of praise for finishing the Giro? Where are the 156 other threads? But he doesn't get any special praise right?

 

[The Hitch]

Finishing a Grand Tour is something I consider to be normal if you're a professional cyclist. I slam a rider when they leave a GT early to prepare for other races in the season. If they finish it I don't complain about that, I just don't think it deserves special praise. And Cavendish has definitely been getting special praise on this forum for what he did. That's an indisputable fact. I don't think he deserves this special praise. He deserves the same praise as everyone else that finished it. I'm not disliking Cavendish just because he drops out of GTs(Giro mainly), that was just one of the many reasons.

He does deserve special praise because he would have been better off leaving. he wasn't a gc rider who has built up to this, or a domestique having to help that rider or a rider with no shot at riding the tour so might as well finish. no, cavs stages had come, he had won them and could have and probably should have left the giro to prepare for his season goal.

And yet due to his love of the race he stayed and did the pampeago stage and the stelvio stage, likely to his own detriment.

For a cycling fan that means something. for a fan who boasts that he didn't watch the giro or many other races, admits that he only really watches for a handful of Belgian riders and says he "doesn't care" about most riders in the peloton, i understand that that might not mean.much.

 

[El Pistolero]

He does deserve special praise because he would have been better off leaving. he wasn't a gc rider who has built up to this, or a domestique having to help that rider or a rider with no shot at riding the tour so might as well finish. no, cavs stages had come, he had won them and could have and probably should have left the giro to prepare for his season goal.

And yet due to his love of the race he stayed and did the pampeago stage and the stelvio stage, likely to his own detriment.

For a cycling fan that means something. for a fan who boasts that he didn't watch the giro or many other races, admits that he only really watches for a handful of Belgian riders and says he "doesn't care" about most riders in the peloton, i understand that that might not mean.much.

Don't put words in my mouth please. I couldn't watch most of the Giro because I had to study. Love of the race? He wanted to win the point jersey and stage 18. So no, his stages hadn't all come. There were still 2 victories to be gained. Besides, never questioned his love for a cycling race. Still don't see why he deserves special praise for that. Most cyclists are in love with one or more races. A professional cyclist that's a cycling fan...

Sounds to me like you're saying that Cavendish deserves special praise because his favorite race is the Giro d'Italia. I know the general consensus of this forum is that the Giro is the best race, so no surprise to see you and others defend him when he says something positive about the Giro. Nothing wrong with that, just something I noticed.

Ps: first you said he doesn't deserve any special praise as you hold the other guys on just as high altar and now you say he does deserve special praise. Make up your mind.

 

[norwegian]

Chapeau to Cavendish to completing the Giro. And to his attitude afterwards.

 

[The Hitch]

. Love of the race? He wanted to win the point jersey and stage 18. So no, his stages hadn't all come. There were still 2 victories to be gained.

lol. Wtf kind of contradiction are you creating here.

Him wanting to get the jersey and the stage, is him loving the race.

Someone who does not love the giro will, see the giro only for its worth in preparing them for the Tour.
as Wiggins did for example. Or as people who do the Vuelta and pull out on stage 13 to get a better prep for the worlds might do.

Cav places the potential for a points jersey as so high that he is willing to risk his season and go through immense pain, to go over the 3 hardest stages he has done in his life.

If thats not love for the Giro what is?

 

[El Pistolero]

Never questioned his love for the Giro. You make it sound like the only reason he stayed in the Giro was because of his love for the race and that he didn't have any other motive for finishing the race. That's false, there was still a flat stage and a point jersey up for grabs. Merely stating facts here. Nothing contradictory here. I'm questioning your motive of why Cav finished the Giro this year, not that Cav loves the Giro.

I'm sure he loves this race, but that wasn't the only reason why he finished the Giro this year. Who knows, he might abandon the Tour to prepare for the Olympics.

 

[norwegian]

lol. Wtf kind of contradiction are you creating here.

Him wanting to get the jersey and the stage, is him loving the race.

Someone who does not love the giro will, see the giro only for its worth in preparing them for the Tour.
as Wiggins did for example. Or as people who do the Vuelta and pull out on stage 13 to get a better prep for the worlds might do.

Cav places the potential for a points jersey as so high that he is willing to risk his season and go through immense pain, to go over the 3 hardest stages he has done in his life.

If thats not love for the Giro what is?

I second this.

 

[c&cfan]

I second this.

it's funny because piste still cannot understand a question and then respond accordingly. it is really funny (or sad..).

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

I don't think Cav is even going to do his usual effort in the TdF he put so much into the Giro. Why would a sprinter even bother doing those last mountain stages and time trial?? wth.. he must love the race or something weird like that..

 

[El Pistolero]

I don't think Cav is even going to do his usual effort in the TdF he put so much into the Giro. Why would a sprinter even bother doing those last mountain stages and time trial?? wth.. he must love the race or something weird like that..

Or he'll abandon the Tour early to prepare for the Olympics.

It all comes down to this very important question. Cui bono? Bradley Wiggins perhaps.

Some of you may be naive enough to believe his love for the race is the only reason he finished this year's Giro, but I'm not buying it. It's a part of the reason, but the only reason?

 

[saunaking]

Cav kicked my dog and drank my last beer all in the same day!

 

[El Pistolero]

Cav kicked my dog and drank my last beer all in the same day!

Lies, Cav loves dogs he would only kick cats.

 

[norwegian]

Some of you may be naive enough to believe his love for the race is the only reason he finished this year's Giro

I am that naive. Not because of it is the Giro, but because of the race.

 

[spalco]

He was quite pathetic this Giro actually. Yelling at Guardini for beating him fair and square. That proved what kind of man he truly is.

You mean the guy who kicked out of the Giro for cheating? Yeah, why ever would Cavendish be annoyed at getting beaten by him...

 

[El Pistolero]

You mean the guy who kicked out of the Giro for cheating? Yeah, why ever would Cavendish be annoyed at getting beaten by him...

Lol, clutching at straws here. That was before he got thrown out of the Giro. Don't forget that Cav should be out already by stage 6 if we follow the rules.