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Cav's Dangerous sprinting.

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Christ almighty people, you're looking for something that wasn't there. Why would Cavendish deliberately divert left, losing the wheel of his lead out, if he didn't accidentally lose control for some reason?

Racing incident, pure and simple.
 

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euanli said:
I was responding to the comment above where Farrar had "someone crash into him from behind".

Read further back and you will see me saying Cav was following Renshaw's wheel and deviated after contact with the Lampre rider who actually tightens his line. Oscar rides into the back of them and they all come across and hit Hunt who tangles with the Lampre rider

No idea why Cyclingnews are reporting Cav clashed with Hunt.

Check the replay and sort the riders out from that. The rider Cav clashes with ends up flat on his back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5tqtj8roMQ

Yes - and they were responding to your (innacurate) strawman.
euanli said:
It also looks to me like Farrar deviated from his sprinting line by many meters and then suddenly had an AG2R rider in his back. Lets not call that dangerous sprinting though.

Pretty much agree with what you said re Cav - minor racing incident - which is a pity as I would have liked to see a proper sprint.
 
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Phil & Paul were commentating earlier in the stage that Cav had a new, very aero, very stiff bike, and it occurred to me that that might have had an effect on his ability (or inability) to make that tight right-hand turn, especially being on the inside. Also, right as Paul mentioned that Tyler looked like he was out of gas near the finish, he was definitely not holding his line. The AG2R guy sure didn't act like he thought HE was the one who had crashed into Tyler.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Cav's dangerous sprinting...what should his punishment be as he has caused many accidents or near accidents. He is a dangerous sprinter. What should the race and/or HTC do with him?

I'm only aware of a single other incident that he can clearly be called culpable for. Perhaps you could expand and provide reason for censure? Surely you don't want to refer to today or last year's laughable demotion at the Tour? Is he any worse than Robbie McEwan has been?
 
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Desperate Moments said:
Phil & Paul were commentating earlier in the stage that Cav had a new, very aero, very stiff bike, and it occurred to me that that might have had an effect on his ability (or inability) to make that tight right-hand turn, especially being on the inside. Also, right as Paul mentioned that Tyler looked like he was out of gas near the finish, he was definitely not holding his line. The AG2R guy sure didn't act like he thought HE was the one who had crashed into Tyler.

Is there a youtube vid or online video of the overhead of Farrar? From what I saw, he looked like he deviated sharply to his left. It may have happened as a result of some other event, iow, he was just a domino in the middle.
 
His HTC-Columbia team-mate Tony Martin, who retained second place overall, defended Cavendish's part in the first crash.

"There was a little crash on the last right-hand corner with 1km to go and I think he was just behind it so he had no chance to go for the sprint," said the German.

"Maybe he will be a bit angry but I think that is good - he will get stronger and stronger and we will try again tomorrow."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/mobile/other_sports/cycling/8786916.stm?
 
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thehog said:
His HTC-Columbia team-mate Tony Martin, who retained second place overall, defended Cavendish's part in the first crash.

"There was a little crash on the last right-hand corner with 1km to go and I think he was just behind it so he had no chance to go for the sprint," said the German.

"Maybe he will be a bit angry but I think that is good - he will get stronger and stronger and we will try again tomorrow."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/mobile/other_sports/cycling/8786916.stm?

Sounds like Tony didn't see what happened.
 
pedaling squares said:
Seems that anyone who doesn't share your opinion is an apologist. Lame.

Address my response then. You said he was too hot going into the corner...it's clear that's not what happened. He was nice and tidy on the wheel...he wasn't too hot. He was either monkeying around or he couldn't handle another rider rubbing knuckles in a corner.

I didn't give you opinion. I gave you facts based on the laws of physics. If you're on a wheel and the person in front doesn't have to drift too wide to make the corner, then you don't. Simple.
 

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Desperate Moments said:
Phil & Paul were commentating earlier in the stage that Cav had a new, very aero, very stiff bike, and it occurred to me that that might have had an effect on his ability (or inability) to make that tight right-hand turn, especially being on the inside. Also, right as Paul mentioned that Tyler looked like he was out of gas near the finish, he was definitely not holding his line. The AG2R guy sure didn't act like he thought HE was the one who had crashed into Tyler.

From Lloyd Mondory (the AG2R rider)
He said Belgian Jurgen Roelandts came crashing into him from behind, pushing him uncontrollably towards the American.

"A rider (Roelandts) hit me from behind. I'm sorry for Farrar, but I couldn't do anything about it," he said.

As for Cav - I find it despicaple that he was "jeered" by anyone, but in particular by Team Sky Fans.... (not our TSF of course).
 
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Roelandts was tenth, which would be weird if he went crashing into guys... though he isn't the most experienced rider there is.
 
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Hairy Wheels said:
Address my response then. You said he was too hot going into the corner...

I wrote no such thing. You may want to re-read the thread. My comment was simply based on your critique of the writer instead of the opinion. Someone thinking that Cav was not to blame for that crash is not necessarily an apologist, a term which you seem to enjoy using. FWIW, I think that Cav was to blame for that crash. Which may make me a Freire/Hunt apologist. But I don't think that this was an example of reckless riding, just one of those things that happens in a bike race.

Dr. Maserati said:
As for Cav - I find it despicaple that he was "jeered" by anyone, but in particular by Team Sky Fans.... (not our TSF of course).

Agreed. They probably hated his 'V' salute yet this action has just as little class.
 
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bobs *** said:
Is there a youtube vid or online video of the overhead of Farrar? From what I saw, he looked like he deviated sharply to his left. It may have happened as a result of some other event, iow, he was just a domino in the middle.

I watched the video a few times. Tyler held his line until he was ran into from behind. He was hit on the rear, right side of his bike, snapping his DR, and pushing him to the left. Until he was hit he was holding his line and riding safe.
 
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Cav simply wasn't able to handle the curve and drifted into rider to his left (Hunt?). Not the same as in Switzerland, but wondering about his fitness as maybe he's too tired at the end of races to properly control his bike in these conditions. Just a thought.
 
It does look like Cav leans onto the Lampre guy though.

I just get the feeling that Cav is getting a LOAD of **** :( Yes hes a arrogant sod, but hes got a right to be hasnt he? hes a bloody good rider!

Give the guy some slack and lets not get like the fools who follow Wendyball, lets get behind our lads.
 
pedaling squares said:
I wrote no such thing. You may want to re-read the thread. My comment was simply based on your critique of the writer instead of the opinion. Someone thinking that Cav was not to blame for that crash is not necessarily an apologist, a term which you seem to enjoy using. FWIW, I think that Cav was to blame for that crash. Which may make me a Freire/Hunt apologist. But I don't think that this was an example of reckless riding, just one of those things that happens in a bike race.



Agreed. They probably hated his 'V' salute yet this action has just as little class.

My apologies...sort of. I was referring to the guy who made the original comment....then you weighed in sounding like you were agreeing with him. It turns out you had something to say...no, wait...you just had to say something.
 
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The video that I've been able to find shows the crash from quite a distance, it's very hard to tell if anyone else hit Cav's wheel before he clearly veers out of the corner into the dude on his left.

Poor Cavendish, seems he's spent a lot of time on the tarmac this year.

I don't think a penalty is warranted, but at the very least someone should spit on his shoes tomorrow morning.
 
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Cavendish response

Cav totally pooched the corner and leaned into the Lampre guy causing the crash. He was leaning for several meters and he was going almost straight when everyone else was making the turn.

He knows messed up and its obvious from his response in the cyclingweekly article noted earlier.

"I don't know what happened," Cavendish said.

Thats because he doesn't want to admit he messed up.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Cav's dangerous sprinting...what should his punishment be as he has caused many accidents or near accidents. He is a dangerous sprinter. What should the race and/or HTC do with him?

Wonder why you were not bothered by G. Brown's sprinting tactics? oh he is an Aussie ! Doh.