Changes Cookson has implemented at UCI

[thehog]

He was waiting for your CN forum return! Welcome back Hoggie.

Excellent! As long as he's put away a no-name Italian rider for a hay fever tablet and let off Teflon Rogers, I'm good.

Now he can put cameras in bikes. He needs to talk about cameras on bikes more often.

 

[Archibald]

Organizations are really only as good as the people running them. Verbruggen and McQuaid's tenures were rife with substantial problems.

but here's the thing - those organisations have large amounts of staff to carry out the biddings of those in charge. Other than Cookson taking over, has there been some sort of clean out of dodgy underlings? Changing the head over doesn't remove the cancer in the body...

I am not sure even Lance would put himself through his self-inflicted hell again, but you never know?

of course he would! He just wouldn't do the comeback.

What about cameras in bikes? Has Cookson got cameras on bikes yet?

jeez, he's a guy and can't multi-task, so it's one thing at a time - disc brakes on road bikes, then cameras in bikes

 

[RedheadDane]

Now he can put cameras in bikes. He needs to talk about cameras on bikes more often.

jeez, he's a guy and can't multi-task, so it's one thing at a time - disc brakes on road bikes, then cameras in bikes

Cameras in bikes? I honestly doubt people would be interested in seeing the inside of a bike frame.

 

[Catwhoorg]

but here's the thing - those organisations have large amounts of staff to carry out the biddings of those in charge. Other than Cookson taking over, has there been some sort of clean out of dodgy underlings? Changing the head over doesn't remove the cancer in the body...



of course he would! He just wouldn't do the comeback.



jeez, he's a guy and can't multi-task, so it's one thing at a time - disc brakes on road bikes, then cameras in bikes

YES to the bold there have been wholesale changes at CADF.

 

[sniper]

YES to the bold there have been wholesale changes at CADF.

fair, but let's see.

The resultant changes – whether already introduced, under way or yet to come – essentially have the intention of reinforcing the independence of anti-doping activities and improving their effectiveness.

what's with this "essentially"? either you have the intention or you don't. Not "essentially".

Perhaps this is what "essentially" means:

The independence of the CADF was significantly reinforced in September 2013 when its Board was completely renewed. The CADF is chaired by the former President of the UCI Anti-Doping Commission (...), Dr George Ruijsch Van Dugteren

lol, i guess.

More independence:

The UCI determines the CADF’s priorities in terms of the testing strategy and broad lines of approach through a contract of services. This contract will be adapted on an annual basis after evaluation of the results obtained and the situation arising from the tests carried out.

Catwhoorg, don't you get the urgent feeling the CADF changes and this talk about "independence" is windowdressing?

btw, source: http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTUzNDc&LangId=1

 

[Catwhoorg]

Ultimately the UCI is the group responsible for anti-doping in cycling.

CADF is more independent than it has ever been, but ultimately HAS to (per the WADA code) report to the UCI.

Even if they were fully independent sub contracted entity, there would be a scope and contract of services.

Heck my employer has that with their Fully independent drug testing group they subcontract to.

(They say how many random tests to run, but not who to run them on. Targeted/incident testing is additional to the basic scope costing, at a predetermined agreed upon rate)


As to your question, No I don't think its just window dressing.

 

[sniper]

CADF is more independent than it has ever been, but ultimately HAS to (per the WADA code) report to the UCI.

Even if they were fully independent sub contracted entity, there would be a scope and contract of services.

Heck my employer has that with their Fully independent drug testing group they subcontract to.

fair points i guess.
I'm worried though about this guy Dr. George Ruijsch Van Dugteren.
I can't find much on the guy, but the fact that he has "enormous experience in the field of anti-doping" unfortunately should be taken to mean he has enormous experience in tolerating doping, cuz that's what most anti-doping bodies have been doing.

Ow, and he's South-African...

 

[stutue]

fair points i guess.
I'm worried though about this guy Dr. George Ruijsch Van Dugteren.
I can't find much on the guy, but the fact that he has "enormous experience in the field of anti-doping" unfortunately should be taken to mean he has enormous experience in tolerating doping, cuz that's what most anti-doping bodies have been doing.

Ow, and he's South-African...

So you admit to near-total ignorance of the guy, but you still feel qualified to condemn him.

Cool.

 

[sniper]

So you admit to near-total ignorance of the guy, but you still feel qualified to condemn him.

Cool.

if you read my posts you see
1. he's ex-UCI (which obviously doesn't bode well for the indpendence of CADF vis-a-vis UCI),
2. he's experienced in running anti-doping agencies which means he's experienced in tolerating doping (doesn't bode well for the chances of CADF cleaning up the place)
3. he's south-african (which is good news for Froome).

that's as much or indeed as little as i know.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Excellent! As long as he's put away a no-name Italian rider for a hay fever tablet and let off Teflon Rogers, I'm good.

Now he can put cameras in bikes. He needs to talk about cameras on bikes more often.

please please don't get banned so soon again
we miss you

 

[thehog]

please please don't get banned so soon again
we miss you

We'll in my irony there is a sense of truth. It's there.

Cookson reminds of a student union president. Every there's a sign of discord out on free beer in the bar. Cookson just talks about cameras on bikes.

 

[stutue]

if you read my posts you see
1. he's ex-UCI (which obviously doesn't bode well for the indpendence of CADF vis-a-vis UCI),
2. he's experienced in running anti-doping agencies which means he's experienced in tolerating doping (doesn't bode well for the chances of CADF cleaning up the place)
3. he's south-african (which is good news for Froome).

that's as much or indeed as little as i know.

Well, OK. You know there's a 'but'coming....

1. Do you not think that if recruiting for an experienced professional expert in cycling anti-doping you are almost certain to have a limited pool upon which to draw and some sort of UCI contact is likely....
......Ashenden is ex-UCI

2. That's a little harsh. He may have had little say.

3. Froome is British/Kenyan. Thinking that the Dr would favour somebody just because he comes from the same continent is a little odd. For all you know he might think Froome is a c**t.

 

[stutue]

We'll in my irony there is a sense of truth. It's there.

Cookson reminds of a student union president. Every there's a sign of discord out on free beer in the bar. Cookson just talks about cameras on bikes.

That's a fair observation, I guess. Cookson is an arch politician.

I think we've just got to wait and see if he's able to hack all the dry rot out of the UCI, or if he'll turn out to be another Pope Benedict.

One point to never forget when considering the sport of professional cycling* is that it is a business, and he's running it.

Like it or loath it, the wheels need to keep on turning or he's out

*©Paul 'UpLance'sAss' Sherwen.

 

[oldcrank]

fair points i guess.
I'm worried though about this guy Dr. George Ruijsch Van Dugteren.
I can't find much on the guy, but the fact that he has "enormous experience in the field of anti-doping" unfortunately should be taken to mean he has enormous experience in tolerating doping, cuz that's what most anti-doping bodies have been doing.

Ow, and he's South-African...

Do we really need racist posts on this forum, my friend?
Rampant racism and nationalism does no one any good.

 

[stutue]

Do we really need racist posts on this forum, my friend?
Rampant racism and nationalism does no one any good.

To be fair to Sniper, I don't think he was being racist.

I think he was implying the possibility of nepotism, and therefore the actual nationality is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that it is the same as Froomes.

(I don't agree with Snipers point, but racist? No.)

 

[sniper]

Do we really need racist posts on this forum, my friend?
Rampant racism and nationalism does no one any good.

i'll admit i shouldn't have mentioned his nationality in relation to froome, but to accuse me of racism? get real.

To be fair to Sniper, I don't think he was being racist.

I think he was implying the possibility of nepotism, and therefore the actual nationality is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that it is the same as Froomes.

(I don't agree with Snipers point, but racist? No.)

thanks stutue, appreciate it.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Allowing two riders from a nation in the Olympic track sprint events.

Clearly hometown favoritism, as it will allow more UK dominance of the track.

(Ok now that's out of my system)

Also the right thing to do. If athletics can have multiple sprinters at a given distance from the same country, it makes sense that the track sprints follow the same rule.

Good change

 

[zigmeister]

Well, OK. You know there's a 'but'coming....

1. Do you not think that if recruiting for an experienced professional expert in cycling anti-doping you are almost certain to have a limited pool upon which to draw and some sort of UCI contact is likely....
......Ashenden is ex-UCI

It annoys me to all end how many consider Ashenden to be some sort of "doping expert." He isn't an expert. He isn't innovative and wouldn't have any thought/creativity on how to go about doping unless someone told him how.

Everything Ashenden learned about doping is from people like Hamilton, who explained exactly their methodology on doping and techniques. Until he learned exactly what the real "experts" and doping programs doing, then he was able to put two-and-two together to finally figure out and explain why blood values look the way they do.

But this is limited to primarily EPO/Transfusions. Otherwise, show me what he has creatively come up with and been doing to gain some "expert" doping title?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Everything Ashenden learned about doping is from people like Hamilton, who explained exactly their methodology on doping and techniques. Until he learned exactly what the real "experts" and doping programs doing, then he was able to put two-and-two together to finally figure out and explain why blood values look the way they do.

But this is limited to primarily EPO/Transfusions. Otherwise, show me what he has creatively come up with and been doing to gain some "expert" doping title?

Breaking news, he isn't a fraud expert. He's a blood parameters expert. He'd still be one if the sports federation didn't demand a long-term NDA to tamp down doping controversy.

I won't bother with the rest as it is similarly fatally flawed.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Interview with InCycle

Nothing earth shattering, but a good way to spend a few mins.

He does talk a good game. I am looking forward to seeing the effects of the changes made, and those to come.

 

[Franklin]

Now he can put cameras in bikes. He needs to talk about cameras on bikes more often.

I know people find it flippant, but TBH, I'd love it and really see it as an extra dimension on the sport. Not the most important thing, but definitely worthy for Cookson to put his weight behind.

There's more than doping in this sport.

 

[thehog]

I know people find it flippant, but TBH, I'd love it and really see it as an extra dimension on the sport. Not the most important thing, but definitely worthy for Cookson to put his weight behind.

There's more than doping in this sport.

I actually agree it would be an excellent idea. I bring it up because he has no intention of doing it. He just throws it out there to pretend he's doing something and the sport is changing.

Nothing has changed. Still the same stupid bike regulations and blind eye to doping.

 

[oldcrank]

It is wonderful that Brian Cookson OBE has confirmed
there are plans for a World Cycling Centre Satellite in
Central/South America. Fantastic news for the youth
of that region.

 

[stutue]

I actually agree it would be an excellent idea. I bring it up because he has no intention of doing it. He just throws it out there to pretend he's doing something and the sport is changing.

Nothing has changed. Still the same stupid bike regulations and blind eye to doping.

Don't know about the camera thing, haven't been following it. I'd love to see it, especially if there was sound. A lead out round some corners and a sprint would be great.

I am aware of changes afoot in bike tech. The UCI have just received feedback back from the main manufacturers about the progress being made in developing road discs for the peloton (after the SRAM embarrassment). Final decision to be made in the autumn.

We'll see.

I'm hoping for a yes.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

It is wonderful that Brian Cookson OBE has confirmed
there are plans for a World Cycling Centre Satellite in
Central/South America. Fantastic news for the youth
of that region.

I agree, because that is what the youth of Jo'burg will keep 'm out of crime.

JC Cookson.

What a scam Cookson is.