checkout LA's size...

[Benotti69]

Natural bodybuilding.

can anybody post the pic of Rasmussen topless side by side with this

 

[Hillavoider]

FLandis drank it.

hshshshshs LOL

 

[Rip:30]

vs. Negative bodybuilding.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Agh, I see, now we can use the subjective judgement of size of riders as proof of doping. I wonder why WADA and even Greg Lemond have not advocated this before?

On that basis Merckx and Indurain much have been doping massively!

 

[SpartacusRox]

vs. Negative bodybuilding.

See, thats what drugs will do for you! Only Andy, Frank and AC are that skinny. LA is the picture of health.

 

[Inner Peace]

All this stuff about a rider's weight is too ambiguous.

I've read Lance weighed anywhere between 71-75kg throughout his WHOLE career.

The 71kg has been heavily disputed by almost everyone in the industry, and the 75kg i think was when he was winning the WC... let's say he weighs 73kg, because the 'realistic' 99-2005 weight is reported to be between 72 and 74.

Now, we've all read Lance is anywhere between 5ft7 and 5ft11... I think he is an inch shorter than Contador (who I think is 5ft10). But people who have met Lance have said he is tiny... let's say 5ft9 again as the middle ground...

So a 73kg, 5ft9 rider....

A number of questions are raised about ALL riders when you look at those numbers.

The Schleck twins and Robert Gesink are reportedly 6ft1-6ft2 and weigh 68-70kg... Now, first question.. How do those Lanky riders time trial the way they do????

Secondly, if Lance is hauling an extra 5kg, and a completely different body shap how does he climb with them ???

That's why I opened my post with that sentence.

Height/Weight doesn't matter for riders of different types. They are other factors that aren't represented in just height and weight that affect riding. The shape of the body and the proportion of the skeleton all matter, and muscle composition and VO2 and lactic threshold and well DOPING, and even that thing where you ride your bike outside of races... starts with a t

Anyway. I'm more concerned about how riders 5kg less than Lance can time trial like him and then you throw AC in the mix (what, 5ft10 and 65kg?) who outclimbs and out-chronos the lot of them, and you realise that height and weight don't mean ****...

 

[SpartacusRox]

All this stuff about a rider's weight is too ambiguous.

I've read Lance weighed anywhere between 71-75kg throughout his WHOLE career.

The 71kg has been heavily disputed by almost everyone in the industry, and the 75kg i think was when he was winning the WC... let's say he weighs 73kg, because the 'realistic' 99-2005 weight is reported to be between 72 and 74.

Now, we've all read Lance is anywhere between 5ft7 and 5ft11... I think he is an inch shorter than Contador (who I think is 5ft10). But people who have met Lance have said he is tiny... let's say 5ft9 again as the middle ground...

So a 73kg, 5ft9 rider....

A number of questions are raised about ALL riders when you look at those numbers.

The Schleck twins and Robert Gesink are reportedly 6ft1-6ft2 and weigh 68-70kg... Now, first question.. How do those Lanky riders time trial the way they do????

Secondly, if Lance is hauling an extra 5kg, and a completely different body shap how does he climb with them ???

That's why I opened my post with that sentence.

Height/Weight doesn't matter for riders of different types. They are other factors that aren't represented in just height and weight that affect riding. The shape of the body and the proportion of the skeleton all matter, and muscle composition and VO2 and lactic threshold and well DOPING, and even that thing where you ride your bike outside of races... starts with a t

Anyway. I'm more concerned about how riders 5kg less than Lance can time trial like him and then you throw AC in the mix (what, 5ft10 and 65kg?) who outclimbs and out-chronos the lot of them, and you realise that height and weight don't mean ****...

Stop it! You are being too logical and are making too much sense to be posting on here

 

[wattage]

Armstrong has never been under 74kg at the start of the Tour.

 

[Benotti69]

HEY HEY HEY...this my thread and i never ever said that any of the top guys are not PED'd... i merely made the comment about the photo showing uniballer and how can a guy so bulky get up those cols dropping everyone (except contador, schleck and sastre) in july.

now anyone wanting to start their own thread asking how can these skinny guys TT so well. Be my guest, i'll even pop in for a visit or a comment or 2..

now do ya all reckon uniballer is no longer a six pack, more like a keg these days

 

[Cloxxki]

Being skinny can help when you're pedaling 50kph or better.

I rode with an average built running girl yesterday evening. Non-athlete ladies would call her skinny, but realistically, she's a really healthily built lady that likes sports. She's not really strong, but quite tall. Drafting her was NO USE.
I suspect lack of shoulder width is worth a lot.

Me, I'm extremely tall (6'4", 39+" inseam) and even quite broad shouldered. When in top shape, 500W+ VO2max, I would still not be a fast roadie on the flats. Just too much wind drag. People in the pack would start fist fights to be able to sit on my wheel when I'd pull all stops nearing the final, though.
Good draft = high power produced by rider in front. Over simplified, but usually very close to reality, I'm sure.

I would not be surprised if Lance's actual output has been downplayed, and overly attributed to his high cadence riding, although I DO consider this a lost chance by every rider apart from Contador. I've done the transformation myself (comfortably from 101rpm to 113rpm at TH in one season), and it's well worth the agony in training. And I never got to the nice ankling Lance does. I always lifted my (heavy) legs by pushing the other down. A good way to fatigue unnecessarily early.

 

[peloton]

Weight is not the issue when climbing. Why does everyone seem to think the weight will be slowing him down? It doesn't work like that.

It's power/weight ratio. By being bigger, his muscles are in turn bigger, thus can handle more lactic acid and therefore produce more power to compensate.

Two riders at 6 w/kg will climb the same no matter what weight they are. The heavier rider with more power actually has somewhat of an advantage, as more power helps in a TT.

This is why the Schlecks are poor at TTs but can climb well.

clueless.
hi Arbiter.

 

[Berzin]

Weight is not the issue when climbing. Why does everyone seem to think the weight will be slowing him down? It doesn't work like that.

It's power/weight ratio. By being bigger, his muscles are in turn bigger, thus can handle more lactic acid and therefore produce more power to compensate.

Two riders at 6 w/kg will climb the same no matter what weight they are. The heavier rider with more power actually has somewhat of an advantage, as more power helps in a TT.

This is why the Schlecks are poor at TTs but can climb well.

Total, absolute garbage. But this is what many threads on this forum have turned into.

Idiots who have nothing better to do with their lives than spew absolute monkey crap because they are so in love with their hero they can't bear to hear the truth.

Dude, only an a$$clown like Chris Carmichael would ever say something like this with a straight face. Him, and of course YOU.

"Weight is not an issue when climbing"...man, you trolls are seriously something else.

 

[hrotha]

The guy has made only two posts and you already feel entitled to call him an idiot, a fanboy, a deliberate misinformer and a troll? And yet you have the spine to complain about the state of the forum? Priceless.

If what he said is wrong, correct him.

Sure, there seems to be a rampant smurf problem in this message board, but even if it's proven that he's someone else, going all berserk on him does not improve things one bit. If you don't feel like correcting wrong information, ignore him.

You might know everything there's to know about weight and power-to-weight ratios. I don't. When I read an exchange like yours, I'm more inclined to lend more credibility to a post like EuroCyclist's than yours.

 

[Cerberus]

Actually, i'm not a troll or a Lance fanboy (I can't stand him). I'm a new member just giving scientific facts.

My post reffered to all riders, not just Lance. A bigger rider will always have an advantage over a smaller one with the same power/weight ratio.

That's true, but extremely incomplete. Yes the heavier rider will have an advantage at the same power/weight ratio, but it's easier to get a good power/weight ratio when you're smaller. It's a bit like saying that smaller rider are just as good at TTs as larger rider if they have the same power/air resistance ratio. It's technically true, but it missed the point that larger riders are more likely to have a good power/air resistance ratio.

In reality the fact is that small riders climb better because they have better power/weight and bigger riders tend to TT better because they have better power/air resistance. This is an "all other things being equal" thing of cause. Lots of people bigger than Cavendish can still climb better and lot's of bigger guys can't TT as well as Contador

 

[131313]

By being bigger, his muscles are in turn bigger, thus can handle more lactic acid and therefore produce more power to compensate.

umm....huh?

If that were the case, I guess Cancellara would be winning the tour. Or, some body builders...

'muscle size' has next to nothing to do with power production, nor does 'handling lactic acid'. If these are the 'scientific facts' you're trying to provide, you better first crack open an exercise physiology textbook.

 

[MacRoadie]

The guy has made only two posts and you already feel entitled to call him an idiot, a fanboy, a deliberate misinformer and a troll?

Maybe because his post starts off with:

Why does everyone seem to think the weight will be slowing him down? It doesn't work like that.

 

[Cerberus]

Maybe because his post starts off with:

It's possible he's just honestly misinformed.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Then he may want to try reading this forum a little before making posts in such a self-assured manner. No?

If what he said is wrong, correct him.

For the 1000th time, over and over and over?

Bro, I guess you missed the Guardian article where Armstrong claimed people have "evolved" since his '99 TdF win.

 

[Galic Ho]

All these reports of LA's height are way off. Dude is not very tall at all. Probably around 5'7". Definitely not 5'10" or 5'11", unless he's wearing Tom Cruise lifts in his Livestrong Nikes.

LA is around 5'7", and Levi is shorter than that - very tiny.

I'd have to meet them to prove it, but Levi is supposed to be my height and build, okay I'm more of an Evans build but about an inch shorter. Unless numerous teams are lying about height (I don't think they are) then Lance is a little taller than AC who is 175cm, or 5'9". Straight up, if Lance is my height, 170cm and over 70kg, then there is no doubt in my mind he is juicing big time to perform as well as he does. But he isn't that height. He is 2.5 to 3 inches taller.

 

[Publicus]

I'd have to meet them to prove it, but Levi is supposed to be my height and build, okay I'm more of an Evans build but about an inch shorter. Unless numerous teams are lying about height (I don't think they are) then Lance is a little taller than AC who is 175cm, or 5'9". Straight up, if Lance is my height, 170cm and over 70kg, then there is no doubt in my mind he is juicing big time to perform as well as he does. But he isn't that height. He is 2.5 to 3 inches taller.

From this picture, it doesn't look like Lance is taller than AC.

 

[Rip:30]

That's true, but extremely incomplete. Yes the heavier rider will have an advantage at the same power/weight ratio, but it's easier to get a good power/weight ratio when you're smaller. It's a bit like saying that smaller rider are just as good at TTs as larger rider if they have the same power/air resistance ratio. It's technically true, but it missed the point that larger riders are more likely to have a good power/air resistance ratio.

In reality the fact is that small riders climb better because they have better power/weight and bigger riders tend to TT better because they have better power/air resistance. This is an "all other things being equal" thing of cause. Lots of people bigger than Cavendish can still climb better and lot's of bigger guys can't TT as well as Contador

Good response.

Bonus points if someone can explain why smaller riders seem to be able to achieve better power to weight ratios more often.

 

[buckwheat]

On that basis Merckx and Indurain much have been doping massively!

They weren't?

 

[goggalor]

From this picture, it doesn't look like Lance is taller than AC.

He does look slightly taller, doesn't he? Not a good picture, though, as their legs aren't completely straight.

 

[La Vie Claire]

He does look slightly taller, doesn't he? Not a good picture, though, as their legs aren't completely straight.

2 inches maybe. Photo is angled so rotate it until the backdrop is horizontal.

 

[Kender]

the handlebar heights are quite a bit different. guess lance can't bend down as far with his hunchback