Chris Carmichael: "Lance will match & Exceed AC Speed"

[HelmutRoole]

LOL. How does Carmichael sleep at night? ...

On bed made of money.

 

[Sprocket01]

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a hormone produced naturally by the healthy kidneys. Synthetic EPO first became available in the late 1980's, manufactured using the "recipe" encoded in human genes.

EPO is usually given in the form of an injection under the skin (a subcutaneous injection), normally one to three times per week. It can also be given intravenously during haemodialysis.

Patients usually give their EPO injections to themselves. User-friendly systems make the procedure simple and help ensure the correct dosage is given.

http://www.renalinfo.com/uk/treatment/early_stage_kidney_failure/anaemia/what_is_epo.html

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a hormone produced naturally by the healthy kidneys. Synthetic EPO first became available in the late 1980's, manufactured using the "recipe" encoded in human genes.

EPO is usually given in the form of an injection under the skin (a subcutaneous injection), normally one to three times per week. It can also be given intravenously during haemodialysis.

Patients usually give their EPO injections to themselves. User-friendly systems make the procedure simple and help ensure the correct dosage is given.

http://www.renalinfo.com/uk/treatment/early_stage_kidney_failure/anaemia/what_is_epo.html

Interesting - but let's ask Willy Voet, the former soigneur of the Festina team who has 20 years of experience on this subject.

“On the upper arm, you’re injecting human growth hormone, EPO, corticoids or even the amphetamines”, he explains. In fact, everything that is not ‘oily’. The other products, iron, vitamins for example, were injected in the buttocks, a place where there is enough ‘meat’. The injections in the arm are subcutaneous. You use small needles like insulin needles.”

 

[350Watts]

Okay, just did some research. You can inject EPO either into a vein or into the muscle.

But if they did an injection into the classic bit of your arm, sometimes 20 a day, it would be covered in scar tissue. There is a bandage mark there which suggests it was a blood test and done professionally. It's what happens to me after a blood test.

Stop showing your ignorance, its getting tiring.

 

[Sprocket01]

Interesting - but let's ask Willy Voet, the former soigneur of the Festina team who has 20 years of experience on this subject.

“On the upper arm, you’re injecting human growth hormone, EPO, corticoids or even the amphetamines”, he explains. In fact, everything that is not ‘oily’. The other products, iron, vitamins for example, were injected in the buttocks, a place where there is enough ‘meat’. The injections in the arm are subcutaneous. You use small needles like insulin needles.”

That's what I am saying. A subutaneous injection would be the same place on your upper arm where you get a vaccine shot. Not in the big vain where Armstrong's mark is and where blood tests are done.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

That's what I am saying. A subutaneous injection would be the same place on your upper arm where you get a vaccine shot. Not in the big vain where Armstrong's mark is and where blood tests are done.

You have probably watched this a thousand times but since you like videos - watch where Lances former team-mate Kevin (another Ferrari customer) takes the blood from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QcIHRUELuY

 

[peloton]

They get blood tests all the time, of course. This photo looks off season to me so don't know why he would be messing with blood transfusions.

They don't inject EPO into a vein either. They shove it into a large bit of flesh like your thy or your shoulder. Same as injectable steroids.

clueless

 

[workingclasshero]

Lactate test's are done with a *** on the finger.

I can't help but think there's a joke at Sprocket's expense in there, somewhere.

aye, there's both a *** and a finger

Okay, just did some research.

most shocking news i've had all day. and my aunty died this morning

 

[Sprocket01]

I can't believe nobody here has had a blood test done before.

 

[Digger]

I can't believe nobody here has had a blood test done before.

Lol...Poor sprocket, aka BanProCycing, aka UnBanProcycling, aka The Arbiter, aka WonderLance.

 

[peloton]

I can't believe nobody here has had a blood test done before.

restated, clueless.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I can't believe nobody here has had a blood test done before.

Relax..... "Hope Rides Again"

 

[Sprocket01]

Athletes have them done all the time for hormone levels, lipid profiles and so on.

 

[python]

Lol...Poor sprocket, aka BanProCycing, aka UnBanProcycling, aka The Arbiter, aka WonderLance.

nah that fattened word abv is a different animal check it out.

 

[HoustonHammer]

armstrong’s weight pre and post cancer is indeed one of the most used and misused subjects.

any data derived from armstrong himself, his books or his coaches and promoters is suspect. read on..

[snip]

Thanks to everyone for the responses. This is pretty much what I thought. It's too bad, because I really want to believe in unicorns...

 

[rata de sentina]

Anderson assessment was- "He was a one day rider.I thought he could never, ever, win the Tour de France, even he thought he couldn't win the Tour. He couldn't climb and couldn't time-trial, two things you have to do to win the Tour."

When Liggett interviewed Anderson at this years tour the expression on Anderson's face was priceless when the subject of LA came up. Unfortunately, I was unable to later locate the vid of this interview as it was quite illuminating.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Relax..... "Hope Rides Again"

What, Bob? Have The Shack dug him up because he fits the team dynamic?

 

[IngoreBPC]

When Liggett interviewed Anderson at this years tour the expression on Anderson's face was priceless when the subject of LA came up. Unfortunately, I was unable to later locate the vid of this interview as it was quite illuminating.

Yes, I saw that too when it happened live on SBS in Aus. Would love to see video of that again: does anyone know if it's online somewhere?

 

[Galic Ho]

Be carefull with translation

Fignon was part of 1982 GIRO as team-mate of Hinault who did the double. Laurent finished 15th and 2nd young rider.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fignon
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France_1982
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_d'Italie_1982

Thanks for the info.

Fignon also did the 1983 Vuelta, a pretty tough one. He won a stage and finished 7th at 11'27" off Hinault.

Cheers for the above.

All adding to the good doctors and many others point. Natural quality is present at a young age, particularly GT specialists. Which, sadly is even harder to distinguish into today's world and cycling culture. Are they naturally that good or are they just on the right program? A difficult question to answer and often so only after someone is caught or confesses. It is a shame. For the riders sake and also the fans. Very few know the truth of such matters.

Berzin's post seems to fit the profile of both Carmichael and LA. Couldn't keep up, considered quitting and then the brass at Motorola agreed to a new program like the Italians and other European teams. At last the ego's could be feed with wins, fueling more doping. Team doctors changes and the old guard are dumped from the team in order to maintain a united front for the teams 'new direction'. A direction continued at Postal, only it was perfected. Emma O'Reilly said Lance winning in 1999 was no shock to the team. They all knew he'd win or podium at worst. Is it a travesty that the media did not challenge the TUE exemption and corticosteroid issue?

 

[Galic Ho]

Just looking at photos one can see this. Lance maybe lost 2lbs, at most, between 1995 and 1999. He actually seemed a good 5+ over that this year at the Giro, and still a bit heavy when the Tour started. See Race Radio's long post on I believe page 3 here for a better explanation.

Someone posted just before this that LA said he was 64kg in 1994 at LBL. No way! Not a chance he was 140 lbs. He would be 76 maybe 78kg max in his earlier days. This year he looked far more gaunt than any previous year. Not sure about the Giro, but for the Tour I think he looks like he touched 71 or 72 kilos. He looked thinner...the face tells more, than previous years. His legs, calfs, quads and hammies look like they have less fat than other years.

What was the name of that new drug that helps burn fat? AICAR right, that burns fat and builds muscle; ie, you loose weight at an already low body fat % (6-8) but get far stronger. This has been mentioned in other threads a few months back. It explains some riders loosing huge amounts of weight (we all know who apart from Lance) and (possibly) gaining muscle when they should not have been able to at their starting weight from last season. But we all know the real reason is those coeliac sufferers and their gluten free diets.

 

[Race Radio]

When Liggett interviewed Anderson at this years tour the expression on Anderson's face was priceless when the subject of LA came up. Unfortunately, I was unable to later locate the vid of this interview as it was quite illuminating.

That is interesting.

Phil was one of Armstrong's earliest mentors in all things pharmaceutical.

 

[Race Radio]

Someone posted just before this that LA said he was 64kg in 1994 at LBL. No way! Not a chance he was 140 lbs. He would be 76 maybe 78kg max in his earlier days. This year he looked far more gaunt than any previous year. Not sure about the Giro, but for the Tour I think he looks like he touched 71 or 72 kilos. He looked thinner...the face tells more, than previous years. His legs, calfs, quads and hammies look like they have less fat than other years.

What was the name of that new drug that helps burn fat? AICAR right, that burns fat and builds muscle; ie, you loose weight at an already low body fat % (6-8) but get far stronger. This has been mentioned in other threads a few months back. It explains some riders loosing huge amounts of weight (we all know who apart from Lance) and (possibly) gaining muscle when they should not have been able to at their starting weight from last season. But we all know the real reason is those coeliac sufferers and their gluten free diets.

I agree about the 64kilos. Armstrong's misdirection about his weight began early.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

That is interesting.

Phil was one of Armstrong's earliest mentors in all things pharmaceutical.

Phil was one of the few who was openly critical of Lance dropping out of the 1994 Tour.

 

[Race Radio]

Phil was one of the few who was openly critical of Lance dropping out of the 1994 Tour.

Wouldn't surprise me, Phil is seldom positive about anything

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

Wouldn't surprise me, Phil is seldom positive about anything

He was very positive about young Tex dropping out in 93, but if I recall correctly, Anderson felt that Armstrong should toughen the F up and finish the race in 94.