Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Richeypen]

You beat me to it! The resemblance is uncanny.

All the way down to the brown shorts

 

[Franklin]

Do you really think he hates them? He's good friends with Nicolas Portal. Kiryienka, Zandio and Lopez were his teammates of his for many years.

Those guys aren't Brittish^^

And yeah, I'm sure Valverde is okay with most Sky riders. But there's bad blood between him and Froome/Wiggins.

Consider the following:

1. The public 2012 TdF spat between Valverde and Sky.
2. The Olympics where the Italians (especially Nibali!) and Spaniards did everything just to let the English loose.

Then add in the callous interviews tarring Southeuropeans and the bizarre autobiography and you don't have to be a psycholgist to understand that they have very little F***s to give about Froome mumbliing about fair-play and respect.

 

[trevim]

2. The Olympics where the Italians (especially Nibali!) and Spaniards did everything just to let the English loose.

The English just got what they deserved: they lead everybody to believe that they would control the 260km race with 5 mens team and still win the sprint with Cav. That was just plain arrogant and no wonder that every other team tried to screw them over. Besides it's a race so it's normal that the biggest teams try and mess with each other.

 

[Parker]

Those guys aren't Brittish^^

And yeah, I'm sure Valverde is okay with most Sky riders. But there's bad blood between him and Froome/Wiggins.

Consider the following:

1. The public 2012 TdF spat between Valverde and Sky.
2. The Olympics where the Italians (especially Nibali!) and Spaniards did everything just to let the English loose.

Then add in the callous interviews tarring Southeuropeans and the bizarre autobiography and you don't have to be a psycholgist to understand that they have very little F***s to give about Froome mumbliing about fair-play and respect.

You're imaging it. They may have had a brief disagreement at one time. Surely Valverde would have a bigger feud with Belkin for the 2013 Tour echelon stage.

And as for Olympics, don't you think they may have been trying to win themselves. And I have no idea what interviews you're on about. Is Valverde furious with Froome for his two year ban?

 

[Angliru]

Gesink and Martin give two different 'witness statements', for want of a better phrase. Who knows what happened, but it shows that witness statements aren't particularly reliable.

Especially when of those statements isn't what you want to hear.

 

[elfed68]

Wow! That's a big pig, not British, definitely European?

 

[TANK91]

Tactically Froome is light years behind the Likes of Contador etc. He always relied on past of being strong and the team being strong and controlling the race/stages. Now that riders have elevated that level and also throwing in incredible tactical knowledge Froome is outclassed and deseprate. Showed at P-N for example and some others. Froome performs well within his own comfort zone, when he is out he is a totally different rider.

Get a few facts right when did Froome ride PNice?, also Froome is not Wiggins he does not need this super team you think he does. Attack him in the mountains and watch him ride away. Did you watch the TDF 13 he was countering in the flats when Movistar isolated him he had no team all day clearly if he lacked a brain he would have let them go and it would have been TDF over. You can only really say he as lost 1 race through tactics and that was Tirreno he was the strongest but lost.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

There's already a Carlos Betancur discussion thread.

 

[Colonel]

Get a few facts right when did Froome ride PNice?, also Froome is not Wiggins he does not need this super team you think he does. Attack him in the mountains and watch him ride away. Did you watch the TDF 13 he was countering in the flats when Movistar isolated him he had no team all day clearly if he lacked a brain he would have let them go and it would have been TDF over. You can only really say he as lost 1 race through tactics and that was Tirreno he was the strongest but lost.

Sorry Tank, was brain fade on my part I was actually reading something on P-N when I was typing. Honest mistake. Critérium du Dauphiné is what I was talking about and yes I did watch TDF and just cause a rider follows some wheels does not lay claim or prove he has tactical knowledge in anyway but then again you have just answered my previous post by you saying being the strongest and lost. If he was so strong and tactically good he wouldnt of lost.

Before he was clearly the strongest over the previous 2 years and so was his team, now other riders and teams have caught up and leveled the playing field and brought tactical sharpness into the mix and its a whole new ball game which he and Sky management are not used to and for the record, he does need his super team. Especially now.

I understand you a fanboy and I respect that. Dont stress, life goes on without Froome having much tactical knowledge.

 

[Helvellyn]

In the past Froome has tended to rely on following team mates and looking at his powermeter. There were a couple of examples where he chose to continue following a team mate after a rival attacked when it was obvious his team mate was not going be able to close it down. However, I'm not sure to what extent this came down to him racing the way he was trained to race by Sky - in other words, we did not get to see his tactical prowess because he just did what he was told.

This year Sky seemed to have learned that their old tactics are too rigid and won't cut it anymore. I'm not sure if they have simply given Froome more freedom or if they have trained him to race in a different way. Either way, he doesn't have the same sort of mountain train in this Vuelta as he's had in the past and he does seem to be responding to the fluid race situation much more dynamically. It's too early to say if his tactics have improved, but he does seem to be trying something different.

 

[PirazziAttacksVino]

Get a few facts right when did Froome ride PNice?, also Froome is not Wiggins he does not need this super team you think he does. Attack him in the mountains and watch him ride away. Did you watch the TDF 13 he was countering in the flats when Movistar isolated him he had no team all day clearly if he lacked a brain he would have let them go and it would have been TDF over. You can only really say he as lost 1 race through tactics and that was Tirreno he was the strongest but lost.

He didn't lose Tirreno because of tactics. And how can you say he was the strongest? He lost because Stage 6 proved out to be too much for him and his team.

 

[HappyLoser]

He didn't lose Tirreno because of tactics.

Come on, he made a lot of useless attacks on stage 2. He gained no time against AC but lost a lot of energy there...

 

[LaFlorecita]

Come on, he made a lot of useless attacks on stage 2. He gained no time against AC but lost a lot of energy there...

2013 Tirreno, not 2014 Dauphiné.

 

[Walkman]

Come on, he made a lot of useless attacks on stage 2. He gained no time against AC but lost a lot of energy there...

You are thinking of the Dauphine?

Also, Contador was spent that day so its not like Froome was the only one who lost energy.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

If you think Froomey lost the TA 13 because of tactics, you are one deluded individual.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If you think Froomey lost the TA 13 because of tactics, you are one deluded individual.

Not tactics, but he certainly didn't lose it based on strength.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Not tactics, but he certainly didn't lose it based on strength.

He lost it in an enviroment he couldnt handle.

 

[Rollthedice]

 

[phanatic]

If you think Froomey lost the TA 13 because of tactics, you are one deluded individual.

It was definitely tactics. He should have gained a lot more time on Prato di Tivo. Had he attacked with 3 or 4 km to go, he likely would have crushed his rivals and won the race. He was still chained to the Wiggins train, and it cost him yet another race.

Fortunately for him, he didn't make the same mistake on Ax-3, or Ventoux, else Quintana may have won that Tour.

 

[webvan]

Looks like Froomey is heading for a 2012 style Vuelta...

 

[cineteq]

Looks like Froomey is heading for a 2012 style Vuelta...

No surprise there.

 

[Pricey_sky]

As I said on the race thread, the Performance in Tuesdays TT will tell us all for Froome. If he is not in great form he won't be anywhere near as dominant.

 

[JRanton]

As I said on the race thread, the Performance in Tuesdays TT will tell us all for Froome. If he is not in great form he won't be anywhere near as dominant.

It doesn't look great. I can't see him recovering enough to be as good as he'll need to be in the TT. He was pretty banged up after that stage 7 crash, not too dissimilar to the damage suffered after the Dauphine fall.

 

[ILovecycling]

Looks like Froomey is heading for a 2012 style Vuelta...

lol he declined in 12' now he will improve,he is not fatigued,how is that even remotely similiar?

 

[TomekA]

You feel the worst 2-3 days after crash so maybe this is the reason.