Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[ray j willings]

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Contador rides like he's got one leg 6" shorter than the other

Perhaps the most insightful post ever on this forum.
Incredible analysis.
Do you have any scientific papers published?

I know you're understandably disappointed that your man has now gone six years without winning the world's biggest bike race but please don't take it out on fellow forum members.

It was a great win for Froome, but you have to admit that his form in this tour only confirms that his form at the Vuelta last year was as good as it gets. When he comes up against a strong Bertie or now a strong Quintana Froome will have to somehow improve if wants to beat them in GT.

like I said in a previous post a well deserved victory.

As I said in the Contador thread, neither were at 100 percent at that Vuelta and both deserve their respective GTs. We have not yet seen a 100 percent Contador vs a 100 percent Froome.

Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.

 

[JRanton]

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Contador rides like he's got one leg 6" shorter than the other

Perhaps the most insightful post ever on this forum.
Incredible analysis.
Do you have any scientific papers published?

I know you're understandably disappointed that your man has now gone six years without winning the world's biggest bike race but please don't take it out on fellow forum members.

It was a great win for Froome, but you have to admit that his form in this tour only confirms that his form at the Vuelta last year was as good as it gets. When he comes up against a strong Bertie or now a strong Quintana Froome will have to somehow improve if wants to beat them in GT.

like I said in a previous post a well deserved victory.

Don't be silly. We both know that Froome at that Vuelta was nowhere near his best level (remember his time trial!). Neither was Contador for that matter. The 2014 Tour would have been the best battle between the two of them but sadly they both crashed out.

 

[Hayabusa]

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Froome was coming back from his crash in the last TDF. You are kidding yourself if you think he was at 100% in that Vuelta...

 

[JRanton]

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Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.

Are we just going to forget Froome's nasty crash at that Dauphine? I'm surprised a Berty fanboy has chosen this day of all day's to try and troll in a Froome thread.

It's 2-2 in TdF's now (the only one that really matters). Next year Froome is going to make it 3-2 and we will all know who the real 'great one' is.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.

Are we just going to forget Froome's nasty crash at that Dauphine? I'm surprised a Berty fanboy has chosen this day of all day's to try and troll in a Froome thread.

It's 2-2 in TdF's (the only one that really matters). Next year Froome is going to make it 3-2 and we will all know who the real 'great one' is.

There we go again. FFS JRanton, why are you so bitter?! Showing your true colors.

About Froome's Dauphiné crash, it was no worse than any of the crashes Contador had this year. Can we use those crashes as an excuse for his sub-par performance?

 

[Hayabusa]

Suggest you stop the childish bickering... Keep it on topic cause this really is not cool.Personally attacking other members is not acceptable.

(This goes to both sides)

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.

Are we just going to forget Froome's nasty crash at that Dauphine? I'm surprised a dirty Berty fanboy has chosen this day of all day's to try and troll in a Froome thread.

It's 2-2 in TdF's (the only one that really matters). Next year Froome is going to make it 3-2 and we will all know who the real 'great one' is.

There we go again. FFS JRanton, why are you so bitter?! Showing your true colors.

About Froome's Dauphiné crash, it was no worse than any of the crashes Contador had this year. Can we use those crashes as an excuse for his sub-par performance?

He's just expressing his opinion - what's wrong with that? It's pretty obvious that ray is just here to troll.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that Froome is better at recovering from injuries than Contador

 

[djpbaltimore]

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Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.

He found form in the third week, but look at the first 2 weeks. That was not Froome anywhere near 100%. There is a word for what you are doing in this forum today and it begins with a T.....

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.

Are we just going to forget Froome's nasty crash at that Dauphine? I'm surprised a dirty Berty fanboy has chosen this day of all day's to try and troll in a Froome thread.

It's 2-2 in TdF's (the only one that really matters). Next year Froome is going to make it 3-2 and we will all know who the real 'great one' is.

There we go again. FFS JRanton, why are you so bitter?! Showing your true colors.

About Froome's Dauphiné crash, it was no worse than any of the crashes Contador had this year. Can we use those crashes as an excuse for his sub-par performance?

He's just expressing his opinion - what's wrong with that? It's pretty obvious that ray is just here to troll.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that Froome is better at recovering from injuries than Contador

1. "Dirty Berty fanboy" - I believe this is not allowed as per the forum rules - no Clinic nicknames in the PRR section.
2. This is one of the many rude posts JRanton has made about Froome's rivals and the fans of those rivals in the past month or so. He comes across as very bitter while he used to be a very sensible poster IMO. One of my favorites, actually.
3. I am not sure what you're getting at re: recovery, I asked JRanton is we could use Contador's crashes as an excuse for his sub-par performance because JRanton used Froome's Dauphiné crash as an excuse for his sub-par performance in that race.

 

[fungusbear]

Great, well deserved victory. Strongest rider (bar Peter Sagan) for the first 18 stages in the race and although I dislike his style and team tactics he seems like a really nice guy. Nice touch also to mention each team mate individually in his speech too. Can't wait for him, Contador and Nairo to go toe to toe at 100% condition next year.

PS hope he goes to la vuelta

 

[PremierAndrew]

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He's just expressing his opinion - what's wrong with that? It's pretty obvious that ray is just here to troll.

And I don't think anyone is suggesting that Froome is better at recovering from injuries than Contador

1. "Dirty Berty fanboy" - I believe this is not allowed as per the forum rules - no Clinic nicknames in the PRR section.
2. This is one of the many rude posts JRanton has made about Froome's rivals and the fans of those rivals in the past month or so. He comes across as very bitter while he used to be a very sensible poster IMO. One of my favorites, actually.
3. I am not sure what you're getting at re: recovery, I asked JRanton is we could use Contador's crashes as an excuse for his sub-par performance because JRanton used Froome's Dauphiné crash as an excuse for his sub-par performance in that race.

Well Froome's crash in that dauphine completely destroyed him, as before that, CF seemed to be better than AC. Meanwhile, AC didn't seemed to be affected as badly with his dislocated shoulder (which he exaggerated anyway - if he was really hurt badly, he would definitely try to hide it). But anyway, there's no way that affected his tour - it was just a result of his fatigue from the giro overall.

As for the Vuelta last year, well imo, Contador trained a lot harder for it than Froome did, who did turn up wanting to win, but his primary objective seemed to be to get a GT in his legs in preparation for this year (a bit like how he's going to do the Vuelta again this year). But anyway, once they turned up, AC beat CF fair and square, just like CF did to AC in 2013 (and AC's 2012 win was a bit like CF's 2015 win - main rival attempting double and ultimately unable to challenge)

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Well Froome's crash in that dauphine completely destroyed him, as before that, CF seemed to be better than AC. Meanwhile, AC didn't seemed to be affected as badly with his dislocated shoulder (which he exaggerated anyway - if he was really hurt badly, he would definitely try to hide it). But anyway, there's no way that affected his tour - it was just a result of his fatigue from the giro overall.

As for the Vuelta last year, well imo, Contador trained a lot harder for it than Froome did, who did turn up wanting to win, but his primary objective seemed to be to get a GT in his legs in preparation for this year (a bit like how he's going to do the Vuelta again this year). But anyway, once they turned up, AC beat CF fair and square, just like CF did to AC in 2013 (and AC's 2012 win was a bit like CF's 2015 win - main rival attempting double and ultimately unable to challenge)

I replied to this post in the AC thread, feel free to check it out and continue the discussion there, or ignore it if you wish

 

[jmdirt]

Congrats Mr. Froome!

 

[Taxus4a]

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As I said in the Contador thread, neither were at 100 percent at that Vuelta and both deserve their respective GTs. We have not yet seen a 100 percent Contador vs a 100 percent Froome.[/quote]

Why was Froome not 100% at the Vuelta. He had a 3rd week that was as strong as the tour. He cannot and has never done any better in a third week. He always has bad days. Bertie beat him in the tt so he had no advantage there as he expected.
Up against a Bertie on form, Froome knows , like he found out at the Dauphine that his early crazy attack only wastes his own energy.[/quote]

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When has Froome said he was in any moment of la Vuelta that he was as strong than in le Tour?
Obviously he wanst, he was in la Vueltta just thinking in this Tour, no more... of course he is a competive rider and he like, as alberto, win everything, and he never gave up, even droping Alberto when to follow wheels wanst so important ,as Camperona.

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/sky-boss-brailsford-already-thinking-about-2015-tour-gc
Froome may not lead Team Sky in the Vuelta but Brailsford thinks his star man needs miles in his legs for battles to come.

Chris Froome back in training, looking towards Vuelta a Espana

July 24, 2014 (I add similar date Contador started to train in Suisse)

Team Sky manager Dave Brailsford says they'd like Chris Froome to ride this year's Vuelta a Espana whatever his condition

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/vuelta-a-espana/chris-froome-crashes-vuelta-espana-training-ride-133577#xvhLkdCUHSFSJTfU.99

“Chris is going to give 100 percent of what he’s got. That might mean it’s 80 percent of what he had before his crash at the Tour,” Brailsford told VeloNews.

“He’s consistent. He’ll fight with what he’s got. There is no pressure on him. Why not try to enjoy it, have some fun?”

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/08/news/pressure-chris-froome-2014-vuelta-espana_342355#1HyHRIm3KH1p1Jqm.99

 

[LaFlorecita]

Taxus posted
Team Sky manager Dave Brailsford says they'd like Chris Froome to ride this year's Vuelta a Espana whatever his condition

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/vuelta-a-espana/chris-froome-crashes-vuelta-espana-training-ride-133577#xvhLkdCUHSFSJTfU.99

“Chris is going to give 100 percent of what he’s got. That might mean it’s 80 percent of what he had before his crash at the Tour,” Brailsford told VeloNews.

“He’s consistent. He’ll fight with what he’s got. There is no pressure on him. Why not try to enjoy it, have some fun?”
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Brailsford says no pressure on Froome - well remember that Tinkoff-Saxo and Contador himself said he would try to claim a stage win and that it would be unrealistic to expect him to fight for the overall win. By your logic, because they said so, it must be true and Contador was in really bad shape?

 

[Taxus4a]

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Taxus posted
Team Sky manager Dave Brailsford says they'd like Chris Froome to ride this year's Vuelta a Espana whatever his condition

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/vuelta-a-espana/chris-froome-crashes-vuelta-espana-training-ride-133577#xvhLkdCUHSFSJTfU.99

“Chris is going to give 100 percent of what he’s got. That might mean it’s 80 percent of what he had before his crash at the Tour,” Brailsford told VeloNews.

“He’s consistent. He’ll fight with what he’s got. There is no pressure on him. Why not try to enjoy it, have some fun?”
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Brailsford says no pressure on Froome - well remember that Tinkoff-Saxo and Contador himself said he would try to claim a stage win and that it would be unrealistic to expect him to fight for the overall win. By your logic, because they said so, it must be true and Contador was in really bad shape?

Contador and Tinkoff have any credibility in his statements, they used to lie.
Froome has neved proven to lie, Contador has several times.

Contador has a big merit for that, but the evidence is that he was training hard ine minth before the Vuelta.

All that stuff about his knee is not an argument for me.. he had an injury, but far for a broken bone and froome has 2.

An injury that the best would have been to be 1 month out of the bike, and he did just 2 weeks, good for him, I aplause, but in the rest he, his team, Mortadelo Vidarte and all the rest lie.

 

[Afrank]

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Suggest you stop the childish bickering... Keep it on topic cause this really is not cool.Personally attacking other members is not acceptable.

(This goes to both sides)

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Everyone cool down with the bickering and stay on topic. And remember the references to doping are only aloud in the clinic.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Taxus posted
Team Sky manager Dave Brailsford says they'd like Chris Froome to ride this year's Vuelta a Espana whatever his condition

Read more at http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/vuelta-a-espana/chris-froome-crashes-vuelta-espana-training-ride-133577#xvhLkdCUHSFSJTfU.99

“Chris is going to give 100 percent of what he’s got. That might mean it’s 80 percent of what he had before his crash at the Tour,” Brailsford told VeloNews.

“He’s consistent. He’ll fight with what he’s got. There is no pressure on him. Why not try to enjoy it, have some fun?”
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Brailsford says no pressure on Froome - well remember that Tinkoff-Saxo and Contador himself said he would try to claim a stage win and that it would be unrealistic to expect him to fight for the overall win. By your logic, because they said so, it must be true and Contador was in really bad shape?

Contador and Tinkoff have any credibility in his statements, they used to lie.
Froome has neved proven to lie, Contador has several times.

Contador and Tinkoff were lying but not Sky and Froome . HAHAAAHAHAAHAHHA

You really see what you wanna see, holy sh,it bias and hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Vasilis]

Quintana looking at Froome's stem and Froome's proud of it
Sagan is unhappy that his stem doesn't look as good as Froome's while Bardet envies Quintana's

 

[del1962]

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Quintana looking at Froome's stem and Froome's proud of it
Sagan is unhappy that his stem doesn't look as good as Froome's while Bardet envies Quintana's

Who is the Cofidis rider with the beard who seems completely peed off by all this looking at stems?

 

[cantpedal]

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Contador rides like he's got one leg 6" shorter than the other

My right leg is 2 inch shorter than the left leg...bet i can beat your candy ass anytime.

all of mine are the same length....... that's why I cant pedal

 

[sienna]

Do Kenyans get knighthoods?

 

[movingtarget]

Well done to Froome. It was never really in doubt after gaining a three minute gap but hats off to Quintana for not giving up. His win will come in the future. Very entertaining race this year.

 

[Aboottarren]

Congratulations Chris Froome on your second win TDF. Being a born & bred Kenyan they will be as proud of you as they are over their MANY world champion athletes.........Why are the poms allowed to claim him as English???

 

[Pricey_sky]

Congratulations Chris Froome on your second win TDF. Being a born & bred Kenyan they will be as proud of you as they are over their MANY world champion athletes.........Why are the poms allowed to claim him as English???

We don't, he claims himself to be British (not English by the way). He has British parents and grandparents.