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SeriousSam said:
It's been quite a long time since he had a dominant time trial performance (was it beating Tony at Romandie 2014?), but I would not be shocked if he rapidly gets back to being one of the best time trial specialists in the world.

Since he's amongst the best in the world when it comes to steep shortish ramps at the finish too, it's really all about recovery.
Yes I agree, im not sure whether the slight illness he picked up towards the end of the Tour will hinder him too, he had to go very deep into his reserves especially on the Alpe and that can take its toll.
 
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
 
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dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
 
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Taxus4a said:
dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
What a lame excuse. You do know that pacing yourself is part of "knowing how" to do a time trial...
 
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I am looking forward to Froome doing the Vuelta. It demonstrates his ambition to bekomme one of the great GT racers and not "only" a multiple Tour winner. Even though my money is on Quintana for the win, I would love to see Froome taking the double "en passant" - whereas some other dude has talked about a double for over a year, won his GT against a rather weak field and failed to deliver at the Tour.
 
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Jspear said:
Taxus4a said:
dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
What a lame excuse. You do know that pacing yourself is part of "knowing how" to do a time trial...
In what sense is that en excuse? And, an excuse for what?

He is stating a fact, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Geez..
 
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AStiller said:
I am looking forward to Froome doing the Vuelta. It demonstrates his ambition to bekomme one of the great GT racers and not "only" a multiple Tour winner. Even though my money is on Quintana for the win, I would love to see Froome taking the double "en passant" - whereas some other dude has talked about a double for over a year, won his GT against a rather weak field and failed to deliver at the Tour.
but that other dude gave Froome a beating all last year....
That other dude beat Astana virtually single handed. Froome would have lost minutes in the third week of the giro against Astana riding so aggressive ,Froome hung on for his life in the 3rd week against Movie. If that was the Astana Giro team ,Froome could have kissed his tour win goodbye.
That other dude went the 3rd week of the tour putting in attacks. He is a racer unlike Froome. [ not scared to lose]
That other dude beat Quintana in a small stage race just before the tour.
That other dude made quite clear his plans form the start of the season.
Froome did not race the Giro why not? where's his ambition? Cluck cluck. :D

You know whats coming next year...Bertie just opting to win the tour. Froome will get another beating like he did all through 2014.....

just to remind you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

enjoy :D
 
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Walkman said:
Jspear said:
Taxus4a said:
dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
What a lame excuse. You do know that pacing yourself is part of "knowing how" to do a time trial...
In what sense is that en excuse? And, an excuse for what?

He is stating a fact, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Geez..
It's an excuse because he got beat in a TT . A rider could say anything " I went off to fast /to slow etc Froome his a great TT rider . Sky/ him would have done their home work its an excuse......Instead of being gracious he has to make excuses....no class.
 
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ray j willings said:
Walkman said:
Jspear said:
Taxus4a said:
dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
What a lame excuse. You do know that pacing yourself is part of "knowing how" to do a time trial...
In what sense is that en excuse? And, an excuse for what?

He is stating a fact, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Geez..
It's an excuse because he got beat in a TT . A rider could say anything " I went off to fast /to slow etc Froome his a great TT rider . Sky/ him would have done their home work its an excuse......Instead of being gracious he has to make excuses....no class.
You clearly don't understand anything about cycling, nor about human interaction.

Saying he went off too fast is not an excuse, he is admitting that HE made a mistake. That isn't an excuse, that's accepting that he screwed up.
 
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dacooley said:
ray j to be honest i сannot help but laugh reading your posts. :) froome is fantastic bike rider given what amount of attention from the other rider's fan he gets. :p

Loads of riders get attention Check the Bertie thread or the countless other rider threads.
Saying he went out to fast when we all know Sky are the high tech team who have every angle covered is a load of nonsense.. did he not rec the course In a major race? no excuse.

I have never said Froome is a not a great rider. He his very good but ,,,no wind split and he would not have won the tour. He was not the best climber and had to hang on for dear life and he did a great job.
If you want to laugh that's fine. I'm glad you find facts funny ;)

Truth is all you Froome fans will be desperate for some long TT's or lucky wind splits because he can't win any other way against Quintana and against a 90% Bertie .....HE CANT WIN :D
 
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ray j willings said:
dacooley said:
ray j to be honest i сannot help but laugh reading your posts. :) froome is fantastic bike rider given what amount of attention from the other rider's fan he gets. :p

Loads of riders get attention Check the Bertie thread or the countless other rider threads.
Saying he went out to fast when we all know Sky are the high tech team who have every angle covered is a load of nonsense.. did he not rec the course In a major race? no excuse.

I have never said Froome is a not a great rider. He his very good but ,,,no wind split and he would not have won the tour. He was not the best climber and had to hang on for dear life and he did a great job.
If you want to laugh that's fine. I'm glad you find facts funny

Truth is all you Froome fans will be desperate for some long TT's or lucky wind splits because he can't win any other way against Quintana and against a 90% Bertie .....HE CANT WIN :D
that's not quite correct to judge about the single events in the race post factum as you never know for sure how the race would have developed if froome didn't take those 1.30 out of the blue. Still this circumstance does not devalue his success in any way. in the vuelta 2014 he laid an egg in the time trial, contador rood a great tt and took advantage of froome's mistake. in this tour quintana showed weakness not being at the most important moment of the 2nd stage. sport is always about playing one's strong qualities and using rivals' mistakes.

as to the second part you said the same many many times before the tour. :D alright, you may hate him in million ways but does it make him weaker as a rider? ;)
 
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ray j willings said:
Walkman said:
Jspear said:
Taxus4a said:
dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
What a lame excuse. You do know that pacing yourself is part of "knowing how" to do a time trial...
In what sense is that en excuse? And, an excuse for what?

He is stating a fact, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Geez..
It's an excuse because he got beat in a TT . A rider could say anything " I went off to fast /to slow etc Froome his a great TT rider . Sky/ him would have done their home work its an excuse......Instead of being gracious he has to make excuses....no class.
So saying that he was weaker would also be an excuse?
Cycling is about strength and about tactics and both are important. Saying you made a tactical mistake is basically the same like saying you wasnt as strong as another rider. Someone was simply better than you, no matter if in a tactical way or in a "powerful" way (I don't really know how to say that, but I think you get what I mean)
 
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Walkman said:
Jspear said:
Taxus4a said:
dacooley said:
i don't expect froome to get his cosmic tt level back in such a short time but all he needs in the vuelta chrono is just putting some seconds on likes of quintana, aru and landa which seems almost unavoidable.
And why not?

At the end of la Vuelta the imporrtant will be the energy you have, It is a good ITT for him
This year we dont have references, just 2 short ITT, one with the rain in Romandia and le Tourthat wanst a good reference as well.

But we have the impresionant TTT SKY did in le Tour and how he was the strongest.

Last year Froome did a mistake in the ITT of la Vuelta, he started too strong and he cracked at the end of the climb, although he recovered later. But this year the ITT is at the end.

In stages as Andorra or Alba he shoud lose time, but in the rest I dont expect him losing time, more putting, especially in the ITT.
What a lame excuse. You do know that pacing yourself is part of "knowing how" to do a time trial...
In what sense is that en excuse? And, an excuse for what?

He is stating a fact, plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Geez..
Taxus has a way of exalting everything "good" that Froome does and then explaining away any poor performance from Froome. My post was directed at Taxus, knowing his posting history - Taxus trying to explain every problem away is what is lame.
 
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dacooley said:
ray j willings said:
dacooley said:
ray j to be honest i сannot help but laugh reading your posts. :) froome is fantastic bike rider given what amount of attention from the other rider's fan he gets. :p

Loads of riders get attention Check the Bertie thread or the countless other rider threads.
Saying he went out to fast when we all know Sky are the high tech team who have every angle covered is a load of nonsense.. did he not rec the course In a major race? no excuse.

I have never said Froome is a not a great rider. He his very good but ,,,no wind split and he would not have won the tour. He was not the best climber and had to hang on for dear life and he did a great job.
If you want to laugh that's fine. I'm glad you find facts funny

Truth is all you Froome fans will be desperate for some long TT's or lucky wind splits because he can't win any other way against Quintana and against a 90% Bertie .....HE CANT WIN :D
that's not quite correct to judge about the single events in the race post factum as you never know for sure how the race would have developed if froome didn't take those 1.30 out of the blue. Still this circumstance does not devalue his success in any way. in the vuelta 2014 he laid an egg in the time trial, contador rood a great tt and took advantage of froome's mistake. in this tour quintana showed weakness not being at the most important moment of the 2nd stage. sport is always about playing one's strong qualities and using rivals' mistakes.

as to the second part you said the same many many times before the tour. alright, you may hate him in million ways but does it make him weaker as a rider?
I don't hate any rider's except

BOSWELL DEIGNAN, EARLE, EISEL,FENN,FROOME,KENNAUGH,KIRYIENKA, KNEES, KöNIG, LOPEZ GARCIA, NIEVE,
NORDHAUG,PATE, POELS,PORTE, THOMAS etc etc you get the idea ,,,,,,and Ned Boulting :D

taxus " its a joke" except Ned Boulting
 
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ray j willings said:
Truth is all you Froome fans will be desperate for some long TT's or lucky wind splits because he can't win any other way against Quintana and against a 90% Bertie .....HE CANT WIN :D
So predictable. Called it

viewtopic.php?p=1788044#p1788044

"Be prepared, Ray is gearing up to make the argument that a weakened Contador beat a 100% Froome, but Froome has never beaten a 100% Contador. Yawwnnnnn."
 
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djpbaltimore said:
ray j willings said:
Truth is all you Froome fans will be desperate for some long TT's or lucky wind splits because he can't win any other way against Quintana and against a 90% Bertie .....HE CANT WIN :D
So predictable. Called it

viewtopic.php?p=1788044#p1788044

"Be prepared, Ray is gearing up to make the argument that a weakened Contador beat a 100% Froome, but Froome has never beaten a 100% Contador. Yawwnnnnn."
Ray j is actually gearing up to have a cup of tea and some chocolate and then get the kids to bed and then watch some late night TV with my kung fu wife.
 
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Billie said:
Froome was riding a crit today. Not exactly good prep for la vuelta
The post tour crits aren't taken seriously. Probably used as much effort as you might on a recovery ride. Shouldn't affect anything.
 
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Afrank said:
Billie said:
Froome was riding a crit today. Not exactly good prep for la vuelta
The post tour crits aren't taken seriously. Probably used as much effort as you might on a recovery ride. Shouldn't affect anything.
I think they still require a bit more energy than a recovery ride though. This recent article from the secret pro said the amateurs in the cirts go full gas to try and impress :

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/08/the-secret-pro-post-tour-crits-worlds-and-the-farce-that-is-the-iaaf/
 
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