Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[dacooley]

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probably froome wouldn't start if he felt he stand to chance to win. i expect him to perform as well as alberto in the tour at the least

What would be "perform as well as alberto in the tour" in your opinion?

5th place overall or better

 

[LaFlorecita]

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probably froome wouldn't start if he felt he stand to chance to win. i expect him to perform as well as alberto in the tour at the least

What would be "perform as well as alberto in the tour" in your opinion?

5th place overall or better

Imo a 5th place at the Tour is a better performance than 5th place at the Vuelta

 

[TMP402]

Froome doing testing

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-begins-physiological-testing-ahead-of-vuelta-a-espaa/

Another distraction from Vuelta prep. Beginning to think he's mainly there to prepare for the Tour.

 

[Billie]

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Froome was riding a crit today. Not exactly good prep for la vuelta

The post tour crits aren't taken seriously. Probably used as much effort as you might on a recovery ride. Shouldn't affect anything.

They ride quite fast. And it's not about riding but everything else. Froome if he takes la Vuelta seriously should be resting and a bit of training. Crits mean lots of travel, lots of time for the fans. Drinking a beer for the pic etc etc... It's a really bad prep.

 

[Taxus4a]

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probably froome wouldn't start if he felt he stand to chance to win. i expect him to perform as well as alberto in the tour at the least

What would be "perform as well as alberto in the tour" in your opinion?

5th place overall or better

out od the podium would be a bad result for him. of course. He is in the Vuelta to win, he i the favourite, although he has no preasure, it i the forst time someone race a GT after to win le Tour, and if he do 30th his year is still great.

 

[DBotero]

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 21m21 minutes ago
Replicating possible conditions for @Rio2016_en road race & TT. #RoadtoRio starts here!

 

[TMP402]

Another distraction.

 

[Vasilis]

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I am looking forward to Froome doing the Vuelta. It demonstrates his ambition to bekomme one of the great GT racers and not "only" a multiple Tour winner. Even though my money is on Quintana for the win, I would love to see Froome taking the double "en passant" - whereas some other dude has talked about a double for over a year, won his GT against a rather weak field and failed to deliver at the Tour.

but that other dude gave Froome a beating all last year....
That other dude beat Astana virtually single handed. Froome would have lost minutes in the third week of the giro against Astana riding so aggressive ,Froome hung on for his life in the 3rd week against Movie. If that was the Astana Giro team ,Froome could have kissed his tour win goodbye.
That other dude went the 3rd week of the tour putting in attacks. He is a racer unlike Froome. [ not scared to lose]
That other dude beat Quintana in a small stage race just before the tour.
That other dude made quite clear his plans form the start of the season.
Froome did not race the Giro why not? where's his ambition? Cluck cluck.

You know whats coming next year...Bertie just opting to win the tour. Froome will get another beating like he did all through 2014.....

just to remind you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

enjoy

Pay attention, Froome fell ill in the final week of the Tour, as did some of his teammates. I also think not scared to lose is something different from desperation. If you're already in a losing position, you can only win. Froome did have something to lose, and he didn't. He didn't ride the Giro, because his team wanted him, and want him in the future, to focus on the Tour. The Giro does not fit into that picture. Sky had a lot of bad luck last year, with crashes and illness. Froome crashed. Thomas crashed. Henao crashed. Stannard crashed. Boasson Hagen crashed. Porte fell ill. Froome fell ill. Kennaugh fell ill. Dombrowski had knee problems. Henao was also out for other reasons. Contador had a good season, despite his bad luck. And I wouldn't call beating Froome twice 'all through the season', certainly when one was due to a crash (go on, deny it). Just because Froome has different goals to Contador does not mean he's not ambitious, the upcoming Vuelta proves it. You're just grasping at straws to bash on Froome. Then I'd still like to add that that other dude beat Quintana in a small stage race just before the tour on a descent.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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probably froome wouldn't start if he felt he stand to chance to win. i expect him to perform as well as alberto in the tour at the least

What would be "perform as well as alberto in the tour" in your opinion?

5th place overall or better

Imo a 5th place at the Tour is a better performance than 5th place at the Vuelta

In terms of prestige yes, but I think the Vuelta field is much more competitive than the Tour. All the main players in the tour are there bar Alberto plus we have Aru, Landa a stronger Nibali and Pozzovivo. Also guys like Valverde and Purito are nearly always stronger a the Vuelta.

I'd be fairly happy with a stage win and podium for Froome, but I feel that may be difficult enough.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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probably froome wouldn't start if he felt he stand to chance to win. i expect him to perform as well as alberto in the tour at the least

What would be "perform as well as alberto in the tour" in your opinion?

5th place overall or better

Imo a 5th place at the Tour is a better performance than 5th place at the Vuelta

In terms of prestige yes, but I think the Vuelta field is much more competitive than the Tour. All the main players in the tour are there bar Alberto plus we have Aru, Landa a stronger Nibali and Pozzovivo. Also guys like Valverde and Purito are nearly always stronger a the Vuelta.

I'd be fairly happy with a stage win and podium for Froome, but I feel that may be difficult enough.

But Contador raced against riders who were fresh while Froome is riding against riders who are no longer fresh just like him? that is one of the reasons why the Giro-Tour double is harder than the Tour-Vuelta double.
I'd say that to match Contador's Tour performance, Froome would have to finish on the podium at least.
By the way, in that picture posted above it seems he has gained quite some weight

 

[Rollthedice]

He is merely riding Vuelta as part of the Sky propaganda master plan to make him look human. And he finally reached 67.5 kg as seen in that photo from the test lab.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He is merely riding Vuelta as part of the Sky propaganda master plan to make him look human. And he finally reached 67.5 kg as seen in that photo from the test lab.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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But Contador raced against riders who were fresh while Froome is riding against riders who are no longer fresh just like him? that is one of the reasons why the Giro-Tour double is harder than the Tour-Vuelta double.
I'd say that to match Contador's Tour performance, Froome would have to finish on the podium at least.
By the way, in that picture posted above it seems he has gained quite some weight

Yes I agree, Contador had a much tougher job against an in-form Froome and Quintana a the Tour. At the Vuelta it should be who has recovered best from their Giro or Tour efforts.

It may just be the camera but it does indeed look like he has put on weight.

 

[TMP402]

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But Contador raced against riders who were fresh while Froome is riding against riders who are no longer fresh just like him? that is one of the reasons why the Giro-Tour double is harder than the Tour-Vuelta double.
I'd say that to match Contador's Tour performance, Froome would have to finish on the podium at least.
By the way, in that picture posted above it seems he has gained quite some weight

Yes I agree, Contador had a much tougher job against an in-form Froome and Quintana a the Tour. At the Vuelta it should be who has recovered best from their Giro or Tour efforts.

It may just be the camera but it does indeed look like he has put on weight.

Putting weight on at the Tour is possible.

 

[JRanton]

Are Contador fanboys/girls going to spend the entire Vuelta hating on Froome?

Although we're still waiting to see if their hero will line up at the start or not. What a drama queen he is. Such a tedious man.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Are Contador fanboys/girls going to spend the entire Vuelta hating on Froome?

Although we're still waiting to see if their hero will line up at the start or not. What a drama queen he is. Such a tedious man.

JRanton I don't see where anyone was hating on Froome.
Contador will not start as he has said multiple times. It was the press and fans on social media who started speculating. Contador stated from the start he has no intention to defend his title so please do not blame him for the actions of some journalists and fans.

 

[TMP402]

Are Contador fanboys/girls going to spend the entire Vuelta hating on Froome?

Although we're still waiting to see if their hero will line up at the start or not. What a drama queen he is. Such a tedious man.

Yes.

 

[dacooley]

it's entirely logical that bertie fans who mostly strongly dislike froome fear the perspective of the tour-vuelta double. big fans always want their rider's exceptionality to remain completely untouchable and froome (god forbid he'll win the vuelta) obviously is a foreign body in this system of values. onto difficulty of the different doubles they are equally hard to accomplish imo. yes, the vuelta is the competition between the riders who did a gt before in the season but the giro often brings much weaker field. only imagine how easily contador could have won this year giro providing he had been in the giro 2011 form. that could've been the effect of wolf breaking into the coop. the giro can be won in a canter and it's way harder with the tour as a rule.

 

[Gigs_98]

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it's entirely logical that bertie fans who mostly strongly dislike froome fear the perspective of the tour-vuelta double. big fans always want their rider's exceptionality to remain completely untouchable and froome (god forbid he'll win the vuelta) obviously is a foreign body in this system of values. onto difficulty of the different doubles they are equally hard to accomplish imo. yes, the vuelta is the competition between the riders who did a gt before in the season but the giro often brings much weaker field. only imagine how easily contador could have won this year giro providing he had been in the giro 2011 form. that could've been the effect of wolf breaking into the coop. the giro can be won in a canter and it's way harder with the tour as a rule.

yeah...or they just don't like him

 

[Walkman]

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But Contador raced against riders who were fresh while Froome is riding against riders who are no longer fresh just like him? that is one of the reasons why the Giro-Tour double is harder than the Tour-Vuelta double.
I'd say that to match Contador's Tour performance, Froome would have to finish on the podium at least.
By the way, in that picture posted above it seems he has gained quite some weight

Yes I agree, Contador had a much tougher job against an in-form Froome and Quintana a the Tour. At the Vuelta it should be who has recovered best from their Giro or Tour efforts.

It may just be the camera but it does indeed look like he has put on weight.

Putting weight on at the Tour is possible.

Yeah, but after the Tour is more likely in his case. A strict diet probably isn't the best thing in order to recover from a grand Tour hence it seems rather natural that you would gain some weight after the tour. Probably aiming to ride himself into form like last year to avoid being depleted halfway into the race as in 2012.

 

[happytramp]

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it's entirely logical that bertie fans who mostly strongly dislike froome fear the perspective of the tour-vuelta double. big fans always want their rider's exceptionality to remain completely untouchable and froome (god forbid he'll win the vuelta) obviously is a foreign body in this system of values. onto difficulty of the different doubles they are equally hard to accomplish imo. yes, the vuelta is the competition between the riders who did a gt before in the season but the giro often brings much weaker field. only imagine how easily contador could have won this year giro providing he had been in the giro 2011 form. that could've been the effect of wolf breaking into the coop. the giro can be won in a canter and it's way harder with the tour as a rule.

yeah...or they just don't like him

In a nutshell that's the reason why... almost everything else is made up to reinforce their belief..... Same goes for most fans in most sports.

 

[Taxus4a]

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it's entirely logical that bertie fans who mostly strongly dislike froome fear the perspective of the tour-vuelta double. big fans always want their rider's exceptionality to remain completely untouchable and froome (god forbid he'll win the vuelta) obviously is a foreign body in this system of values. onto difficulty of the different doubles they are equally hard to accomplish imo. yes, the vuelta is the competition between the riders who did a gt before in the season but the giro often brings much weaker field. only imagine how easily contador could have won this year giro providing he had been in the giro 2011 form. that could've been the effect of wolf breaking into the coop. the giro can be won in a canter and it's way harder with the tour as a rule.

But the plus is that if you win le Tour, you have a lot of compromises and it is difficult to rest and gert ready for La Vuelta.

When Hinault and anquetil won Tour and Vuelta, Vuelta was previous to le Tour.

 

[portugal11]

giro-tour is more difficult because in the tour you face better riders than in the giro and they are in the best shape possible. la vuelta is always the second gt for many riders

 

[Taxus4a]

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giro-tour is more difficult because in the tour you face better riders than in the giro and they are in the best shape possible. la vuelta is always the second gt for many riders

So you think is easier to beat Aru now for Froome who came to le Tour and all the post Tour than for Contador who was the same rest and well prepared than Aru for il Giro?

So you think is easy to beat Quintana, Valverde, Nibali than Aru, Landa, Amador? Is it more difficult the beat the domestiques than the leaders?

Seriously?

Of course Mortirolo and Finestre are very hard climbs, but the stage of Andorra is harder than Mortirolo one. Anyway the route is not what made more demanding a race.

Pozzovivo didnt race all the Giro, so he must be very fresh, he has done very good Vueltas, even one of the best in the ITT, but I think that Froome fear more Valverde, who has raced a lot this year, including le Tour, than Pozzo.

My doubst with Quintana, who is my favourite for Andorra stage, is that he is young and it is the first time he do a double in a row...Froome paid that the first time, it is always a problem when you body face that the first time. I think is not a big problem in the second time, but likely will be a problem for Quintana...

As well it is not notmal to be second in your fisrt GT and more if is le Tour... and he did, so, you never know.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

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giro-tour is more difficult because in the tour you face better riders than in the giro and they are in the best shape possible. la vuelta is always the second gt for many riders

So you think is easier to beat Aru now for Froome who came to le Tour and all the post Tour than for Contador who was the same rest and well prepared than Aru for il Giro?

So you think is easy to beat Quintana, Valverde, Nibali than Aru, Landa, Amador? Is it more difficult the beat the domestiques than the leaders?

Seriously?

No, but it is harder to race a fresh Froome, Quintana, and Nibali, not to mention Valverde and those that were thought to be contenders (TVG, Pinot), all three of whose entire season was focused solely on success at the Tour, after racing a tough Giro, than it is to beat those same Giro riders, plus a tired Quintana and Nibali. The point is the difficulty of the double, not the difficulty of just the Giro vs. just the Vuelta. Comprende?