Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Ironhead Slim]

Disappointing today He's clearly in no condition at the moment to win this and i don't see how he can improve anymore,2012 Vuelta all over again.Considering that Roche and Nieve were unleashed shows that he knows he's not in the game.

Yup, to be fair he was trying to down play his chances as much as possible before the race. Stage 11 will completely finish him off.

Yes, Stage 11 is going to be spectacular and there is no way for Froome to ride into enough shape for those 6 brutal climbs. Astana & Movistar are going to kick it into a whole 'nother level.

 

[Taxus4a]

I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

 

[Ricco']

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I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

Why compromise two fair options for a guy who doesn't have what is needed right now to win the GC?

 

[ray j willings]

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I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

Do you ride a bike? That was a tough tough stage. It was very hot. Riders cannot always respond how you want them to. Porte would have done nothing in that heat. Your just making assumptions.
Other riders were better to day . Aru looks way strong.
Now considering all the jibba jabba you gave us Bertie Fans about Aru and Landa.
Your posts now look foolish.
Having a understanding of performance is not your strongest point. Now You might have some understanding of just how good Bertie's performance in the tour was.
Those Astana boys will rip this race up just like they did in the Giro.
I hope Froome can put up a good show but I think in the 3rd week he will be TTing up mountains like last year.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

Why compromise two fair options for a guy who doesn't have what is needed right now to win the GC?

Roche doesnt think that way: (translate it or look that in english)

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/ciclismo/20150828/201438381334/roche-la-tactica-de-froome-fue-buena-no-hay-motivo-para-alarmas.html

The odd for me is that nobody waited for him, it has no sense except you are right, of course,...

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

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Do you ride a bike? That was a tough tough stage. It was very hot. Riders cannot always respond how you want them to. Porte would have done nothing in that heat. Your just making assumptions.
Other riders were better to day . Aru looks way strong.
Now considering all the jibba jabba you gave us Bertie Fans about Aru and Landa.
Your posts now look foolish.
Having a understanding of performance is not your strongest point. Now You might have some understanding of just how good Bertie's performance in the tour was.
Those Astana boys will rip this race up just like they did in the Giro.
I hope Froome can put up a good show but I think in the 3rd week he will be TTing up mountains like last year.

My post had a lot of sense, Yours, I dont think so. Roche and Nieve where in front of froome and diodnt wait. What part dont you undertand? what is in relation if the stage was hard or not hard or hot or not hot ti understand wjat I said?
What is contador in ralation with this? Kreuziger always has waited for him, even Nieve once in other team...today Froome was alone with 2 riders in the front that couldnt won the stage and has not the level to win la Vuelta, although Roche did 5th in 2010.

You can answered me talking about the economy of Fidgi Island, but that doenst expkain whay nieve and Roche didnt wait.

Maybe you understand better this way:

7ª etapa:
1 Bertjan LINDEMAN NED TLJ 5:10:24
2 Ilia KOSHEVOY BLR LAM 9
3 Fabio ARU ITA AST 29
4 Jerome COUSIN FRA EUC 34
5 Rafal MAJKA POL TCS 36
6 Jhoan Esteban CHAVES RUBIO COL OGE 36
7 Alejandro VALVERDE BELMONTE ESP MOV 36
8 Nairo Alexander QUINTANA ROJAS COL MOV 36
9 Louis MEINTJES RSA MTN 36
10 Nicolas ROCHE IRL SKY 36
11 Daniel MARTIN IRL TCG 36
12 Joaquin RODRIGUEZ OLIVER ESP KAT 36
13 Domenico POZZOVIVO ITA ALM 36
14 Tom DUMOULIN NED TGA 36
15 Mikel NIEVE ITURALDE ESP SKY 45
16 Amets TXURRUKA ESP CJR 51
17 Christopher FROOME GBR SKY +1:03
18 Bart DE CLERCQ BEL LTS +1:03
19 Daniel MORENO FERNANDEZ ESP KAT +1:03
20 Frank SCHLECK LUX TFR +1:03
21 Samuel SANCHEZ GONZALEZ ESP BMC +1:03
22 Mikel LANDA MEANA ESP AST +1:03

 

[Taxus4a]

The only explanation if that they are not sure Froome will be at his loevek, becoue he didnt prepare the Vuelta and didnt rest form le Tour properly, o they want to use roche and Nieve for a good GC.

Could be that way, but that is wrong for me.
he could have just had a bad day, the climb was quite explosive at the end, but this final suit for him better, and with hot more, than other cshort climbs they did before.. and he was better...

There is just 2 options, he is paying all thye post tiour and it is nortmal a bad day, he will be better at the end, that is what I think, or he is already fading after first days in the race...

 

[Taxus4a]

I think Froome will finish la Vuelta 10 minutes better than roche and at least 3 minutes better than Aru, despite Aru is less tired.

Time will say. After today sstage i think the same but now I have some doubts.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

[/quote

Do you ride a bike? That was a tough tough stage. It was very hot. Riders cannot always respond how you want them to. Porte would have done nothing in that heat. Your just making assumptions.
Other riders were better to day . Aru looks way strong.
Now considering all the jibba jabba you gave us Bertie Fans about Aru and Landa.
Your posts now look foolish.
Having a understanding of performance is not your strongest point. Now You might have some understanding of just how good Bertie's performance in the tour was.
Those Astana boys will rip this race up just like they did in the Giro.
I hope Froome can put up a good show but I think in the 3rd week he will be TTing up mountains like last year.

My post had a lot of sense, Yours, I dont think so. Roche and Nieve where in front of froome and diodnt wait. What part dont you undertand? what is in relation if the stage was hard or not hard or hot or not hot ti understand wjat I said?
What is contador in ralation with this? Kreuziger always has waited for him, even Nieve once in other team...today Froome was alone with 2 riders in the front that couldnt won the stage and has not the level to win la Vuelta, although Roche did 5th in 2010.

You can answered me talking about the economy of Fidgi Island, but that doenst expkain whay nieve and Roche didnt wait.

Maybe you understand better this way:

7ª etapa:
1 Bertjan LINDEMAN NED TLJ 5:10:24
2 Ilia KOSHEVOY BLR LAM 9
3 Fabio ARU ITA AST 29
4 Jerome COUSIN FRA EUC 34
5 Rafal MAJKA POL TCS 36
6 Jhoan Esteban CHAVES RUBIO COL OGE 36
7 Alejandro VALVERDE BELMONTE ESP MOV 36
8 Nairo Alexander QUINTANA ROJAS COL MOV 36
9 Louis MEINTJES RSA MTN 36
10 Nicolas ROCHE IRL SKY 36
11 Daniel MARTIN IRL TCG 36
12 Joaquin RODRIGUEZ OLIVER ESP KAT 36
13 Domenico POZZOVIVO ITA ALM 36
14 Tom DUMOULIN NED TGA 36
15 Mikel NIEVE ITURALDE ESP SKY 45
16 Amets TXURRUKA ESP CJR 51
17 Christopher FROOME GBR SKY +1:03
18 Bart DE CLERCQ BEL LTS +1:03
19 Daniel MORENO FERNANDEZ ESP KAT +1:03
20 Frank SCHLECK LUX TFR +1:03
21 Samuel SANCHEZ GONZALEZ ESP BMC +1:03
22 Mikel LANDA MEANA ESP AST +1:03

They didn't wait because there was no point in waiting ... Froome could not have gone any quicker so tactically Keeping Roche in a good overall position makes sense. Why would he drop back and lose time for no reason.
Froome was finished at that point. Like I said it was HOT.
If Sky thought it would have helped Roche would have dropped back and if Nieve had waited the 20 seconds for Froome to catch up up it would have made no difference. His rivals were already up the road. If Nieve had waited and tried to up the tempo for Froome, he would have just dropped Froome. So no reason to drop back.

Maybe you understand now

cheers Ray J

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

I still think that Froome will win this Vuelta, except if he do some mistakes in the ITT, like last year, but for me today stage was quite strange... becouse Nieve and Roche didnt help Froome when he needed... in his bad days, Porte has been always there.

[/quote

Do you ride a bike? That was a tough tough stage. It was very hot. Riders cannot always respond how you want them to. Porte would have done nothing in that heat. Your just making assumptions.
Other riders were better to day . Aru looks way strong.
Now considering all the jibba jabba you gave us Bertie Fans about Aru and Landa.
Your posts now look foolish.
Having a understanding of performance is not your strongest point. Now You might have some understanding of just how good Bertie's performance in the tour was.
Those Astana boys will rip this race up just like they did in the Giro.
I hope Froome can put up a good show but I think in the 3rd week he will be TTing up mountains like last year.

My post had a lot of sense, Yours, I dont think so. Roche and Nieve where in front of froome and diodnt wait. What part dont you undertand? what is in relation if the stage was hard or not hard or hot or not hot ti understand wjat I said?
What is contador in ralation with this? Kreuziger always has waited for him, even Nieve once in other team...today Froome was alone with 2 riders in the front that couldnt won the stage and has not the level to win la Vuelta, although Roche did 5th in 2010.

You can answered me talking about the economy of Fidgi Island, but that doenst expkain whay nieve and Roche didnt wait.

Maybe you understand better this way:

7ª etapa:
1 Bertjan LINDEMAN NED TLJ 5:10:24
2 Ilia KOSHEVOY BLR LAM 9
3 Fabio ARU ITA AST 29
4 Jerome COUSIN FRA EUC 34
5 Rafal MAJKA POL TCS 36
6 Jhoan Esteban CHAVES RUBIO COL OGE 36
7 Alejandro VALVERDE BELMONTE ESP MOV 36
8 Nairo Alexander QUINTANA ROJAS COL MOV 36
9 Louis MEINTJES RSA MTN 36
10 Nicolas ROCHE IRL SKY 36
11 Daniel MARTIN IRL TCG 36
12 Joaquin RODRIGUEZ OLIVER ESP KAT 36
13 Domenico POZZOVIVO ITA ALM 36
14 Tom DUMOULIN NED TGA 36
15 Mikel NIEVE ITURALDE ESP SKY 45
16 Amets TXURRUKA ESP CJR 51
17 Christopher FROOME GBR SKY +1:03
18 Bart DE CLERCQ BEL LTS +1:03
19 Daniel MORENO FERNANDEZ ESP KAT +1:03
20 Frank SCHLECK LUX TFR +1:03
21 Samuel SANCHEZ GONZALEZ ESP BMC +1:03
22 Mikel LANDA MEANA ESP AST +1:03

They didn't wait because there was no point in waiting ... Froome could not have gone any quicker

cheers Ray J

It is the first time I heard that in slopes at about 6 % it iss useleess to stop to wait to your lider.

 

[ray j willings]

Taxus quote"It is the first time I heard that in slopes at about 6 % it iss useleess to stop to wait to your lider"

Obviously you know better than Sky.

 

[Pricey_sky]

I agree with what Ray said. Froome is more than capable of looking after himself and riding tempo for the final K. Let Roche (who looks strong) and Nieve have the freedom. It was pointless to wait for him as he got to the finish as fast as he could.

 

[pastronef]

I think Froome told them to go, and not wait, as he did with Roche on stage 2.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I agree with what Ray said. Froome is more than capable of looking after himself and riding tempo for the final K. Let Roche (who looks strong) and Nieve have the freedom. It was pointless to wait for him as he got to the finish as fast as he could.

Well, maybe Froome is one of the riders, less need help., we have seen help droping of his team sometimes, so that is useless... but for that reakn i said: always when Froome had a crisis, like in Alp Shuez 2013, porte was there, if is uselles, why?

If is useless, why his team worked for him in Alp D Huez this year when Quintana attackek?

Everybody knows that to follow wheels in an speed about 20-25 km/h, is quite helpfull. it is nothing to argue, it is physics, it is science.

 

[Taxus4a]

I think Froome told them to go, and not wait, as he did with Roche on stage 2.

Yes, Tour is the big objetive for any big contender, except you are spanish in la Vuelta or italian in the Giro, when tehn those GT are a big objetive as well. so this way Froome give back to his team mates the help they did in the past.

 

[pastronef]

Taxus, faltaban 2 K a meta, no need to pace him like this year on the long road of the Alpe Huez

 

[Pricey_sky]

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I agree with what Ray said. Froome is more than capable of looking after himself and riding tempo for the final K. Let Roche (who looks strong) and Nieve have the freedom. It was pointless to wait for him as he got to the finish as fast as he could.

Well, maybe Froome is one of the riders, less need help., we have seen help droping of his team sometimes, so that is useless... but for that reakn i said: always when Froome had a crisis, like in Alp Shuez 2013, porte was there, if is uselles, why?

If is useless, why his team worked for him in Alp D Huez this year when Quintana attackek?

Everybody knows that to follow wheels in an speed about 20-25 km/h, is quite helpfull. it is nothing to argue, it is physics, it is science.

You can't compare the final mountain stage of the Tour to what happened today. Froome doesn't know what form he's got and his teammates seem strong so why not let them go ahead, chances are he isn't going to win this race. However he had the yellow jersey on stage 20 in the Alpe stage this July. So of course his teammates will help him.

 

[Tank Engine]

I think Froome told them to go, and not wait, as he did with Roche on stage 2.

Roche said that they it was so close to the finish that they just chased Aru and it's not the end of the world that Froome lost 30secs. Of course to some degree that is the official version, but I don't think that there was any point in wating for Froome.

As for Froome's form, I think he came into the race partly as otherwise there wouldn't be a decent chance to race until Oman. He just wanted to give it a go without putting pressure on himself. Before the race G said that he planned to chill for the first two weeks and then test out his legs and it looks like that is what he's doing. Roche has been given opportunities to go for the red jersey/stage hunt. I'm interested in how Froome will race now. He won't race to scrape into the top 10, but I think (or at least hope) he's not the sort of guy to go home because he's not in 100% form, when he can still play a part.

 

[del1962]

Nice win for Lindeman and Jumbo

Bit early to write Froome off, still think he could top 5, he seems to have go for a different prep to 2012, less intense so perhaps he wont fall off in the third week

Not having ridden the tour makes Aru the favorite, lets hope someone can beat him though, I am not a fan.

 

[HelloDolly]

From the beginning Froome has been playing down his chances, even saying at the team resentation that he would try his best but if he failed there were other SKY riders who could go well. I think SKY wanted him to have a go but he is clearly over his optimum weight and not ready (as is Thomas) I amnot sure why they chose to ride the Vuleta but neither are in the shape to win a GT, not with the competition in this race

As for waiting for Froome today Roche said in ITV that they didn't know Froome was in difficulty but it was so short that there was nothing hey could have done by waiting. He also said Froome will improve (/)

Dave Brailsford interview was telling where before today's satge he said that SKY also had Roche & Nieve as options along with Froome

I think it must have been an experiment for Froome and he may get stronger (can't see it) but to beat the top GC guys by minutes ?

The Vuelta is that kind of race ...

 

[Taxus4a]

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Nice win for Lindeman and Jumbo

Bit early to write Froome off, still think he could top 5, he seems to have go for a different prep to 2012, less intense so perhaps he wont fall off in the third week

Not having ridden the tour makes Aru the favorite, lets hope someone can beat him though, I am not a fan.

Aru won 2 stages last Vuelta and finished 5Th. Today wanst so different to Aralar. Aru won a stage at the begining of the Giro, but he is not a solid leader in a big battle form far. what he did today doenst mean a lot.

Froome this year Vuelta a Andalucia, very close today stage, a well in Sierra Nevada, losed time with Contador, a day that Nieve had a punture and froome losed time but he recovered something at the end.

Too days later Froome won Vuelta a Andalucia.

For me today is similar to that, the only strage thing is that in Andalucia he had a very little, but the help of team mates at the begining.. and today not. Nieve lelf the team, but anyway is strange. Froome is the leadar, and it is always like that, the rest of the riders help him. Nieve and roche are not coleaders.. Roche said he hasnt any new order, so thay went to the front...

 

[Jspear]

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Nice win for Lindeman and Jumbo

Bit early to write Froome off, still think he could top 5, he seems to have go for a different prep to 2012, less intense so perhaps he wont fall off in the third week

Not having ridden the tour makes Aru the favorite, lets hope someone can beat him though, I am not a fan.

Aru won 2 stages last Vuelta and finished 5Th. Today wanst so different to Aralar. Aru won a stage at the begining of the Giro, but he is not a solid leader in a big battle form far. what he did today doenst mean a lot.

Froome this year Vuelta a Andalucia, very close today stage, a well in Sierra Nevada, losed time with Contador, a day that Nieve had a punture and froome losed time but he recovered something at the end.

Too days later Froome won Vuelta a Andalucia.

For me today is similar to that, the only strage thing is that in Andalucia he had a very little, but the help of team mates at the begining.. and today not. Nieve lelf the team, but anyway is strange. Froome is the leadar, and it is always like that, the rest of the riders help him. Nieve and roche are not coleaders.. Roche said he hasnt any new order, so thay went to the front...

You can't compare Andalucia and the Vuelta. Before Andalucia he hadn't raced yet. Now he has a whole season of racing in his legs. He's going to react differently.

 

[Taxus4a]

Froome said did at the start:

“I’m definitely not in the same condition that I had in the Tour, make no mistake about it, but I’m motivated to win,” Froome added.

“My whole season was built around the Tour, with blocks of altitude training to time my condition perfectly. I’m basically coming into the Vuelta off the back of the Tour, just coming in with what I have.”

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/08/news/vuelta-special-for-chris-froome_382182#CXDZI77Qk1f2yiE3.99

So it is normal what happens today, but I think he will be better.

 

[argyllflyer]

He'll either ride himself into fitness or drop like a stone, still too early to tell which will happen!

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Nice win for Lindeman and Jumbo

Bit early to write Froome off, still think he could top 5, he seems to have go for a different prep to 2012, less intense so perhaps he wont fall off in the third week

Not having ridden the tour makes Aru the favorite, lets hope someone can beat him though, I am not a fan.

Aru won 2 stages last Vuelta and finished 5Th. Today wanst so different to Aralar. Aru won a stage at the begining of the Giro, but he is not a solid leader in a big battle form far. what he did today doenst mean a lot.

Froome this year Vuelta a Andalucia, very close today stage, a well in Sierra Nevada, losed time with Contador, a day that Nieve had a punture and froome losed time but he recovered something at the end.

Too days later Froome won Vuelta a Andalucia.

For me today is similar to that, the only strage thing is that in Andalucia he had a very little, but the help of team mates at the begining.. and today not. Nieve lelf the team, but anyway is strange. Froome is the leadar, and it is always like that, the rest of the riders help him. Nieve and roche are not coleaders.. Roche said he hasnt any new order, so thay went to the front...

You can't compare Andalucia and the Vuelta. Before Andalucia he hadn't raced yet. Now he has a whole season of racing in his legs. He's going to react differently.

Yes.. or not.

Of coure is not the same situation, but could be the same result.

The only sure, and that is normal after to win(not to rode), le Tour. becouse all the post tour avoid you to rest, it is that he is not going to be as strong as in le Tour, and here there are people fresher than him in a good shape as Aru, Pozzovivo, Chaves, for Valverde and Purito la Vuelta is a good race, and Quintana dont have the same post Tour...

But of course he can win, he is the best GT contender currently.