Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[blackmamba]

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Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!

Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And on topic again: Im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet, not saying he needs to win but at the very least show improvement of his form!

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!

Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And on topic again: Im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet.

And Froome. It doesn't take a genius to see that Froome is great when in peak form. Have you had your head buried in the sand the last 3 years?

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Re:

Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!

Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And btw im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet.

I agree about froome needing to show something and am worried as well. I don't understand why you believe froome can't cope with peak Contador? In 2014 vuelta neither were at there peak we don't know what peak froome vs peak Contador would do. We DO know however that Contador hasn't managed to peak for tour since 09 in a completely different era, 7 years have passed if he wasn't Contador everyone would have written him off as just a rider for giro and vuelta. I HUGELY doubt he can perform at tour untill he shows otherwise it is not debatable. For Quintana there is debate, has he improves really since 13? I think he has levelled. Has he got what it takes to win tour? To me too mentally weak. Is he strong enough? With the tt and the fact he can't perform first two weaks I would say no. So UNLESS froome is ill he is HUGE favorite for the tour.

 

[blackmamba]

Re: Re:

Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!

Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And btw im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet.

I agree about froome needing to show something and am worried as well. I don't understand why you believe froome can't cope with peak Contador? In 2014 vuelta neither were at there peak we don't know what peak froome vs peak Contador would do. We DO know however that Contador hasn't managed to peak for tour since 09 in a completely different era, 7 years have passed if he wasn't Contador everyone would have written him off as just a rider for giro and vuelta. I HUGELY doubt he can perform at tour untill he shows otherwise it is not debatable. For Quintana there is debate, has he improves really since 13? I think he has levelled. Has he got what it takes to win tour? To me too mentally weak. Is he strong enough? With the tt and the fact he can't perform first two weaks I would say no. So UNLESS froome is ill he is HUGE favorite for the tour.

All you keep saying is Contador hasnt been able to peak for the Tour since 2009, now go check as to why and you will understand why that is, IF it was beacuse he actually has tried and failed it would be one thing but if its duo to circumstances which hasnt allowed him to do it its another ( and yes the giro falls into that allthough he choosed that on his own ofcourse, just saying that its not fair to expect him to be peak form in Tour after winning the Giro since its physically impossible and all that )....Your only argument is flawed and if you dig into it its not a argument at all, as it only shows you doesnt understand the complete picture.

 

[therealthing]

Re: Re:

Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!

Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And on topic again: Im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet, not saying he needs to win but at the very least show improvement of his form!

I'm not expecting lots from Froome at the TDR: he wasn't great last year and only really got third because Sky won the TTT. But if he is dropped easily tomorrow that would be a concern, though he has had very few race days this season.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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I don't see how Quintana "blew him away" in the mountains. He took 30 seconds on stage 19, and about a minute on stage 20, both when Froome had a chest infection. Those were the only 2 times Quintana gained any time on Froome. And on these instances he was well protected by Poels on stage 19 and by Porte and Poels all the way up Alpe d'Huez. When Froome is at his best he is almost impossible to beat. Just look at the 2013 Tour, all of the Dauphinés and stage 10 last year.

Agreed. Nice post. Ray often fails to differentiate his facts from his opinions.

 

[blackmamba]

Re: Re:

Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!

Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And on topic again: Im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet, not saying he needs to win but at the very least show improvement of his form!

I'm not expecting lots from Froome at the TDR: he wasn't great last year and only really got third because Sky won the TTT. But if he is dropped easily tomorrow that would be a concern, though he has had very few race days this season.

Thing is he cant show up to the Tour with super peak form unless he starts improving at some point. To gain top peak he needs to obtain a first peak to further build on to get the top peak its simple physics.

Agree he doesnt need to blow everyone away at Romandie, not at all but he needs to show improvement and atleast challenge for the win at this point!

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador![/quote]
Unfotunatly i think a peak froome is invincible, Contador has been average in the tour for the best part of a decade now, he hasn't won a stage in 7 years and that was a different era. No way can he compete with the very best at the tour now. Quintana just takes to long to reach form I guarantee that after week two and ventoux and the tt he will be 5-6 minutes behind too big a deficit to make back. Only a ridder like aru could win by surprising froome but otherwise Chris will win EASILY[/quote]

What you dont understand is that what you write is based on your thinking despite the fact that logic and facts tells otherwice You dont base your reasoning on anything besides what you think, not backed up by a single logical reason so im sure you will understand that it isnt taken very seriously.

If however Froome can show he can cop with a peak Contador then well talk but UNTILL thats actually have happened and its proven I dont think so, he simply has to many weaknesses.

Quintana on the other hand is a emerging rider with a immense talent and already showed last year he was on par with a peaking Froome and unlike Froome only have gotten better ....

Barring illness or injuries this years Tour gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador.

And btw im hoping Froome shows something tomorrow cause he needs to show a improving of his form otherwice im afraid something is wrong with him this year which hasnt been leaked yet.[/quote]
I agree about froome needing to show something and am worried as well. I don't understand why you believe froome can't cope with peak Contador? In 2014 vuelta neither were at there peak we don't know what peak froome vs peak Contador would do. We DO know however that Contador hasn't managed to peak for tour since 09 in a completely different era, 7 years have passed if he wasn't Contador everyone would have written him off as just a rider for giro and vuelta. I HUGELY doubt he can perform at tour untill he shows otherwise it is not debatable. For Quintana there is debate, has he improves really since 13? I think he has levelled. Has he got what it takes to win tour? To me too mentally weak. Is he strong enough? With the tt and the fact he can't perform first two weaks I would say no. So UNLESS froome is ill he is HUGE favorite for the tour.[/quote]
All you keep saying is Contador hasnt been able to peak for the Tour since 2009, now go check as to why and you will understand why that is, IF it was beacuse he actually has tried and failed it would be one thing but if its duo to circumstances which hasnt allowed him to do it....Your only argument is flawed and if you dig into it not argument at all as it only shows you doesnt understand the complete picture.[/quote]
2010: won the tour but didn't win a stage and countreversly won tour on chaingate incident.
2011: giro-tour double, failed but first attempt.
2013: awful display
2014: crashed but already +2min back
2015: SECOND double attempt yet another fail. Fail once fair enough but twice why attempt? Maybe he knew he couldn't beat froome and just used giro-tour as excuse for performance?
All this makes possibility Contador strong at tour unlikely these are FACTS.

 

[dacooley]

Another ac fanboy is willing to belittle froome in quite a derogatory manner... That's tiresome

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Froome had the help of his team and Quintana had the help of his team as well, to attack he had the role of Valverde and Anacona, so it wanst Quintana againts SKY.

Td F is not just mountains, you have to be strong all the days in all kind of terrains. Quintana is a better climbler so it is normal that after several mountains stages in really though stages he is better. But Froome was the deserved winner, no doubt, he was the stronger.

And with a long flat ITT as in the past in the first week and another at the end he would have get lot of time. The route anyway has a short flat ITT, enought flat, pavé, to considerer it for complete riders.

This year there is a "flat" ITT, but not log, not in the first week, and with two important climbs. There is less flat, no pavé, the mountain starts early in the race.... it is a better route for climbers and both of them can win.

 

[blackmamba]

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I agree about froome needing to show something and am worried as well. I don't understand why you believe froome can't cope with peak Contador? In 2014 vuelta neither were at there peak we don't know what peak froome vs peak Contador would do. We DO know however that Contador hasn't managed to peak for tour since 09 in a completely different era, 7 years have passed if he wasn't Contador everyone would have written him off as just a rider for giro and vuelta. I HUGELY doubt he can perform at tour untill he shows otherwise it is not debatable. For Quintana there is debate, has he improves really since 13? I think he has levelled. Has he got what it takes to win tour? To me too mentally weak. Is he strong enough? With the tt and the fact he can't perform first two weaks I would say no. So UNLESS froome is ill he is HUGE favorite for the tour.

2010: won the tour but didn't win a stage and countreversly won tour on chaingate incident.
2011: giro-tour double, failed but first attempt.
2013: awful display
2014: crashed but already +2min back
2015: SECOND double attempt yet another fail. Fail once fair enough but twice why attempt? Maybe he knew he couldn't beat froome and just used giro-tour as excuse for performance?

Again poor display of how educated you are in this and just once agian shows you cant see the bigger picture of stuff and honestly I dont see why I bother to explain it to you....

However:
2010 WON yes, afterall winning is winning as you said.
2011 You explained the reason but didnt understand it yourself,reason was: GIro-Tour double its just physically impossible to be able to peak for the Tour.
2012 which u didnt mention was a reason aswell which you cant blame him for not showing up in the Tour in peak form, cause he wasnt allowed *
2013 is the same reason as Giro-Tour double, he didnt ride in 2012 hence he had no base etc not gonne go in depth about that since you should understand that yourself.
2014 crashed out and since u mentioned was behind was that duo to what reason again you care to explain that aswell?
2015 Giro-Tour double

So you see Mr your only argument you have doesnt make sense at all

On the other hand Froome mano a mano in Vuelta, where they actually had the same build up for once the results speak for themself ...

And also the results of last years Tour which showed a peak Froome didnt impress anyone, to many flawes and a emerging and stronger Quintana is more frightening for Contador. That beeing said ofcourse I expect a peak Froome to be up there challenging!

 

[Brullnux]

Guys could you quote in a normal way, please.

The Tour will be close. Froome will be excellent, Quintana will be excellent and Contador better be excellent. I don't know who is going to win. The least likely to win is Quintana, while he's probably the most likely to podium, along with Froome. Froome and Contador are the most likely to win, but if Comtador goes bad then he'll go bad, I feel. But he won't go bad, I strongly believe. If Quintana will really be as conservative as he said he will then I reckon his chances of winning go down quite a lot. If would attack then he could be as much of a favourite as the other two.

I have no clue. I hope and think it'll be close, and I hope Bertie wins with a 50k solo on Stage 20.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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I agree about froome needing to show something and am worried as well. I don't understand why you believe froome can't cope with peak Contador? In 2014 vuelta neither were at there peak we don't know what peak froome vs peak Contador would do. We DO know however that Contador hasn't managed to peak for tour since 09 in a completely different era, 7 years have passed if he wasn't Contador everyone would have written him off as just a rider for giro and vuelta. I HUGELY doubt he can perform at tour untill he shows otherwise it is not debatable. For Quintana there is debate, has he improves really since 13? I think he has levelled. Has he got what it takes to win tour? To me too mentally weak. Is he strong enough? With the tt and the fact he can't perform first two weaks I would say no. So UNLESS froome is ill he is HUGE favorite for the tour.

2010: won the tour but didn't win a stage and countreversly won tour on chaingate incident.
2011: giro-tour double, failed but first attempt.
2013: awful display
2014: crashed but already +2min back
2015: SECOND double attempt yet another fail. Fail once fair enough but twice why attempt? Maybe he knew he couldn't beat froome and just used giro-tour as excuse for performance?

Again poor display of how educated you are in this and just once agian shows you cant see the bigger picture of stuff and honestly I dont see why I bother to explain it to you....

However:
2010 WON yes, afterall winning is winning as you said.
2011 You explained the reason but didnt understand it yourself,reason was: GIro-Tour double its just physically impossible to be able to peak for the Tour.
2012 which u didnt mention was a reason aswell which you cant blame him for not showing up in the Tour in peak form, cause he wasnt allowed *
2013 is the same reason as Giro-Tour double, he didnt ride in 2012 hence he had no base etc not gonne go in depth about that since you should understand that yourself.
2014 crashed out and since u mentioned was behind was that duo to what reason again you care to explain that aswell?
2015 Giro-Tour double

So you see Mr your only argument you have doesnt make sense at all

You quite rightly say it is physically impossible to peak for giro and tour Alberto new this after 2011, so why try in 2015? Simple he new he can't beat froome at the tour. For 2013 tour what do you mean he didn't have a base he had just won the vuelta yes he messed up his prep but the reason isn't the one you mention. He won in 2010 but performing like that against froome you will finished second best. In 2014 he LOST over 2 minutes before crashing out end of story he wasn't up to competing in that tour a true contender doesn't lose two minutes to a rival in the first weak. So NOTHING whatsoever suggest Contador can fight for the win this year going on past tdf.

 

[blackmamba]

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I agree about froome needing to show something and am worried as well. I don't understand why you believe froome can't cope with peak Contador? In 2014 vuelta neither were at there peak we don't know what peak froome vs peak Contador would do. We DO know however that Contador hasn't managed to peak for tour since 09 in a completely different era, 7 years have passed if he wasn't Contador everyone would have written him off as just a rider for giro and vuelta. I HUGELY doubt he can perform at tour untill he shows otherwise it is not debatable. For Quintana there is debate, has he improves really since 13? I think he has levelled. Has he got what it takes to win tour? To me too mentally weak. Is he strong enough? With the tt and the fact he can't perform first two weaks I would say no. So UNLESS froome is ill he is HUGE favorite for the tour.

2010: won the tour but didn't win a stage and countreversly won tour on chaingate incident.
2011: giro-tour double, failed but first attempt.
2013: awful display
2014: crashed but already +2min back
2015: SECOND double attempt yet another fail. Fail once fair enough but twice why attempt? Maybe he knew he couldn't beat froome and just used giro-tour as excuse for performance?

Again poor display of how educated you are in this and just once agian shows you cant see the bigger picture of stuff and honestly I dont see why I bother to explain it to you....

However:
2010 WON yes, afterall winning is winning as you said.
2011 You explained the reason but didnt understand it yourself,reason was: GIro-Tour double its just physically impossible to be able to peak for the Tour.
2012 which u didnt mention was a reason aswell which you cant blame him for not showing up in the Tour in peak form, cause he wasnt allowed *
2013 is the same reason as Giro-Tour double, he didnt ride in 2012 hence he had no base etc not gonne go in depth about that since you should understand that yourself.
2014 crashed out and since u mentioned was behind was that duo to what reason again you care to explain that aswell?
2015 Giro-Tour double

So you see Mr your only argument you have doesnt make sense at all

You quite rightly say it is physically impossible to peak for giro and tour Alberto new this after 2011, so why try in 2015? Simple he new he can't beat froome at the tour. For 2013 tour what do you mean he didn't have a base he had just won the vuelta yes he messed up his prep but the reason isn't the one you mention. He won in 2010 but performing like that against froome you will finished second best. In 2014 he LOST over 2 minutes before crashing out end of story he wasn't up to competing in that tour a true contender doesn't lose two minutes to a rival in the first weak. So NOTHING whatsoever suggest Contador can fight for the win this year going on past tdf.

A true contender apperently cant loose his chain and switch bike in a tour and expect to loose time, hahahah

And reason why Contador knows this and still tried the Giro is simply, he knows hes the greatest GC rider of his generation by a mile, heck its not even anyone who can challenge so ofcourse one could understand he would try. And should rather tell you how afraid he is of his opponents since he thought he could win both (but obviously wasnt even close, which we saw fram the results which is a proven fact )

Dude you cant mention a single logically reason behind your ideas so its no points going further, you can believe what you want based on whatever logic you want, your totally aloowed to do that sir. So lets move on.


Tomorrow's stage gonne be interesting I hope Froome is up to par and got some sleeves up his hands. Expecting Quintana to give it a go he seemed strong today aswell even on that little climb, and also curious to see how Pinot and the BMC duo goes!

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Ray you keep saying this 'Froome holding onto Thomas' wheel for the last week and a half' it's rubbish. Remember on the penultimate weekend when Quintana attacked and Froome easily responded and ended up outsprinting him and gaining a second right? Or stage 17 where Froome easily finished with Quintana ahead of the rest of his rivals.

The only time Froome was in trouble was the final 2 stages, and while Quintana was obviously stronger it didn't help that Friome was suffering with a chest infection, go and listen to his interview after D'Huez, you can clearly hear it.

I do agree that this year will be extremely tough and it won't be as easy as some make out.

I respect your view and cannot disagree with your points but if you remember on more than one occasion Froome was attacked and Thomas who was looking after him had to stay with Froome because Froome could not respond he nodded to Thomas not to go. If Quintana had the Bal%% to attack on those occasions he would have won the tour, instead he got what he deserved 2nd place.
Froome is just not consistent enough. To much competition on form this year. He just wont get enough time before the mountains in the last week.

I think that's Froomes biggest problem. When he's on super form there aren't many who can get close to him, in terms of potential to take time in most stages (MTF, TT, crosswind, sharp hills like the Mur) However when he's not he does suffer, we all know he takes time to recover from crashes and his thin frame makes him prone to illness, Froome cant afford any blips this July.


Going back to what another poster said about his current form I don't think much can be read into it. He wants to leave the Tour still in top form to give the iTT and RR at the Olympics a real shot, it makes sense to keep his powder dry at this stage of the season. As I've said before, if he's poor in the Dauphine then Froome has a problem.

 

[PremierAndrew]

What happened to the contador v froome b1tching thread

 

[blackmamba]

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What happened to the contador v froome b1tching thread

Try something like this instead then:

Tomorrow's stage gonne be interesting I hope Froome is up to par and got some sleeves up his hands. Expecting Quintana to give it a go, he seemed lively today even on that little climb, and also curious to see how Pinot and the BMC duo goes!

 

[Taxus4a]

There is a problem with Froome if he win easy, there is a problem with Froome if he dont win, there is always a problem for ome people

But in this page I have read Froome has never beated Contador. No more to read...

I dont mind the preferences of cycling fans, I just demand a little of objetivity.

And there is an objetve fact, Tour is by far the most important race in cycling today. And Contador has bever even be close to Froome in le Tour. According what we see in Dauohine 2014 and the second stage of le Tour, Froome was stroger, no much estronger, but a little stronger. We can just speculate, this year will be important, but to read some things is hard for amy objetive person. But that is the time contador was close to him in the main objetive of the season for them.we can talk about other year as well,

I dont like too much Sagan, but I am not going to say he is not an excepcional rider able to win all the monuments (difficult anyway)

But if you believe that, put your money to Contador, he is best payed than Froome instead he didnt beated him ever...

There is another fact, Froome started season in January and he is nws competing. Contador started in February and he stopped 10 days ago. Contador will finish his season in the olimpic and Froome has at least Vuelta in his mind. It is not the same planification

Cheers!

 

[cantpedal]

I think a lot of you should review the GT podiums over the last five years... most are living in the past or dreaming of a future.. We won't know what his third week can really be until his lead gets threatened in a GT. we suffered through months of his bike handling, descending or cobbles will be his down fall. Please tell me you have something better than "third week issues" this year. If you think he can't sustain 3 weeks look at 2011 Vuelta or 2012 Tour where he Drags Brad and the peloton up half the mountains in Europe. for sheer sustained effort these are more impressive in my mind than his 2 wins.

 

[Jspear]

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There is a problem with Froome if he win easy, there is a problem with Froome if he dont win, there is always a problem for ome people

But in this page I have read Froome has never beated Contador. No more to read...

I dont mind the preferences of cycling fans, I just demand a little of objetivity.

And there is an objetve fact, Tour is by far the most important race in cycling today. And Contador has bever even be close to Froome in le Tour. According what we see in Dauohine 2014 and the second stage of le Tour, Froome was stroger, no much estronger, but a little stronger. We can just speculate, this year will be important, but to read some things is hard for amy objetive person. But that is the time contador was close to him in the main objetive of the season for them.we can talk about other year as well,

I dont like too much Sagan, but I am not going to say he is not an excepcional rider able to win all the monuments (difficult anyway)

But if you believe that, put your money to Contador, he is best payed than Froome instead he didnt beated him ever...

There is another fact, Froome started season in January and he is nws competing. Contador started in February and he stopped 10 days ago. Contador will finish his season in the olimpic and Froome has at least Vuelta in his mind. It is not the same planification

Cheers!

But, it is NOT an objective fact that everyone comes into the Tour in tip top form. That is what is being argued here. We all know the Tour is the biggest race. That's not really the point.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I think a lot of you should review the GT podiums over the last five years...

I don't have to review them, they're all in my head. Now what?? What is it I should notice?

 

[vedrafjord]

All the tiresome 'my dad is bigger than your dad' posts should go in the Froome vs Contador thread.

In terms of form, Contador has had the best run so far this year, with Quintana not too far off. However Froome was completely anonymous last year between Andalucia in February and the Dauphiné in June, and still won the Tour. And in 2014 Nibali showed up with no form whatsoever.

I just want a good race in July, and hope that with Valverde gone Movistar might be a bit less cautious. The idea that any of Contador/Froome/Quintana are either 'unbeatable' or 'don't have a hope' is fanboy rubbish - there are still way too many unknowns at this stage.

IMO ASO think Quintana would be a popular winner, and have avoided the 'monoclimb first day in the mountains' so Froome can't kill things off early this time.

 

[dacooley]

lol, froome will not with the tour as I don't want him to win. brilliant logic.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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lol, froome will not with the tour as I don't want him to win. brilliant logic.

Maybe quote the post so everyone can see this brilliant logic

 

[cantpedal]

I think a lot of you should review the GT podiums over the last five years...

I don't have to review them, they're all in my head. Now what?? What is it I should notice?

That for a rider that doesn't have the ability to hold form for 3 weeks he seems to do all right