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Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

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Is Froome over the hill?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 28 35.4%
  • No, the GC finished 40 minutes ago but Froomie is still climbing it

    Votes: 45 57.0%
  • No he is totally winning the Vuelta

    Votes: 18 22.8%

  • Total voters
    79
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blackmamba said:
ray j willings said:
Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it :D
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" :D who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!
You say Froome has never beaten Contador 'on even terms', but Contador hasn't beaten Froome on even terms either. I don't know if you want to bring up the Dauphiné 2014 now, but there, Froome first beat Contador despite doing all of the work, and then he was affected by a crash. Regardless, the fact that Froome beat a Giro-tired Contador at the Tour doesn't prove that Contador is actually the strongest anyway. Fact is they are both favourites for the Tour and we'll have to wait and see who is actually the strongest come July.
 
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Vasilis said:
blackmamba said:
ray j willings said:
Some of the comments here about Froome and how he just has to turn up to win it :D
Its just crazy and verging on trolling in your own thread.
Froome would not have won last years tour but for a lucky wind split. He was struggling to hold onto Thomas's wheel in the last week and a half and Quintana was stronger in the mountains and should have won.
So how you Froome fans think he his a certain winner when he will have to cope with a focused Bertie a bonkers Astana and don't forget that "chap" :D who beat Froome at the Vuelta last year when he tried one of his crazy small ring attacks and a more determined Quintana ....
He has no chance. He will lose minutes in the last week against such strong opposition. He has never faced this kind of opposition in a tour. He did at the Vuelta and a injured Bertie kicked his as%

Dreaming is all you can do I'm afraid reality will bite hard this year.

Truth is Froome have never beaten Contador ever in his life on even terms and this every person in cycling with just a little bit knowledge knows, in fact its the other way around (vuelta 14 is the closest they have been competing in a grand Tour together,) besides 2014 Tour ofcourse, but we all know what happened to both of them there.

Saying Froome beat a Contador last year who rode the Giro and use that as a benchmark just goes to show how educated you are on the matter and how hopeless and no point trying to even explain it to people who deny to face proven facts or just cant understand it.

This years Tour is gonne be betwen Quintana and Contador!
You say Froome has never beaten Contador 'on even terms', but Contador hasn't beaten Froome on even terms either. I don't know if you want to bring up the Dauphiné 2014 now, but there, Froome first beat Contador despite doing all of the work, and then he was affected by a crash. Regardless, the fact that Froome beat a Giro-tired Contador at the Tour doesn't prove that Contador is actually the strongest anyway. Fact is they are both favourites for the Tour and we'll have to wait and see who is actually the strongest come July.

Not sure if you read it all, but Vuelta 14 is the closest reference we got in a 3 week GT im terms of them both beeing on equally terms in conditions. Im not saying they was at exactly the same condition cause that we cannot know, but definitely the closest they ever been in a 3 week GT so naturally the best way to judge from.

Yes indeed lets wait and see, its no point speculating, we know what we know based on history and previous things but that doesnt necessarily mean it will happen. I just get annoyed when short minded people bring up stupid things which doesnt make sense at all, like ''oh Contador hasnt been able to peak in the tour since 09'' when they cant comprehend the big picture as to why and fail to understand it. Statement which doesnt make sense, is all they can say and honestly since they got nothing reasonable facts to bring up I find it pretty funny.

If however a single fact to actually prove otherwice based on facts and things we know, and actually more educated than Froome beat Contador in 15 stuff which doesnt make sense for everyone with an IQ over 50 then well have and discussion, then it would actually be a discussion but since noone can since it doenst exist lets just leave it at that cause its no point !
 
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therealthing said:
Awful awful day for Froome and co. today. The unluckiest of punctures and G dropped fairly quickly on the last climb. Should've sent him back to help Froome, who looked like he gave up quickly trying t get back on.

In that situation you can't send back a rider like Thomas. It's not like Froome would have done much having had to make the effort to get back on anyway.
 
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Seems froome is just following 2012 where he last did tour-Olympics-vuelta. It makes perfect sense especially given that the tour will be played out in 2-3 week. I doubt he's ill otherwise we would have heard of it. See how he is in dauphine.
 
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JRanton said:
therealthing said:
Awful awful day for Froome and co. today. The unluckiest of punctures and G dropped fairly quickly on the last climb. Should've sent him back to help Froome, who looked like he gave up quickly trying t get back on.

In that situation you can't send back a rider like Thomas. It's not like Froome would have done much having had to make the effort to get back on anyway.

Frustratingly I missed what happened after the mechanical, but had Froome's team been stronger I guess he might have had a chance to get back on, Stannard missing, seemingly out of form Swift and Kwia is a blow, then you have a neo pro Peters, with Thomas having to concentrate on his own race that just leaves Nieve and Puccio
 
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vedrafjord said:
All the tiresome 'my dad is bigger than your dad' posts should go in the Froome vs Contador thread.

In terms of form, Contador has had the best run so far this year, with Quintana not too far off. However Froome was completely anonymous last year between Andalucia in February and the Dauphiné in June, and still won the Tour. And in 2014 Nibali showed up with no form whatsoever.

I just want a good race in July, and hope that with Valverde gone Movistar might be a bit less cautious. The idea that any of Contador/Froome/Quintana are either 'unbeatable' or 'don't have a hope' is fanboy rubbish - there are still way too many unknowns at this stage.

IMO ASO think Quintana would be a popular winner, and have avoided the 'monoclimb first day in the mountains' so Froome can't kill things off early this time.

Amen. Good to hear a voice of reason.
 
Don't know what to say about this performance even with that wheel change.I wasn't expecting him to win the race but to be so bad her after a mediocre Catalunya is strange.Dauphine will give the definitive answer but at the moment it doesn't look good at all :(
 
Maybe you all are right and that he just gave up. I was surprised no one stopped with him to help pace him back to the main group. Tomorrow will be very telling. I don't think he's on great form, which doesn't make sense given all the training camps he's attended (not to mention perfecting synchronized steering with his team).
 
If this happened to Bertie, imagine the panic, fans jumping out the windows :D . But in Froome's case, no reason to hit the panic button. His focus is the Tour. Nice training ride today, he's so far behind that he can go for a stage and no one will react among the GC contenders if he attacks. For me, after his poor showing at LBL, it's a bit sad: a rider of his stature should never lose double-digit minutes or finish 100th+. That bothers me. But Froome doesn't care if it bothers me. It's all about July after all.
 

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