Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Taxus4a]

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The excuse now is different peaks?

How else can you explain how a mediocre rider turns into the world's best climber and tt specialist in the season his contract expires?

You are telling lot of lies:

if you are intereated about Froome, just read:

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

The excuse now is different peaks?

How else can you explain how a mediocre rider turns into the world's best climber and tt specialist in the season his contract expires?

You are telling lot of lies:

if you are intereated about Froome, just read:

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

I'm merely stating facts. You probably never even heard of Froome before 2011. And I'll pass on these explanation origin stories of champions, they're all BS.

 

[Taxus4a]

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The excuse now is different peaks?

How else can you explain how a mediocre rider turns into the world's best climber and tt specialist in the season his contract expires?

I can ask you something a little different: how can you explain why a rider, who no one knew prior to 2011, beat Contador 2 times in the greatest GT of all? Maybe Froome is having a 4 year-long peak, while Contador is having a 5 year-long off-peak? Perhaps Contador doesn't have it anymore, especially since his ban?

Froome didn't have the cycling education that Contador had which would have set him back since he was born in Kenya.
Bilharzia affected Froome for a long time, he only began treatment in 2010 after the vuelta when he was disgnosed with it. This is about the most believable reason u'll ever hear for a rider making a breakthrough. Bilharzia has many bad effects but some are increased illness and reduced oxygen in the bloodstream. Both are fairly important to cyclists.

Froome did a first Touir de france at the same age than Contador did much betetr than him.
Nobody praised Contador in his first Tour becouse he did not anything important to pray, he didnt worked, he just try to do well and newer was close to the best people.

But Froome deserved be praised at least 2 times in that Tour, The queen stage and the final ITT, ehnyoiu see if a rider is good for 3 weeks or not. In general, his Tour was amazing considering the circunstances, if you dont look at the classification...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPd4aZQmDuQ

 

[Ataraxus]

Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

 

[jsem94]

Re:

Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

The excuse now is different peaks?

How else can you explain how a mediocre rider turns into the world's best climber and tt specialist in the season his contract expires?

You are telling lot of lies:

if you are intereated about Froome, just read:

http://patrimoniociclista.blogspot.com.es/2013/06/an-unpolished-diamond-story-of-chris.html

I'm merely stating facts. You probably never even heard of Froome before 2011. And I'll pass on these explanation origin stories of champions, they're all BS.

read and you will find that... if you are interested.

Almost everything in that log work is about Froome before 2011, interviews, result, races, what people said about him, etc...

I followed froome since 2008 and I took picture of him always I saw him as you can see there.

 

[cantpedal]

Re: Re:

The excuse now is different peaks?

How else can you explain how a mediocre rider turns into the world's best climber and tt specialist in the season his contract expires?

I can give you plenty reasons, just not in this part of the forum

that works both ways with a lot more evidence on the record for one of the two in question.

 

[El Pistolero]

Re:

Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

Not really, I ignore most of his posts as they're way too incoherent.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re:

Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

I dont know who is el pistolero, i give arguments and I answer to everybody.

Some people is blind or deaf, and it is useless, but I must always do, I hope no in this case.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

Not really, I ignore most of his posts as they're way too incoherent.

They may be, but you are obnoxious.

Taxus has always hyped Froome and believed in him.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

Not really, I ignore most of his posts as they're way too incoherent.

Please, read that article and some days later tell me what is incoherent.

Till that moment, you cant writte things that are just wrong.

 

[pastronef]

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Froome did a first Touir de france at the same age than Contador did much betetr than him.
Nobody praised Contador in his first Tour becouse he did not anything important to pray, he didnt worked, he just try to do well and newer was close to the best people.

But Froome deserved be praised at least 2 times in that Tour, The queen stage and the final ITT, ehnyoiu see if a rider is good for 3 weeks or not. In general, his Tour was amazing considering the circunstances, if you dont look at the classification...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPd4aZQmDuQ

good point

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

Not really, I ignore most of his posts as they're way too incoherent.

They may be, but you are obnoxious.

Taxus has always hyped Froome and believed in him.

I believed in a lot of people, of course not just Froome

I admit when I took that picture from him in Valladolid in that Vuelta a Castilla y leon I have lost my hopes in him... I didnt know some results anyway, just the important races, I dindt know his second place in the britith ITT...

But sudenly the nest day he did very well and he finiseh that Vuelta in 15 position.. that gave me hopes again.

And in september he got the level he pointed at 2008.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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True, Contador is the rider who won the largest amount of GTs since 2012. However, he won 0 Tours since 2009.
You can justify everything you want, but the Tour is the greatest GT of all and Contador simply hasn't delivered good performances there, at least, good enough to win it. Whether that's due to lack of form, lack of capacity, or lack of something else is irrelevant to the point. Froome, on the other hand, won 2 of them, hence why Contador's not the greatest GT rider since 2010/11.

About the sudden rise of Froome, well, we can also talk about the drop of form of Contador since 2012. Not in this part of the forum, but it's quite clear it has happened. Contador was an absolute beast since his ban, but after it he no longer was the guy from who people could say "it's a little bit too scary when Contador attacks".


My point here is obvious: though Contador is still one of the best, he can no longer crush the opposition as he could before 2012. Back in the day, only Schleck could accompany him. Now he can barely accompany Froome and Quintana.

So what's Froome's excuse of being an absolute nobody from 2007 till 2011? Contador has shown brilliant performances ever since he became a pro back in 2003. Either different peaks in their career (early burner vs. late burner) or something we can't discuss here.

Having a good youth record means nothing whatsoever. Many athletes start programmes as teenagers when they realise they have a decent chance of making it onto the pro scene

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

Taxus and Pistolero....
A long lasting complicated relationship is about to start in this forum.

Not really, I ignore most of his posts as they're way too incoherent.

They may be, but you are obnoxious.

Taxus has always hyped Froome and believed in him.

He only joined in 2012. Not hard to believe in Froome then lol. From what I've read about Taxus he hypes and believes in every GC rider that isn't named Contador. Like his constant over-hyping of Landa.

No one saw Froome as a Tour winner (or any other GT) at the start of the 2011 season. That's a a mere fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-khEYhppBs

 

[postmanhat]

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I have said in cycling never things are whats looks, sometimes when you think something bad of someone it is just the contrary and the opossite, but of course the way Froome ride it is like if he has a motor inside the bike and just at one moment when he is dropped then he press button and after that it doesnt matter other paces or other wheels, even of team mates, the motor is on and he cant stop...

It is his own engine that worked that way, but it is quite amazing. IMO is spectacular.

Froome getting dropped, then coming through the field like Seabiscuit is fast becoming one of my favourite things about pro cycling. Everyone knows it's likely to happen, and it must really, really mess with his rival's heads

 

[El Pistolero]

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True, Contador is the rider who won the largest amount of GTs since 2012. However, he won 0 Tours since 2009.
You can justify everything you want, but the Tour is the greatest GT of all and Contador simply hasn't delivered good performances there, at least, good enough to win it. Whether that's due to lack of form, lack of capacity, or lack of something else is irrelevant to the point. Froome, on the other hand, won 2 of them, hence why Contador's not the greatest GT rider since 2010/11.

About the sudden rise of Froome, well, we can also talk about the drop of form of Contador since 2012. Not in this part of the forum, but it's quite clear it has happened. Contador was an absolute beast since his ban, but after it he no longer was the guy from who people could say "it's a little bit too scary when Contador attacks".


My point here is obvious: though Contador is still one of the best, he can no longer crush the opposition as he could before 2012. Back in the day, only Schleck could accompany him. Now he can barely accompany Froome and Quintana.

So what's Froome's excuse of being an absolute nobody from 2007 till 2011? Contador has shown brilliant performances ever since he became a pro back in 2003. Either different peaks in their career (early burner vs. late burner) or something we can't discuss here.

Having a good youth record means nothing whatsoever. Many athletes start programmes as teenagers when they realise they have a decent chance of making it onto the pro scene

Find me one champion in today's cycling world that didn't show some promising results in the youth ranks. Boonen, Cancellara, Contador, Sagan, Nibali, Kittel, Degenkolb, Valverde, Quintana, Kwiatkowski etc. were winning races left and right in the youth ranks...

And you're not allowed to answer with Froome.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

True, Contador is the rider who won the largest amount of GTs since 2012. However, he won 0 Tours since 2009.
You can justify everything you want, but the Tour is the greatest GT of all and Contador simply hasn't delivered good performances there, at least, good enough to win it. Whether that's due to lack of form, lack of capacity, or lack of something else is irrelevant to the point. Froome, on the other hand, won 2 of them, hence why Contador's not the greatest GT rider since 2010/11.

About the sudden rise of Froome, well, we can also talk about the drop of form of Contador since 2012. Not in this part of the forum, but it's quite clear it has happened. Contador was an absolute beast since his ban, but after it he no longer was the guy from who people could say "it's a little bit too scary when Contador attacks".


My point here is obvious: though Contador is still one of the best, he can no longer crush the opposition as he could before 2012. Back in the day, only Schleck could accompany him. Now he can barely accompany Froome and Quintana.

So what's Froome's excuse of being an absolute nobody from 2007 till 2011? Contador has shown brilliant performances ever since he became a pro back in 2003. Either different peaks in their career (early burner vs. late burner) or something we can't discuss here.

Having a good youth record means nothing whatsoever. Many athletes start programmes as teenagers when they realise they have a decent chance of making it onto the pro scene

Find me one champion in today's cycling world that didn't show some promising results in the youth ranks. Boonen, Cancellara, Contador, Sagan, Nibali, Kittel, Degenkolb, Valverde, Quintana, Kwiatkowski etc. were winning races left and right in the youth ranks...

And you're not allowed to answer with Froome.

Chris Horner and Ryder Hesjedal didn't show too much, but then again they both showed more than Froome and didn't reach Froome's level either. So I'll just give my full reply to this in the clinic

 

[Oliwright]

Re: Re:

True, Contador is the rider who won the largest amount of GTs since 2012. However, he won 0 Tours since 2009.
You can justify everything you want, but the Tour is the greatest GT of all and Contador simply hasn't delivered good performances there, at least, good enough to win it. Whether that's due to lack of form, lack of capacity, or lack of something else is irrelevant to the point. Froome, on the other hand, won 2 of them, hence why Contador's not the greatest GT rider since 2010/11.

About the sudden rise of Froome, well, we can also talk about the drop of form of Contador since 2012. Not in this part of the forum, but it's quite clear it has happened. Contador was an absolute beast since his ban, but after it he no longer was the guy from who people could say "it's a little bit too scary when Contador attacks".


My point here is obvious: though Contador is still one of the best, he can no longer crush the opposition as he could before 2012. Back in the day, only Schleck could accompany him. Now he can barely accompany Froome and Quintana.

So what's Froome's excuse of being an absolute nobody from 2007 till 2011? Contador has shown brilliant performances ever since he became a pro back in 2003. Either different peaks in their career (early burner vs. late burner) or something we can't discuss here.

Having a good youth record means nothing whatsoever. Many athletes start programmes as teenagers when they realise they have a decent chance of making it onto the pro scene

Find me one champion in today's cycling world that didn't show some promising results in the youth ranks. Boonen, Cancellara, Contador, Sagan, Nibali, Kittel, Degenkolb, Valverde, Quintana, Kwiatkowski etc. were winning races left and right in the youth ranks...

And you're not allowed to answer with Froome.

Froome did show promise ur wrong.
He won races in other parts of the world.
Froome has a 100% valid reason in Bilharzia as to why when he got over it in 2011 after being diagnosed in 2010 that he won.
I could argue that any rider in the peleton is doping. But only time will tell so pointless discussing. Enjoy the racing for what it is
ANYWAY move off this topic.

 

[Red Rick]

Right.

Please discuss the riders, not your opinions of each other, and if you want to talk about clinic stuff, then go there. Further clinic posts will be deleted

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

True, Contador is the rider who won the largest amount of GTs since 2012. However, he won 0 Tours since 2009.
You can justify everything you want, but the Tour is the greatest GT of all and Contador simply hasn't delivered good performances there, at least, good enough to win it. Whether that's due to lack of form, lack of capacity, or lack of something else is irrelevant to the point. Froome, on the other hand, won 2 of them, hence why Contador's not the greatest GT rider since 2010/11.

About the sudden rise of Froome, well, we can also talk about the drop of form of Contador since 2012. Not in this part of the forum, but it's quite clear it has happened. Contador was an absolute beast since his ban, but after it he no longer was the guy from who people could say "it's a little bit too scary when Contador attacks".


My point here is obvious: though Contador is still one of the best, he can no longer crush the opposition as he could before 2012. Back in the day, only Schleck could accompany him. Now he can barely accompany Froome and Quintana.

So what's Froome's excuse of being an absolute nobody from 2007 till 2011? Contador has shown brilliant performances ever since he became a pro back in 2003. Either different peaks in their career (early burner vs. late burner) or something we can't discuss here.

Having a good youth record means nothing whatsoever. Many athletes start programmes as teenagers when they realise they have a decent chance of making it onto the pro scene

Find me one champion in today's cycling world that didn't show some promising results in the youth ranks. Boonen, Cancellara, Contador, Sagan, Nibali, Kittel, Degenkolb, Valverde, Quintana, Kwiatkowski etc. were winning races left and right in the youth ranks...

And you're not allowed to answer with Froome.

Lot o riders a long history, but in the case of frokme he always got excepcional number in hi test.. and he got very good reults from his first year in cycling. He showed aleways his potential.

if you dont want to ee it, it is stupid to talk with you about you, you just talk, you dont listen. If you dont want to read that link, it is that you dont want any answer that it not in concordance with your own thoughs...

i dont want to waste more energies in you, if you read, if you listen, I am here.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Just for the record, prior to Wiggins' crash at the 2011 Tour, Froome was to be Sky's co-leader at the Vuelta I believe

 

[Taxus4a]

He wanst lucky sometimes, and he hd a lot of things to learn about cycling and to improve, as his weight, but he got some good reults, more important other than this victory, but if you only give importence to victories...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IboGUAJ7TaM

 

[Taxus4a]

IMo, his best result in Europe in 2007, his really forst pro year was this:

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=5298

the only day he didnt crash at that race. he was the stronger.

 

[El Pistolero]

He wanst lucky sometimes, and he hd a lot of things to learn about cycling and to improve, as his weight, but he got some good reults, more important other than this victory, but if you only give importence to victories...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IboGUAJ7TaM

Tour of Japan... Hardly a victory worth mentioning. Take a look at the winners of that race...

At age 21 Nibali won the GP Quest France-Plouay and was third in the Eneco Tour. He was also second in the Settimana Coppi e Bartali and won a stage there. Those are promising results for a youngster.

At age 21 Boonen was third in Paris-Roubaix...