Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Taxus4a]

He wanst lucky sometimes, and he hd a lot of things to learn about cycling and to improve, as his weight, but he got some good reults, more important other than this victory, but if you only give importence to victories...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IboGUAJ7TaM

Tour of Japan... Hardly a victory worth mentioning. Take a look at the winners of that race...

At age 21 Nibali won the GP Quest France-Plouay and was third in the Eneco Tour. He was also second in the Settimana Coppi e Bartali and won a stage there. Those are promising results for a youngster.

At age 21 Boonen was third in Paris-Roubaix...

i writted my article to didnt write the same every time over those kind of question or assestment. You dont know anything about froome, so read, and you will find you answer.

But you dont want.

To try to compare Nibali, Pinot, Contador,.. trayectorywith a kenyan rider who started cycling at 20 is useless.

if you just need tolook at people reult with 20 years toknow wich rider willbedoinant at 30 cycling forecat will be so easy.. but cycling is not like that...every cycling has his own story, his own charactristics and his own development. But as I said in this case he stared in euope in the transtional era...you know what I mean...

 

[Forever The Best]

He wanst lucky sometimes, and he hd a lot of things to learn about cycling and to improve, as his weight, but he got some good reults, more important other than this victory, but if you only give importence to victories...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IboGUAJ7TaM

Tour of Japan... Hardly a victory worth mentioning. Take a look at the winners of that race...

At age 21 Nibali won the GP Quest France-Plouay and was third in the Eneco Tour. He was also second in the Settimana Coppi e Bartali and won a stage there. Those are promising results for a youngster.

At age 21 Boonen was third in Paris-Roubaix...

Screw them.None of them come anywhere near Anatomic Jock Race

 

[PremierAndrew]

I wonder if Froome is bsing about the whole going in less prepared and peaking later on. If he isn't, then either Contador and Porte were both really bad and just made this version of Froome look good compared to them or he's at a much higher level than last year, which would be quite daunting to say the least. He should not be this good a month before the first week of the Tour

 

[Taxus4a]

He wanst lucky sometimes, and he hd a lot of things to learn about cycling and to improve, as his weight, but he got some good reults, more important other than this victory, but if you only give importence to victories...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IboGUAJ7TaM

Tour of Japan... Hardly a victory worth mentioning. Take a look at the winners of that race...

At age 21 Nibali won the GP Quest France-Plouay and was third in the Eneco Tour. He was also second in the Settimana Coppi e Bartali and won a stage there. Those are promising results for a youngster.

At age 21 Boonen was third in Paris-Roubaix...

there are moe victories, of coure, but of you think that only that is importantat to evaluate the potential of a rider when he is young...

i think Carlos Verona will be a Tour contender. and he didnt came from Africa, and he didnt startedlate cycling, and he has not heath problems, he know more now about cycling than Froome with 27.

Acording to you, Jungels should be more a Tour conbtender than Verona... we will see...we could ay Hugh Carthy will be an start,and maybe ye, but maybe in 2 years he is nobody...

 

[Tonton]

Settimana Lombarda '11, 20 year-old Pinot won, including the 1st stage, Pozzo was 3rd of that stage iirc.

https://youtu.be/GoGGZk2y3Eg

But back to the thread: big for Froome today.

 

[Poursuivant]

Re:

I wonder if Froome is bsing about the whole going in less prepared and peaking later on. If he isn't, then either Contador and Porte were both really bad and just made this version of Froome look good compared to them or he's at a much higher level than last year, which would be quite daunting to say the least. He should not be this good a month before the first week of the Tour

This is an interesting point, I actually think he is stronger at this years Dauphine than at last years. I don't know if Sky were expecting this, they don't seem too surprised, maybe they're thinking less race days before TDF, will mesn he peaks later. I am not convinced. However, I do think he will get better.

 

[Jelantik]

Re: Re:

I wonder if Froome is bsing about the whole going in less prepared and peaking later on. If he isn't, then either Contador and Porte were both really bad and just made this version of Froome look good compared to them or he's at a much higher level than last year, which would be quite daunting to say the least. He should not be this good a month before the first week of the Tour

This is an interesting point, I actually think he is stronger at this years Dauphine than at last years. I don't know if Sky were expecting this, they don't seem too surprised, maybe they're thinking less race days before TDF, will mesn he peaks later. I am not convinced. However, I do think he will get better.

I think so too. Froome looks better this year than last year. He did an impressive attack today. 3 brutal acceleration back to back or something? If this is the 80% Froome looks like, we'll be seeing his 2013 form again or better. That's a scary proposal for his opponents. Better hope the little columbian is up to the task as his kryptonite.

 

[cantpedal]

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True, Contador is the rider who won the largest amount of GTs since 2012. However, he won 0 Tours since 2009.
You can justify everything you want, but the Tour is the greatest GT of all and Contador simply hasn't delivered good performances there, at least, good enough to win it. Whether that's due to lack of form, lack of capacity, or lack of something else is irrelevant to the point. Froome, on the other hand, won 2 of them, hence why Contador's not the greatest GT rider since 2010/11.

About the sudden rise of Froome, well, we can also talk about the drop of form of Contador since 2012. Not in this part of the forum, but it's quite clear it has happened. Contador was an absolute beast since his ban, but after it he no longer was the guy from who people could say "it's a little bit too scary when Contador attacks".


My point here is obvious: though Contador is still one of the best, he can no longer crush the opposition as he could before 2012. Back in the day, only Schleck could accompany him. Now he can barely accompany Froome and Quintana.

So what's Froome's excuse of being an absolute nobody from 2007 till 2011? Contador has shown brilliant performances ever since he became a pro back in 2003. Either different peaks in their career (early burner vs. late burner) or something we can't discuss here.

Having a good youth record means nothing whatsoever. Many athletes start programmes as teenagers when they realise they have a decent chance of making it onto the pro scene

even later than that = a lot of guys who win L'Avenir disappear shortly there after. Though its on a decent streak lately. Still I can think of only a handful that have one a GT since the late 80"s

 

[boasson]

Re: Re:

I wonder if Froome is bsing about the whole going in less prepared and peaking later on. If he isn't, then either Contador and Porte were both really bad and just made this version of Froome look good compared to them or he's at a much higher level than last year, which would be quite daunting to say the least. He should not be this good a month before the first week of the Tour

This is an interesting point, I actually think he is stronger at this years Dauphine than at last years. I don't know if Sky were expecting this, they don't seem too surprised, maybe they're thinking less race days before TDF, will mesn he peaks later. I am not convinced. However, I do think he will get better.

I think its normal that he is better than the last year. 2015 he was ill in March and skip the Tirreno. This year he was training in South Africa in March with long and hard training days.
2014 he was awesome at the first 2 dauphine stages, put 10s into a flying A.C at the Prolouge and showed at the first MTF that he is by far the best rider. For me the best Dauphine-Froome ever! After that he crashed and was suffering.

This year he looks pretty relaxed, confident and fresh. He get better at every race. At Catalunya he was little behind Quinti and A.C. At Romandie he was at the same level as the GC Guys, rode a very good TT and won the queen stage. And at Dauphine he is maybe a little above them all. I think its likely that he will be a bit more fresher after the Dauphine compared to the last years. So he can peak as usual at first MTF at the Tour and maybe hold the shape a week longer.

 

[rick james]

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I wonder if Froome is bsing about the whole going in less prepared and peaking later on. If he isn't, then either Contador and Porte were both really bad and just made this version of Froome look good compared to them or he's at a much higher level than last year, which would be quite daunting to say the least. He should not be this good a month before the first week of the Tour

Contadors collapse was bigger than froome's form...I mean young yates beat him

 

[Pricey_sky]

Not bad today, no harm in being out sprinted by Dan Martin. Especially as Froome followed Contadors attack near the summit of Madeleine, according to many Twitter reports they were chasing Aru and Bardet and were ahead of the bunch for some time.

 

[Eclipse]

Surprised to read some comments today saying he didn't look that good. He looked firmly in control to me and never had a real need to attack himself. There's nothing bad about not being able to completely hang on to a Dan Martin attack on a steep punchy section less than 1k to go, particularly when the latter hasn't put his nose into the wind at all.

 

[JRanton]

You can tell it's a one week race with some of the names up there. Pretty good from Froome. Set tempo for a bit and then was able to finish strongly.

 

[Jspear]

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Surprised to read some comments today saying he didn't look that good. He looked firmly in control to me and never had a real need to attack himself. There's nothing bad about not being able to completely hang on to a Dan Martin attack on a steep punchy section less than 1k to go, particularly when the latter hasn't put his nose into the wind at all.

True. Besides he often looks "bad" and then does one of his crazy attacks...just look at yesterday's stage. You can't go by looks with Froome.

 

[rick james]

he looked comfortable today...great pull from Landa

 

[DBotero]

Decent ride,never in danger of losing the jersey.Looking ready to add another Dauphine to his records.

 

[pastronef]

nice video message from Froome to Girdlestone who's recovering from the bad crash

https://www.twitter.com/DesereG/status/741374844940386304

 

[MatParker117]

Great Dauphiné onto the tour.

 

[SeriousSam]

Froome looked in complete control throughout the race

 

[DBotero]

Easy day despite Contador attacks.On track for another TDF win

 

[Scarponi]

Does not look overly comfortable ever when there is multiple attacks and his team thin out but he is just so strong he rides across. Will be in trouble in Contador finds a little extra on the attacks or Quintana goes with him.

 

[TMP402]

When Etixx ramped up the pressure, and Froome chased them down alone, it was a rare moment of losing his cool that I think sapped his energy a bit.

 

[sir fly]

He'll need his best time trialling in order to prevent traumatic third week.

 

[Põhja Konn]

His TT-ing is the big unknown factor remaining now. We haven't seen Froome do a stellar TT for 2 years, since Dauphine 2014.

Last time we saw him TT-ing (not counting Dauphine prologue for obvious reasons) was in Romandie. He was very average there, equal with Quintana and losing to Pinot all the while showing pretty decent climbing form during the rest of that race. By average I mean average compared to the level he showed 2-3 years ago.

He might very well reach that level again in the Tour, but as of now, it is by no means certain.

 

[KGB]

Hopefully he will stay on that level and not improve it.Otherwise Contador and Nairo could only pray for his crash on decent or be ill.