Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[argyllflyer]

Re:

What is sure is that Froome is not going to publish in the media he has some fibrilar muscles broken, becouse that is nothing to say. He will take more rest than predicted after the Tour and no more. He will be very strong in Brazil, although this is a problem.

He slid hence the road rash - not sure there was a collossal impact. He'd have done more damage flopping over at the start line. Not saying he isn't hurting but it was not as bad as it might have been.

 

[Ramira]

Why was he pushing on the last bit of that descent. He could afford to let Bardet go. Hope he isn't badly injured.

Reminiscent of Kruijswijk in the Giro, unnecessarily trying to follow Nibali

He was ahead of him.

Ehm, no he wasnt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga0r3xqOciY

Edit: 55 seconds in.

Nibali was following Froome.


He= Froome
Him = Nibali.

In what world would I be talking about Froome following Nibali? He was clearly following Bardet...

I was making the comparison between Kruijswijk following Nibali and Froome following Bardet.

I guess I misunderstood, but I still don't get how anyone could think I meant Froome was following Nibali....

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

Vuelta has, in the past 12 years anyway, been a prize for either a Tour superdomestique or for someone coming off a disappointing Tour de France. Over the same period, Giro has been a half step more pretigious than Vuelta, with a number of top riders targeting it as their primary annual objective. Recently, nobody at the top of cycling has targeted the Vuelta as their primary season objective. It's like the girl you see at the bar near closing time.

In the last few years the Vuelta's field has been significantly better than in the early 2000s or any other part of its history actually. But I do agree that the Giro is more prestigious and also more beautiful. Still, winning the Vuelta is an impressive feat and I'd rate it higher than winning any of the five Monuments.

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. WC RR
4. Vuelta
5. The five Monuments
6. WC TT
7. T-A / P-N / Vuelta al Pais Vasco
8. G-W, FW, E3 Harelbeke, AGR
9. Dauphiné (too close to the Tour to be ranked higher)
10. Tour de Suisse (too close to the Tour and pathetic field)

Like, what?

 

[TMP402]

Why was he pushing on the last bit of that descent. He could afford to let Bardet go. Hope he isn't badly injured.

Reminiscent of Kruijswijk in the Giro, unnecessarily trying to follow Nibali

He was ahead of him.

Ehm, no he wasnt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga0r3xqOciY

Edit: 55 seconds in.

Nibali was following Froome.


He= Froome
Him = Nibali.

unnecessarily trying to follow Nibali = Kruijswijk unnecessarily trying to follow Nibali

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

What is sure is that Froome is not going to publish in the media he has some fibrilar muscles broken, becouse that is nothing to say. He will take more rest than predicted after the Tour and no more. He will be very strong in Brazil, although this is a problem.

He slid hence the road rash - not sure there was a collossal impact. He'd have done more damage flopping over at the start line. Not saying he isn't hurting but it was not as bad as it might have been.

Contador crash was more espectacular, but he get up early as Froome and he was out the saddle pushing hard with his team mates to get the peloton.

Contador maybe got more damage in his second crash, according his words, wich was at low speed...anyway it was just a his on the leg muscle...enough to have worse performance and ti leave the Tour.., yes, but nothing serious.

Surely, the same Froome, nothing serius, but tomorrow will pay the change of oval ring.. Sastre won the Tour with that ring and he said on sspanish TV you dont pay that the same day but the next day....to add he wont sleep very well, body wasting energie in recovering and the hard stage...it will be a hard day for sure, especially with rain.. but I hope he win this Tour becouse he deserve it...excpt tomorrow Bardet, Quintana or other rider ride an epic stage wich make them deserve the win.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Vuelta has, in the past 12 years anyway, been a prize for either a Tour superdomestique or for someone coming off a disappointing Tour de France. Over the same period, Giro has been a half step more pretigious than Vuelta, with a number of top riders targeting it as their primary annual objective. Recently, nobody at the top of cycling has targeted the Vuelta as their primary season objective. It's like the girl you see at the bar near closing time.

In the last few years the Vuelta's field has been significantly better than in the early 2000s or any other part of its history actually. But I do agree that the Giro is more prestigious and also more beautiful. Still, winning the Vuelta is an impressive feat and I'd rate it higher than winning any of the five Monuments.

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. WC RR
4. Vuelta
5. The five Monuments
6. WC TT
7. T-A / P-N / Vuelta al Pais Vasco
8. G-W, FW, E3 Harelbeke, AGR
9. Dauphiné (too close to the Tour to be ranked higher)
10. Tour de Suisse (too close to the Tour and pathetic field)

Dauphine below Pais Vasco? What?

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. Vuelta
4. World RR
5. PR
6. LBL/RVV/MSR
7. Lombardia
8. WC TT
9. T-A/P-N/Dauphine
10. GW/E3/Fleche/AGR/Pais Vasco
11. Strade Bianche/Romandie/San Sebastian
12. Eneco/Suisse/Paris-Tours (These days at least)
13. Tour Down Under/Quebec/Montreal/Plouay/Vattenfall

 

[perico]

Re: Re:

Vuelta has, in the past 12 years anyway, been a prize for either a Tour superdomestique or for someone coming off a disappointing Tour de France. Over the same period, Giro has been a half step more pretigious than Vuelta, with a number of top riders targeting it as their primary annual objective. Recently, nobody at the top of cycling has targeted the Vuelta as their primary season objective. It's like the girl you see at the bar near closing time.

In the last few years the Vuelta's field has been significantly better than in the early 2000s or any other part of its history actually. But I do agree that the Giro is more prestigious and also more beautiful. Still, winning the Vuelta is an impressive feat and I'd rate it higher than winning any of the five Monuments.

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. WC RR
4. Vuelta
5. The five Monuments
6. WC TT
7. T-A / P-N / Vuelta al Pais Vasco
8. G-W, FW, E3 Harelbeke, AGR
9. Dauphiné (too close to the Tour to be ranked higher)
10. Tour de Suisse (too close to the Tour and pathetic field)

Dauphine below Pais Vasco? What?

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. Vuelta
4. World RR
5. PR
6. LBL/RVV/MSR
7. Lombardia
8. WC TT
9. T-A/P-N/Dauphine
10. GW/E3/Fleche/AGR/Pais Vasco
11. Strade Bianche/Romandie/San Sebastian
12. Eneco/Suisse/Paris-Tours (These days at least)
13. Tour Down Under/Quebec/Montreal/Plouay/Vattenfall

Catalunya???

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re: Re:

Vuelta has, in the past 12 years anyway, been a prize for either a Tour superdomestique or for someone coming off a disappointing Tour de France. Over the same period, Giro has been a half step more pretigious than Vuelta, with a number of top riders targeting it as their primary annual objective. Recently, nobody at the top of cycling has targeted the Vuelta as their primary season objective. It's like the girl you see at the bar near closing time.

In the last few years the Vuelta's field has been significantly better than in the early 2000s or any other part of its history actually. But I do agree that the Giro is more prestigious and also more beautiful. Still, winning the Vuelta is an impressive feat and I'd rate it higher than winning any of the five Monuments.

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. WC RR
4. Vuelta
5. The five Monuments
6. WC TT
7. T-A / P-N / Vuelta al Pais Vasco
8. G-W, FW, E3 Harelbeke, AGR
9. Dauphiné (too close to the Tour to be ranked higher)
10. Tour de Suisse (too close to the Tour and pathetic field)

Dauphine below Pais Vasco? What?

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. Vuelta
4. World RR
5. PR
6. LBL/RVV/MSR
7. Lombardia
8. WC TT
9. T-A/P-N/Dauphine
10. GW/E3/Fleche/AGR/Pais Vasco
11. Strade Bianche/Romandie/San Sebastian
12. Eneco/Suisse/Paris-Tours (These days at least)
13. Tour Down Under/Quebec/Montreal/Plouay/Vattenfall

Vuelta is below any Monument.

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

Vuelta has, in the past 12 years anyway, been a prize for either a Tour superdomestique or for someone coming off a disappointing Tour de France. Over the same period, Giro has been a half step more pretigious than Vuelta, with a number of top riders targeting it as their primary annual objective. Recently, nobody at the top of cycling has targeted the Vuelta as their primary season objective. It's like the girl you see at the bar near closing time.

In the last few years the Vuelta's field has been significantly better than in the early 2000s or any other part of its history actually. But I do agree that the Giro is more prestigious and also more beautiful. Still, winning the Vuelta is an impressive feat and I'd rate it higher than winning any of the five Monuments.

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. WC RR
4. Vuelta
5. The five Monuments
6. WC TT
7. T-A / P-N / Vuelta al Pais Vasco
8. G-W, FW, E3 Harelbeke, AGR
9. Dauphiné (too close to the Tour to be ranked higher)
10. Tour de Suisse (too close to the Tour and pathetic field)

Dauphine below Pais Vasco? What?

1. Tour
2. Giro
3. Vuelta
4. World RR
5. PR
6. LBL/RVV/MSR
7. Lombardia
8. WC TT
9. T-A/P-N/Dauphine
10. GW/E3/Fleche/AGR/Pais Vasco
11. Strade Bianche/Romandie/San Sebastian
12. Eneco/Suisse/Paris-Tours (These days at least)
13. Tour Down Under/Quebec/Montreal/Plouay/Vattenfall

Nobody has the Dauphiné as a main target, Pais Vasco is often a main goal in the spring season for riders like Contador, Quintana, Rodriguez, etc.

 

[deValtos]

Your list is pretty solid apart from Pais Vasco.

That should be moved a lot lower. I doubt anyone can honestly remember the past winners of this race without having to look them up.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Solid ranking boys.

Big question is how much he is hurt. I remember the stage to Emosson where he was kinda hurt, but he bonked the next day to Morzine (?) when Talansky won. Could we have anything of that nature on our hands? His performances seems to drop quite a bit after a crash.

DaValtoss: I very much depends on who you ask. Its definitely one of my favourite races and considering who races Pais Vasco, it should be up there with TA/P-N.

 

[deValtos]

This is a good example of why you take time when you can.

He could very well need a lot of his 4 minute buffer.

 

[deValtos]

Re:

Solid ranking boys.

Big question is how much he is hurt. I remember the stage to Emosson where he was kinda hurt, but he bonked the next day to Morzine (?) when Talansky won. Could we have anything of that nature on our hands? His performances seems to drop quite a bit after a crash.

DaValtoss: I very much depends on who you ask. Its definitely one of my favourite races and considering who races Pais Vasco, it should be up there with TA/P-N.

Well it's an exciting race sure, and has lots of good riders and nice stages.

But at the end of the day I just forget about in the long run. Doesn't feel prestigious to me.

 

[tretiak]

Why was he pushing on the last bit of that descent. He could afford to let Bardet go. Hope he isn't badly injured.

He does not think clearly , he cycles like he knows that nothing can happen to him.

 

[Billie]

Why didn't he change bikes again. With 5 kms to go the teak sky car was right behind him?

 

[PremierAndrew]

Catalunya at same level as Pais Vasco.

And the same guys who target Pais Vasco turn up to the Dauphine in much better shape

 

[TMP402]

Why was he pushing on the last bit of that descent. He could afford to let Bardet go. Hope he isn't badly injured.

He does not think clearly , he cycles like he knows that nothing can happen to him.

Great insight.

 

[El Pistolero]

Re:

Catalunya at same level as Pais Vasco.

And the same guys who target Pais Vasco turn up to the Dauphine in much better shape

Nibali didn't care much for the Dauphiné in 2014 and already took yellow on stage 2 in the Tour and rode everyone on minutes on the cobbles. I know many people say he wouldn't have won if Froome didn't crash that year, but he would've. Froomie just wasn't riding spectacular that year. Nibali finished almost 12 minutes ahead of Bardet (who is second at the moment at a little more than 4 minutes).

 

[Von Mises]

Re: Re:

Nobody has the Dauphiné as a main target, Pais Vasco is often a main goal in the spring season for riders like Contador, Quintana, Rodriguez, etc.

Who (except Mosquera) has Vuelta as a main target?

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

Nobody has the Dauphiné as a main target, Pais Vasco is often a main goal in the spring season for riders like Contador, Quintana, Rodriguez, etc.

Who (except Mosquera) has Vuelta as a main target?

That's why it's below the Giro and WC RR.

 

[Gigs_98]

Now I'm really curious what will happen tomorrow. Would be horrible for him if he is injured and looses a lot of time tomorrow but as it has already been written by Valv.Piti, there was a quite similar situation in the Dauphine 2014 where the crash first only mattered a bit but then one day later he completely cracked and lost minutes on two wannabe first category climbs on the way to Courchevel.

 

[BigMac]

Re: Re:

Nobody has the Dauphiné as a main target, Pais Vasco is often a main goal in the spring season for riders like Contador, Quintana, Rodriguez, etc.

Who (except Mosquera) has Vuelta as a main target?

That's why it's below the Giro and WC RR.

And why is it above every Monument?

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Catalunya at same level as Pais Vasco.

And the same guys who target Pais Vasco turn up to the Dauphine in much better shape

Nibali didn't care much for the Dauphiné in 2014 and already took yellow on stage 2 in the Tour and rode everyone on minutes on the cobbles. I know many people say he wouldn't have won if Froome didn't crash that year, but he would've. Froomie just wasn't riding spectacular that year. Nibali finished almost 12 minutes ahead of Bardet (who is second at the moment at a little more than 4 minutes).

You say that like Bardet hasn't improved massively since 2014

Contador dropped and gained 3 seconds on Nibali on a Cat 3 on stage 8 of that Tour. Imagine how much damage he would have done on the proper climbs, and imagine how much damage he would have done when him and Froome teamed up against Nibali who had a 2-3 minute lead after the cobbles.
Not to mention Froome and Contador could wipe at least half of that deficit away on the time trial alone, and Froome was at minimum on par with Contador's level

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Nobody has the Dauphiné as a main target, Pais Vasco is often a main goal in the spring season for riders like Contador, Quintana, Rodriguez, etc.

Who (except Mosquera) has Vuelta as a main target?

That's why it's below the Giro and WC RR.

And why is it above every Monument?

And surely a single stage of the Tour de France is worth more than the overall GC in the Vuelta? Many people target tour stages

 

[tretiak]

Why was he pushing on the last bit of that descent. He could afford to let Bardet go. Hope he isn't badly injured.

He does not think clearly , he cycles like he knows that nothing can happen to him.

Great insight.

I think his plan before the stage was to attack downhill, but the rain would have got him to change his plan.