Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Now that Rohan Dennis pulled out, Froome is favorite for the ITT as well..

 

[bigcog]

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Seriously , Froome is not in the same league as a top form Bertie or even Andy schlock when it comes to climbing. He has never once launched a dominating attack from the bottom of a climb or a long way down and dropped everyone. It's all about power meters being dragged along by strong team mates etc. The mountain stages have virtually been turned into TT. 2014 we saw Bertie destroy Froome. That is the only time Froome has come up against a rival of that calibre. The standard has been definitively lower regarding top class competitions. I doubt Froome would have won as many tours had he raced against a top form Bertie or a top form Evans or Shleck etc . He's had a easy ride in comparison. You only have to look at Wiggos ( Evans was past his best at that point) victory to see how much the level has dropped regards top climbers. Froome has never once dominated a climb like Armstrong ,Bertie etc . The rest of why he wins ( see the clinic)

You do realise winning how Froome does is damn site more believable than Armstrong, Contador and Schleck for that very reason ? :lol:

 

[telencefalus]

everybody says froome will win tt i think that if fatigue start feeling he will gain no more than 30 seconds if Nibali is feeling good he could also lose time who knows , last year he did a monster tt ,so i don't know what to expect

 

[Brullnux]

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Seriously , Froome is not in the same league as a top form Bertie or even Andy schlock when it comes to climbing. He has never once launched a dominating attack from the bottom of a climb or a long way down and dropped everyone. It's all about power meters being dragged along by strong team mates etc. The mountain stages have virtually been turned into TT. 2014 we saw Bertie destroy Froome. That is the only time Froome has come up against a rival of that calibre. The standard has been definitively lower regarding top class competitions. I doubt Froome would have won as many tours had he raced against a top form Bertie or a top form Evans or Shleck etc . He's had a easy ride in comparison. You only have to look at Wiggos ( Evans was past his best at that point) victory to see how much the level has dropped regards top climbers. Froome has never once dominated a climb like Armstrong ,Bertie etc . The rest of why he wins ( see the clinic)

Ridiculous. Did you not watch the 2013 Tour? Pierre Saint Martin? And Froome was not "destroyed" by 2014 Contador. He was matched and at some times beaten, but Froome destroyed himself that year. He crashed 4 times in the space of six race days.

 

[telencefalus]

well contador was able to beat Froome in the same codition at vuelta 2014 , while also Nairo Qquintana was able to win in the same condition ,NQ would have beat nuclear froome with POELS , porte and Thomas as his domestique if ot for Movistar eanting Valverde on the podium and winnig team gc , THAT WAS BAD

 

[Blanco]

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and i would like to recieve the apologize from the one define me a troll or new to cycling , thanks , i hope you understand that is just stats and as i said rigged stats but they are made by UCI and are the only one official rankings for all time cyclist and Froome is higher than Contador unfortunatly

I'm the one who said that you're a troll or new to cycling, and you of course will not receive my apology, because there's no reason for that. I stand behind my words, and I'll explain why.

Cycling hall of fame ranking is one of many random cycling rankings, like CQ rankings, Procyclingstats, CyclingRanking, etc. It is NOT OFFICIAL UCI RANKINGS, there are no such ranking. In fact it has no connection to UCI at all, I don't know where you get that from. You maybe think this is official Cycling Hall of Fame, like in Basketball, Hockey, Baseball, etc, but it is not. There are no official Cycling Hall of Fame. That site is only named like that. You're maybe fooled because of this, and that's why I think you're relatively new to cycling, no offence. I know that site and that ranking for a long time, but I don't give too much attention to it, because that ranking has too much flaws. It heavily favors Tour de France winners, or simply favors Tour de France. Do some research, visit other sites if you're interested in cycling stats, and then make some conclusions.

 

[telencefalus]

you are completly worng it's the official by uci INFORM YOURSELF , you are pretty arrogant

 

[telencefalus]

go to Wikipedia it say dipendent service of UCI which stands for ....just tell me

 

[telencefalus]

and if you read the other post i also said that the ranking is rigged because giro d'italia value is 810 while tour 1800 , but you don't read my post it seems

 

[telencefalus]

so i don't want to be named a troll please or new t cycling please many thanks

 

[telencefalus]

from your answer it seems you consder me a stupid person for being able to see the connection between uci and the cycling Hall of fame , but the outcome is pretty the contrary

 

[telencefalus]

anywaythe rank is the official of a dipendent service of UCI ,and for that Froome is ranked higher than Contador , i think that is rigged but that is the rank i try to contact uci to modify this flaws

 

[dacooley]

hey when i say that Froome is a better gc rider than Contador and the 4 th best all time i based that on stats , if you look at he all time cycling HALL OF FAME you can see that Froome has 8740 points from GC while Contador only 7380

That ranking is almost ridiculous as your posts. You're either a troll or new to cycling and don't know very much about it.

how those who have very much knowledge about cycling should think? considering froome inferior or superior to contador is perfectly normal. their palmares being on the line, where any point is valid.

And how would you rate 4 time GT winner to 7(9) GT winner? For me it's clear who superior is. And would you also support this poster claims that Froome is better GT rider than Indurain and Fausto Coppi ?

comparing him to coppi is obviously a bit too much. however, we are arguing about whose legacy (palmares) is heavier rather than who won more grand tours. discussing the latter doesnt make sense since it's contador. but when it comes to scale of legacy the question is wide open and opinions differ because the tour titles are valued more than giri and vueltas by overwhelming majority of fans.

 

[telencefalus]

while tour de france are for sure more valuable than giro and vuelta , the difference is not that much

 

[Lv426]

You must read what I said and not put your own spin on it . Contador in 2014 was the stronger rider and don't forget before the vuelta Bertie crashed and injured his knee ,Froome had a sore wrist :lol: .
This was still not Bertie at his best . It was good enough but definitely not as strong as he had been previously. If your talking about Bertie say at discovery etc he would decimate today's field .
That's my view . I'm happy for you Froome fan boys he's a very good rider. But not that good.SImple he gets beat on climbs plenty of times never dominates like Armstrong did and Armstrong,Bertie, etc had top class rivals. Froome has none and still gets beat on climbs . He has to rely on his TT . Don't forget Quintana only lost to Froome in the tour a while back because of a wind split . He completely out climbed him . No wind split and Quintana would have been a tour winner. The competition is so poor ,it's getting weaker , Froome now gets into the 3rd week not so tired where is first few tours he got dropped in the last week. Competition is just poor nowhere near as good Landis , Hamilton ,Ulrich . Chicken, Evans, Pantani ,Schleck ,etc riders that on top form would seriously damage any train and leave Froome looking at their rear wheels going into the distance....

 

[telencefalus]

don't esagerate Nairo Quintana is not a weak rider of course in 2015 he lose not for the wind split but for the negativity of movistar that wanted to win team classification and wanted Valverde on the podium ,

IF NAIRO WAS HAVING A TEAM 100 % with him HE WOULD HAVE DOMINATE THE 2015 TOUR DE FRANCE plain simple , of course if if if , but that hurt , 2015 was a good year to block sky dominance

 

[Alexandre B.]

You must read what I said and not put your own spin on it . Contador in 2014 was the stronger rider and don't forget before the vuelta Bertie crashed and injured his knee ,Froome had a sore wrist :lol: .
This was still not Bertie at his best . It was good enough but definitely not as strong as he had been previously. If your talking about Bertie say at discovery etc he would decimate today's field .
That's my view . I'm happy for you Froome fan boys he's a very good rider. But not that good.SImple he gets beat on climbs plenty of times never dominates like Armstrong did and Armstrong,Bertie, etc had top class rivals. Froome has none and still gets beat on climbs . He has to rely on his TT . Don't forget Quintana only lost to Froome in the tour a while back because of a wind split . He completely out climbed him . No wind split and Quintana would have been a tour winner. The competition is so poor ,it's getting weaker , Froome now gets into the 3rd week not so tired where is first few tours he got dropped in the last week. Competition is just poor nowhere near as good Landis , Hamilton ,Ulrich . Chicken, Evans, Pantani ,Schleck ,etc riders that on top form would seriously damage any train and leave Froome looking at their rear wheels going into the distance....

It's not a matter of being a fanboy, it's a matter of reality. Froome did dominate the 2013 Tour like Armstrong used to dominate is his glory days, or Contador in 2009.

Quintana did outclimb a sick Froome, while being unable to drop or match an healthy Froome for 18 stages.

 

[Lv426]

You must read what I said and not put your own spin on it . Contador in 2014 was the stronger rider and don't forget before the vuelta Bertie crashed and injured his knee ,Froome had a sore wrist :lol: .
This was still not Bertie at his best . It was good enough but definitely not as strong as he had been previously. If your talking about Bertie say at discovery etc he would decimate today's field .
That's my view . I'm happy for you Froome fan boys he's a very good rider. But not that good.SImple he gets beat on climbs plenty of times never dominates like Armstrong did and Armstrong,Bertie, etc had top class rivals. Froome has none and still gets beat on climbs . He has to rely on his TT . Don't forget Quintana only lost to Froome in the tour a while back because of a wind split . He completely out climbed him . No wind split and Quintana would have been a tour winner. The competition is so poor ,it's getting weaker , Froome now gets into the 3rd week not so tired where is first few tours he got dropped in the last week. Competition is just poor nowhere near as good Landis , Hamilton ,Ulrich . Chicken, Evans, Pantani ,Schleck ,etc riders that on top form would seriously damage any train and leave Froome looking at their rear wheels going into the distance....

It's not a matter of being a fanboy, it's a matter of reality. Froome did dominate the 2013 Tour like Armstrong used to dominate is his glory days, or Contador in 2009.

Quintana did outclimb a sick Froome, while being unable to drop or match an healthy Froome for 18 stages.

No , it's always excuses when Froome gets beat. I make no excuses for Bertie. He is past his best and yet still can put the hurt into anyone. Rembember his attack that Froome couldn't live with and Quintana got a free ride to a grand tour win? Froome can not attack like that . He relies on his team . No team I doubt he would have any GT wins under his belt. Only recently Landa made him look like the 2nd best rider at SKY. Let's hope we get riders like Aru step up and perform like he did when he won the Vuelta and we start to see some real racing instead of bots riding bikes.

 

[Ataraxus]

You must read what I said and not put your own spin on it . Contador in 2014 was the stronger rider and don't forget before the vuelta Bertie crashed and injured his knee ,Froome had a sore wrist :lol: .
This was still not Bertie at his best . It was good enough but definitely not as strong as he had been previously. If your talking about Bertie say at discovery etc he would decimate today's field .
That's my view . I'm happy for you Froome fan boys he's a very good rider. But not that good.SImple he gets beat on climbs plenty of times never dominates like Armstrong did and Armstrong,Bertie, etc had top class rivals. Froome has none and still gets beat on climbs . He has to rely on his TT . Don't forget Quintana only lost to Froome in the tour a while back because of a wind split . He completely out climbed him . No wind split and Quintana would have been a tour winner. The competition is so poor ,it's getting weaker , Froome now gets into the 3rd week not so tired where is first few tours he got dropped in the last week. Competition is just poor nowhere near as good Landis , Hamilton ,Ulrich . Chicken, Evans, Pantani ,Schleck ,etc riders that on top form would seriously damage any train and leave Froome looking at their rear wheels going into the distance....

It's not a matter of being a fanboy, it's a matter of reality. Froome did dominate the 2013 Tour like Armstrong used to dominate is his glory days, or Contador in 2009.

Quintana did outclimb a sick Froome, while being unable to drop or match an healthy Froome for 18 stages.

No , it's always excuses when Froome gets beat. I make no excuses for Bertie. He is past his best and yet still can put the hurt into anyone. Rembember his attack that Froome couldn't live with and Quintana got a free ride to a grand tour win? Froome can not attack like that . He relies on his team . No team I doubt he would have any GT wins under his belt. Only recently Landa made him look like the 2nd best rider at SKY. Let's hope we get riders like Aru step up and perform like he did when he won the Vuelta and we start to see some real racing instead of bots riding bikes.

No, it's always excuses when AC gets beaten. Froome applauded Quintana in the penultimate stage of 2016 Vuelta and accepted defeat.
When AC gets dropped there's always excuses by AC the man himself.
And please don't give the Landa examples on Froome. If there's one rider Landa has humiliated on the climbs, it is AC himself in 2015 Giro.

 

[lenric]

I always find it funny when people feed trolls, especially the obvious ones.

 

[Tank Engine]

No , it's always excuses when Froome gets beat. I make no excuses for Bertie. He is past his best and yet still can put the hurt into anyone. Rembember his attack that Froome couldn't live with and Quintana got a free ride to a grand tour win? Froome can not attack like that . He relies on his team . No team I doubt he would have any GT wins under his belt. Only recently Landa made him look like the 2nd best rider at SKY. Let's hope we get riders like Aru step up and perform like he did when he won the Vuelta and we start to see some real racing instead of bots riding bikes.

OK, Aru won the Vuelta. However, he did not dominate and the opposition was not that great. Major Tom has gone on to do greater things since then, but he was surprised to be a GC contender and was defeated in the end by an Astana team effort against a weak Giant team. Froome broke his ankle. Quintana wasn't in great form. Majka and a past his best Rodriguez were the other two guys on the podium. Wallace Aru might win one or two more GTs, but I can't see him dominating.

Neither did the 2013 Tour have a great field, but Froome dominated the GC, team or no team.
Don't worry though, I think Froome has passed his "best before" date and a new generation will take over, although he also might have one or two GT victories to come.

p.s. yes, I probably gave a troll too many carbs

 

[Pricey_sky]

Just a polite reminder ladies and gents that its post not poster. Its fine to disagree with someone but please do not attack them.

 

[Parker]

He has to rely on his TT .

He relies on his team.

Please make up your mind

 

[Poursuivant]

"In a way, I think that tomorrow's time trial, whoever leaves absolutely everything out there in the time trial will pay for it the day after on Los Machucos. It's a really tough final week, and I think that every day has to be ridden thinking about what is coming up," he said.


He might be chatting a bit of sh*t here to play mind games, but if not, he is making a big mistake not going all out for the TT.

FWIW, I think he will go all in tomorrow for the TT, similar to last years Vuelta TT.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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"In a way, I think that tomorrow's time trial, whoever leaves absolutely everything out there in the time trial will pay for it the day after on Los Machucos. It's a really tough final week, and I think that every day has to be ridden thinking about what is coming up," he said.


He might be chatting a bit of sh*t here to play mind games, but if not, he is making a big mistake not going all out for the TT.

FWIW, I think he will go all in tomorrow for the TT, similar to last years Vuelta TT.

I agree, he has to all out tomorrow to gain as much time as he can. The more time gained, the easier the last week could be for him. Others will have to go all out as well.