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Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

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Is Froome over the hill?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 32 32.3%
  • No, the GC finished 40 minutes ago but Froomie is still climbing it

    Votes: 57 57.6%
  • No he is totally winning the Vuelta

    Votes: 22 22.2%

  • Total voters
    99
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spalco said:
I'm not too concerned yet. Thomas has some time on Froome, and Dumoulin is looking strong, but Froome has a lot more experience getting on GT podiums than either of them and they can drop 2,3 (or 10) minutes on almost any of the remaining race days if something goes wrong.

He does need time before the TT, but he's still on the right track for now imo.

The problem is, there are no MTF stages left, except tomorrow's very short, punchy climb, and the 65 km stage that will probably be raced almost like a TT. The two toughest mountain stages left both feature long downhill finishes, so any rider wanting to put time on the others would have to escape on the final climb (if not sooner), then hold the lead on the DH. Absent that, then, yes, Froome's chances come down to hoping Thomas and Dumo bonk.

Seems to me that the biggest advantage Froome has going for him is he shouldn't be afraid to risk everything to get into yellow. At this point in his career, another GT podium doesn't do much for him, so the risk-reward dynamic is very different. If some bold move gives you, say, a 20% chance of winning four GTs in a row and a fifth TDF, are you going to pass it up because if it doesn't work, you might not finish on the podium? I don't think so. The podium will mean much more to Dumo--a Giro-Tour podium double is still very impressive--and of course Thomas at this point would be very disappointed if he didn't podium. I don't think either of them would try anything that they felt would in the slightest threaten their podium position, though of course at this point, Thomas doesn't have to. But if, e.g., Froome tried another long-range solo as in the Giro, would either of those two try to follow him if they had doubts whether they could stay with him? I doubt it. They'd let him go and concentrate on solidifying their podium position.
 
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to go on a big long-distance attack, Froome must get catapulted for it after Sky does a massive drilling work, shredding the peloton into pieces. not sure they need it, having G in such an advantageous position. judging by the gap between Froome and a race leader at this point it's much more optimistic situation compared to what he was in after 13 stages in the Giro, but Thomas wearing the yellow jersey notably changes the dynamic.
 
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Merckx index said:
spalco said:
I'm not too concerned yet. Thomas has some time on Froome, and Dumoulin is looking strong, but Froome has a lot more experience getting on GT podiums than either of them and they can drop 2,3 (or 10) minutes on almost any of the remaining race days if something goes wrong.

He does need time before the TT, but he's still on the right track for now imo.

The problem is, there are no MTF stages left, except tomorrow's very short, punchy climb, and the 65 km stage that will probably be raced almost like a TT. The two toughest mountain stages left both feature long downhill finishes, so any rider wanting to put time on the others would have to escape on the final climb (if not sooner), then hold the lead on the DH. Absent that, then, yes, Froome's chances come down to hoping Thomas and Dumo bonk.

Seems to me that the biggest advantage Froome has going for him is he shouldn't be afraid to risk everything to get into yellow. At this point in his career, another GT podium doesn't do much for him, so the risk-reward dynamic is very different. If some bold move gives you, say, a 20% chance of winning four GTs in a row and a fifth TDF, are you going to pass it up because if it doesn't work, you might not finish on the podium? I don't think so. The podium will mean much more to Dumo--a Giro-Tour podium double is still very impressive--and of course Thomas at this point would be very disappointed if he didn't podium. I don't think either of them would try anything that they felt would in the slightest threaten their podium position, though of course at this point, Thomas doesn't have to. But if, e.g., Froome tried another long-range solo as in the Giro, would either of those two try to follow him if they had doubts whether they could stay with him? I doubt it. They'd let him go and concentrate on solidifying their podium position.

If things remain unchanged, and if his form magically gets better, look to see CF putting in monster attacks and G to sit on TD's wheel. Not sure if any other of the top 10 would be willing to chase CF down, but with so many contenders down, who knows what kind of alliances might form. It'll get really interesting if G sees his own lead slipping away ...

All this is fun of course, but this could turn out like Yates for G, and who knows what the alien will do.

It's funny to look at some of the bot comments at the bottom of the stories. Stuff like CF is the one with the natural progression, and TD is out of nowhere, the competition is crap, Sky has the best strategy but it's not because of the money, etc. It's actually good comedy :)
 
If things remain unchanged, and if his form magically gets better, look to see CF putting in monster attacks and G to sit on TD's wheel. Not sure if any other of the top 10 would be willing to chase CF down, but with so many contenders down, who knows what kind of alliances might form. It'll get really interesting if G sees his own lead slipping away ...

We already saw exactly what will happen on the last stage in the Algarve already this year.
 
The problem for Froome is that with every day the riders get closer to Paris the part of Thomas that is lying when saying "Froome is the leader" gets bigger. If Froome is still as far down as he is now before the final two mountain stages and attacks I doubt Thomas will just let him go. At some point he will say f*ck loyalty, I'm not throwing this away.
The big question is though, at what point is sky gonna tell Froome to say bye to the double. As it stands dumo would probably catch Froome in the ITT so if Thomas spends himself for Froome and Froome doesn't drop dumo they don't only not get the double, they don't get the tour win at all.
 
Gigs_98 said:
The problem for Froome is that with every day the riders get closer to Paris the part of Thomas that is lying when saying "Froome is the leader" gets bigger. If Froome is still as far down as he is now before the final two mountain stages and attacks I doubt Thomas will just let him go. At some point he will say f*ck loyalty, I'm not throwing this away.
The big question is though, at what point is sky gonna tell Froome to say bye to the double. As it stands dumo would probably catch Froome in the ITT so if Thomas spends himself for Froome and Froome doesn't drop dumo they don't only not get the double, they don't get the tour win at all.
Ofcourse.

Right now, the threat of Dumoulin is probably Thomas' greatest ally. Sky can't dismiss Thomas as long as Dumoulin is in ITT striking range.
 
Gigs_98 said:
The problem for Froome is that with every day the riders get closer to Paris the part of Thomas that is lying when saying "Froome is the leader" gets bigger. If Froome is still as far down as he is now before the final two mountain stages and attacks I doubt Thomas will just let him go. At some point he will say f*ck loyalty, I'm not throwing this away.
The big question is though, at what point is sky gonna tell Froome to say bye to the double. As it stands dumo would probably catch Froome in the ITT so if Thomas spends himself for Froome and Froome doesn't drop dumo they don't only not get the double, they don't get the tour win at all.

"For us, it's a pretty good situation: we have two cards to play. I always say that, but it's true," Portal told Cyclingnews. "Maybe at the beginning it was more about Froome, but now, to be honest, Thomas has shown that he's super-strong, and who knows how long he can hold it? He doesn't even know.

"It's the same for Froome, coming from the Giro. Who knows how long he can perform? He could pay the price. At the moment, it looks pretty good because we are in first and second, but let's see what the road brings. We need to support them both," said Portal.


Sounds like things have changed.
 
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King Of The Wolds said:
Tactics shouldn't really be an issue for Sky. Deploy super strong train, Froome to attack where he can, Thomas to stay glued to Dumoulin's wheel.
Yup. It’s pretty much this simple right now. Until/unless Dumoulin drops Thomas, Thomas doesn’t need to do anything.

Froome is free to attack and make the race as hard as he can for Dumoulin.

If Dumoulin lets Froome go, Thomas won’t chase Froome. He can sit on Dumoulin’s wheel, safely keeping his 99-second cushion, which will be more than enough in the TT. If he senses the bug guy weakening, then he can attack, but he’ll only follow alone.
 
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Red Rick said:
Salvarani said:
Red Rick said:
I don't think there's been any chance between Thomas, Dumoulin and Froome relative from each other, apart from Thomas being clearly the strongest on La Rosiere

If Froome dont crash on stage 1 and Dumo dont have mechanical on Mur de Bretagne and they basically all within 30 seconds.
How far is Roglic away without TTT?

They lost 1:10 to Sky, so 1:10 to Geraint and Froome, and 1:05 to Dumoulin. So he'd be on the same time as Froome more or less.