Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Dazed and Confused]

This:

@Andy99
In essence, it is easier to control the quality of training in a structured environment, than the old-school way of racing to train...

well, nobody does it except Sky. With lots of piano and group riding in races these days (although the season has started on a high note imo), I can somewhat see where Sky is coming from. Lets see if it works out in the spring classics.

(if I understood your question)

 

[serfla]

well, nobody does it except Sky. With lots of piano and group riding in races these days (although the season has started on a high note imo), I can somewhat see where Sky is coming from. Lets see if it works out in the spring classics.

(if I understood your question)

I have impression that Sky's methodology is slightly different than using races for training in traditional sense.
From what we can see, they're combining blocks of trainings and races just like everybody else. But looks like the difference is in intensity of racing. They're leaving impression that they're doing the races all-out. Treating them like time checks in a tt. After every time check (race) they have feedback about their current maximum level and what should be done till the next time check.
Also, this kind of approach, besides informations about their absolute level of fitness, gives them opportunity to compare themselves in relative terms - against rivals.
In short, they use races like tests of their limits, instead like part of programed long - term training. That's the difference between their and traditional approach.
Getting used to winning is useful side effect.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I have impression that Sky's methodology is slightly different than using races for training in traditional sense.
From what we can see, they're combining blocks of trainings and races just like everybody else. But looks like the difference is in intensity of racing.

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Makes sense.

(man I hate SRM's)

 

[BlenJones2]

William Fotheringham in the Guardian today has said Froome is down to ride Liege-Bastogne-Liege with Wiggins...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

good. they can help uran and henao there

 

[jens_attacks]

and JTL

he targets the ardennes triple

 

[wwabbit]

This thread doesn't deserve to be buried!
Hard to imagine 6 years ago his first foray into competitive cycling in Europe involves crashing into a race steward in less than 100m....
Next up for him is the Criterium International. What kind of course is that?

 

[RHRH19861986]

This thread doesn't deserve to be buried!
Hard to imagine 6 years ago his first foray into competitive cycling in Europe involves crashing into a race steward in less than 100m....
Next up for him is the Criterium International. What kind of course is that?

Considered the shortest Tour de France in the world, with one sprint stage, one MTF/mountain stage and one ITT, all within two days.

 

[spalco]

This thread doesn't deserve to be buried!
Hard to imagine 6 years ago his first foray into competitive cycling in Europe involves crashing into a race steward in less than 100m....
Next up for him is the Criterium International. What kind of course is that?

does anybody have a video of that? i've heard this mentioned several times but haven't been able to find it myself. would be amusing if somebody could dig that up.

 

[wwabbit]

does anybody have a video of that? i've heard this mentioned several times but haven't been able to find it myself. would be amusing if somebody could dig that up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DCe4QVO0PE

 

[spalco]

haha, thank you very much.

 

[RHRH19861986]

I think it´s great that Froome is so strong in the moment, remember he had to fight a really serious bilharzia infection. That´s a fighter!

I admit, though, their dominance makes it a bit boring, but that might chance, the others aren´t sleeping.

 

[Parrot23]

Makes sense.

(man I hate SRM's)

Sky clearly go out before, as Kerrison says, ride the courses and get the power profile needed then train to that. Froome, based on the above, was very patient (toughminded in the head) today in Tirreno.

Bertie on the other hand continues to race as if he thinks he's still on the full "program", burning matches, too many attacks. Sky right now have him dialed. (Porte did the same thing at Paris Nice yesterday: Talanksy yawing all over the place burning matches, and Porte has one controlled attack.)

They're not just winning with brawn but also with brains (which includes doing the power profile of the route beforehand and training to it), and Contador is not right now. It's one thing to ride at FTP and above etc., knowing what it is, and quite another to know the course beforehand in terms of watts required at key sections.

Horner and Nibali aren't idiots:

Horner: "It was just incredibly smart and good racing by Sky. Froome was very patient when Contador was attacking, he stayed with his teammates. They were very strong."

“Froome was very patient when Contador was attacking; he stayed with his teammates. They were very strong. With 1K to go, Contador, Nibali and [Mauro] Santambrogio were gone, but Froome still stayed patient until finally they were insight. He just did one acceleration, dropped me and went past the others[/I],” Horner explained.

“They had one moment where they slowed down a bit, where we dropped a lot of power, but then Contador attacked and they picked it back up. It was intelligent racing from Sky. They have a lot of good guys and Froome was patient. Almost a carbon copy of the Tour.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...t-on-stage-6-of-2013-tirreno-adriatico_277381

Nibali: "Froome won it well. His team worked well for him. He went at the right moment and then in the finale it was all about what you had left.”

 

[movingtarget]

Froome did not need to react earlier as his squad dragged back every attack. Smart riding and they know how to overcome Contador's attacks. Just let him go and let him tire himself out.

 

[DA_Man]

Bertie's résumé speaks for itself, especially when compared to both, SKY and Froome.

Saying that Contador was "needlessly" burning matches and that he was "needlessly" attacking people is looking at it the wrong way. When Alberto attacks he does it to win and to test people, sometimes he succeeds and other times he does not. What many people fail to understand is the later.

And like I said, his résumé speaks for itself, yet some people to this day still consider his racing style "amateurish", when in reality they ought to be taking notes.

 

[wwabbit]

Bertie's résumé speaks for itself, especially when compared to both, SKY and Froome.

Saying that Contador was "needlessly" burning matches and that he was "needlessly" attacking people is looking at it the wrong way. When Alberto attacks he does it to win and to test people, sometimes he succeeds and other times he does not. What many people fail to understand is the later.

And like I said, his résumé speaks for itself, yet some people to this day still consider his racing style "amateurish", when in reality they ought to be taking notes.

Welcome to the forums. If you'd spent a few months lurking before posting, you would know that whenever {insert_favourite_rider} makes a failed attack, he was only testing his rivals whereas whenever {insert_favourite_rider's_rival} makes a failed attack, he was being an amateur. The names Contador, Froome, Nibali, Evans, and many others have been inserted in any of the two above slots by many various fans and haters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Froome will ride Crit Int?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Froome will ride Crit Int?

Yep.

...........

 

[El Pistolero]

I think it´s great that Froome is so strong in the moment, remember he had to fight a really serious bilharzia infection. That´s a fighter!

I admit, though, their dominance makes it a bit boring, but that might chance, the others aren´t sleeping.

He was a nobody before that disease, so I doubt it was all that serious with the right medical treatment.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yep.

...........

Lol I am counting the races Alberto can win, so far I count one Pais Vasco which he will inevitably lose to someone like Igor Anton or Mollema

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He was a nobody before that disease, so I doubt it was all that serious with the right medical treatment.

The parasites have helped Froome, no doubt.
And the stuff is recurring.
But to me, Froome is an exciting rider particularly if he is left fighting other great cyclist on his own (i.e, if the train is dismantled relatively early on climbs/steep hills).

 

[DA_Man]

Welcome to the forums. If you'd spent a few months lurking before posting, you would know that whenever {insert_favourite_rider} makes a failed attack, he was only testing his rivals whereas whenever {insert_favourite_rider's_rival} makes a failed attack, he was being an amateur. The names Contador, Froome, Nibali, Evans, and many others have been inserted in any of the two above slots by many various fans and haters.

Sarcasm aside, one needs not spend "a month" reading somebody else's opinion about tactics when you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth. "Tengo que probar mis piernas" is a recurring response from Alberto when asked why he attacks so much. And it's usually preceded by "I want to win evey time".

 

[airstream]

Well, old forgotten cycling cue - everything is under control. Christopher Froome to win Tirreno and Tour.

 

[trevim]

Lol I am counting the races Alberto can win, so far I count one Pais Vasco which he will inevitably lose to someone like Igor Anton or Mollema

Sky will send someone too, don't count them out. And as long as it rains Anton is out. He's probably out of shape anyway, it's a statistical thing

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sky will send someone too, don't count them out. And as long as it rains Anton is out. He's probably out of shape anyway, it's a statistical thing

Froome's racing Pais Vasco