Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[del1962]

I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

it is your opinion, I didnt see that this year in Tirreno, Quintana won,or la Volta, or le Tour, he just showed in il Giro that in days like today he is as good as Aru and he did a good ITT without the best riders of the world for ITT.

Today if Quintana and Contador prepare the bet for a GT, Quintana is better. The same Froome, of course,with the rest depends of some factors, but we could say yes.

 

[Jspear]

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I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

it is your opinion, I didnt see that this year in Tirreno, Quintana won,or la Volta, or le Tour, he just showed in il Giro that in days like today he is as good as Aru and he did a good ITT without the best riders of the world for ITT.

Today if Quintana and Contador prepare the bet for a GT, Quintana is better. The same Froome, of course,with the rest depends of some factors, but we could say yes.

You seem to be stating this as fact. Can you really back this claim up?

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

it is your opinion, I didnt see that this year in Tirreno, Quintana won,or la Volta, or le Tour, he just showed in il Giro that in days like today he is as good as Aru and he did a good ITT without the best riders of the world for ITT.

Today if Quintana and Contador prepare the bet for a GT, Quintana is better. The same Froome, of course,with the rest depends of some factors, but we could say yes.

You seem to be stating this as fact. Can you really back this claim up?

It is my opinion, but is what the year has showed. The last 2 Tour the france where quintana and contador has been at the ame time, Quintana was better.

And in the Giro Landa was better than him, and Quintana is better than Landa.

For Quintana thi is the first time he doubled Tour-Vuelta, so he should pay that, but I didnt talk about that.

 

[ray j willings]

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I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

it is your opinion, I didnt see that this year in Tirreno, Quintana won,or la Volta, or le Tour, he just showed in il Giro that in days like today he is as good as Aru and he did a good ITT without the best riders of the world for ITT.

Today if Quintana and Contador prepare the bet for a GT, Quintana is better. The same Froome, of course,with the rest depends of some factors, but we could say yes.

What's that " Contador dig number 1000 "
Contador is going to give you nightmares next year. it will be 2014 Vuelta/Dauphine all over again.

 

[ray j willings]

I think Froome is Ok. It was very very hot today. He's not lost to much time. I think the main threat will come from the likes of Aru etc.
But Froome knows how to TT up a mountain and last year it got him on the podium.
It's still way to early to say Froome is out of this race but it won't be easy. I also think Quintana will be a lot more aggressive if it becomes a showdown between the 2 of them. He won't repeat the same mistakes of the tour but in no way is Froome out of this race.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think Froome is Ok. It was very very hot today. He's not lost to much time. I think the main threat will come from the likes of Aru etc.
But Froome knows how to TT up a mountain and last year it got him on the podium.
It's still way to early to say Froome is out of this race but it won't be easy. I also think Quintana will be a lot more aggressive if it becomes a showdown between the 2 of them. He won't repeat the same mistakes of the tour but in no way is Froome out of this race.

TYes, but in la Pierre it was very hot as well, very similar, and in Spain some people as perico Delgado said contador was affeted that day for the hot.

That is not an excuse for me, although with hot, anybody could be affected.

It is true that this year contenders: Valverde, Quintana, Pozzo, Chaves, Aru,... likes hot, maybe Purito dont like too much, and Landa, but anyway it was a bad day, but not for the hot. He is still well placed.

 

[Scarponi]

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I think Froome is Ok. It was very very hot today. He's not lost to much time. I think the main threat will come from the likes of Aru etc.
But Froome knows how to TT up a mountain and last year it got him on the podium.
It's still way to early to say Froome is out of this race but it won't be easy. I also think Quintana will be a lot more aggressive if it becomes a showdown between the 2 of them. He won't repeat the same mistakes of the tour but in no way is Froome out of this race.

TYes, but in la Pierre it was very hot as well, very similar, and in Spain some people as perico Delgado said contador was affeted that day for the hot.

That is not an excuse for me, although with hot, anybody could be affected.

It is true that this year contenders: Valverde, Quintana, Pozzo, Chaves, Aru,... likes hot, maybe Purito dont like too much, and Landa, but anyway it was a bad day, but not for the hot. He is still well placed.

I think a lot of people think cyclists are robots, living here in here in Australia for example I could go fine for a week in the 40 degree heat but later on a day of 34 affects me deeply.

 

[Jspear]

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I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

it is your opinion, I didnt see that this year in Tirreno, Quintana won,or la Volta, or le Tour, he just showed in il Giro that in days like today he is as good as Aru and he did a good ITT without the best riders of the world for ITT.

Today if Quintana and Contador prepare the bet for a GT, Quintana is better. The same Froome, of course,with the rest depends of some factors, but we could say yes.

You seem to be stating this as fact. Can you really back this claim up?

It is my opinion, but is what the year has showed. The last 2 Tour the france where quintana and contador has been at the ame time, Quintana was better.

And in the Giro Landa was better than him, and Quintana is better than Landa.

For Quintana thi is the first time he doubled Tour-Vuelta, so he should pay that, but I didnt talk about that.

You do realize how incredibly weak your points are right? In 2013 Rodriguez was also ahead of Contador. Do you think that Rodriguez is better than Contador too? In 2015 he had just raced the Giro before doing the Tour. Do you really think you can compare form like that. Do you think Aru is stronger than Froome since he is climbing better than Froome right now? Anyways...back to Froome.

 

[Red Rick]

Last year Froome got first dropped on a rainy day and didn't lose half a minute to 10 other guys. The heat favours him, and this year, instead of crashing out after 5 stages and going in the Vuelta with his shape getting better everyday, he's going having done 3 weeks of battle in the Tour and having ridden a number of crits that don't help his prepepartion.

Last year he started yoyoing from Aralar onwards, a stage in which he got 5th in the same time as Purito, Valverde and Contador

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I think Froome is Ok. It was very very hot today. He's not lost to much time. I think the main threat will come from the likes of Aru etc.
But Froome knows how to TT up a mountain and last year it got him on the podium.
It's still way to early to say Froome is out of this race but it won't be easy. I also think Quintana will be a lot more aggressive if it becomes a showdown between the 2 of them. He won't repeat the same mistakes of the tour but in no way is Froome out of this race.

Out of all the GC contenders, Froome is the one who adapts well to extreme heat the best though, and that's been seen multiple times. If he's losing 30 seconds on an extremely hot day on a one mountain, summit-finish stage which is not very steep but quite long (ie Perfect stage for Froome), I can't see him doing very well for the rest of the Vuelta. Even a podium is a tall order

 

[dacooley]

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Last year Froome got first dropped on a rainy day and didn't lose half a minute to 10 other guys. The heat favours him, and this year, instead of crashing out after 5 stages and going in the Vuelta with his shape getting better everyday, he's going having done 3 weeks of battle in the Tour and having ridden a number of crits that don't help his prepepartion.

Last year he started yoyoing from Aralar onwards, a stage in which he got 5th in the same time as Purito, Valverde and Contador

there's too much of generalization imo. each of froome, quintana and contador has series of great and inglorious showings both in heat and rainy weather to regard this a big factor.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think in Andulicia the day Chris lost time he only did so to a better GC rider than any at the Vuelta, so it is not really comparable

it is your opinion, I didnt see that this year in Tirreno, Quintana won,or la Volta, or le Tour, he just showed in il Giro that in days like today he is as good as Aru and he did a good ITT without the best riders of the world for ITT.

Today if Quintana and Contador prepare the bet for a GT, Quintana is better. The same Froome, of course,with the rest depends of some factors, but we could say yes.

You seem to be stating this as fact. Can you really back this claim up?

It is my opinion, but is what the year has showed. The last 2 Tour the france where quintana and contador has been at the ame time, Quintana was better.

And in the Giro Landa was better than him, and Quintana is better than Landa.

For Quintana thi is the first time he doubled Tour-Vuelta, so he should pay that, but I didnt talk about that.

You do realize how incredibly weak your points are right? In 2013 Rodriguez was also ahead of Contador. Do you think that Rodriguez is better than Contador too? In 2015 he had just raced the Giro before doing the Tour. Do you really think you can compare form like that. Do you think Aru is stronger than Froome since he is climbing better than Froome right now? Anyways...back to Froome.

Rodriguez can be better than Contador in some races, yes. He was better than Contador not just in that Tour, but in the Vuelta 2012 as well,althoug contador won, but I didnt say that.

I have to do an average, and doping an average about what we saw the last 3 years, today, if Quintana and Contador prepare a big Tour, with a normal parcours, not very favourable to anyone, IMO Quintana should be better.

But anyway, we will see next year if any of them have problems.

 

[ray j willings]

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Taxus quote " I have to do an average, and doping an average about what we saw the last 3 years, today, if Quintana and Contador prepare a big Tour, with a normal parcours, not very favourable to anyone, IMO Quintana should be better.
But anyway, we will see next year if any of them have problems"


None of your arguments /debate's make any sense. You contradict yourself every other post.

Froome is better than Quintana, Quintana is better than Froome. Aru and Landa are better than Contador. Purito his better than Contador. Puirito is better than Quintana . Froome is better than Aru. Landa is better than Aru. Qunitana is better than spiderman . Its to hot. Its to cold, its raining, its sunny .The mountain is not quite angled right. its to steep. its to flat. The stage is to long , its to short

Funny thing . Contador has beaten all of them in a GT

 

[Jspear]

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Rodriguez can be better than Contador in some races, yes. He was better than Contador not just in that Tour, but in the Vuelta 2012 as well,althoug contador won, but I didnt say that.

I have to do an average, and doping an average about what we saw the last 3 years, today, if Quintana and Contador prepare a big Tour, with a normal parcours, not very favourable to anyone, IMO Quintana should be better.

But anyway, we will see next year if any of them have problems.

Just curious: do you think Quintana is better than Froome since he climbed better than him in this years TdF?

 

[DBotero]

Froome seems determined to fight on despite the lack of form I don't see him improving but i hope he'll find some strength to animate the race.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-i-just-felt-pretty-empty/

 

[Taxus4a]

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Rodriguez can be better than Contador in some races, yes. He was better than Contador not just in that Tour, but in the Vuelta 2012 as well,althoug contador won, but I didnt say that.

I have to do an average, and doping an average about what we saw the last 3 years, today, if Quintana and Contador prepare a big Tour, with a normal parcours, not very favourable to anyone, IMO Quintana should be better.

But anyway, we will see next year if any of them have problems.

Just curious: do you think Quintana is better than Froome since he climbed better than him in this years TdF?

Froome is still better, that question is easier, both of them prepare the Tour a main objetive and Froome won, by a little difference, but won.

 

[Jspear]

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Rodriguez can be better than Contador in some races, yes. He was better than Contador not just in that Tour, but in the Vuelta 2012 as well,althoug contador won, but I didnt say that.

I have to do an average, and doping an average about what we saw the last 3 years, today, if Quintana and Contador prepare a big Tour, with a normal parcours, not very favourable to anyone, IMO Quintana should be better.

But anyway, we will see next year if any of them have problems.

Just curious: do you think Quintana is better than Froome since he climbed better than him in this years TdF?

Froome is still better, that question is easier, both of them prepare the Tour a main objetive and Froome won, by a little difference, but won.

I'm confused. Earlier you said Landa was stronger than Contador in the 2015 Giro even though Contador won the Giro. My guess was, you were saying that because he climbed better on a lot of stages. How come you've know changed your logic when "analyzing" Froome's Tour performance?

 

[Afrank]

I've deleted a few posts, please keep doping talk in the clinic.

 

[Metabolol]

I think Froome will get stronger and fight for the win but I think you have several riders who can win this.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think Froome will get stronger and fight for the win but I think you have several riders who can win this.

he just had a bad day, it is not a question ofbecome estronger, he is not going to be like he was in the Giro, but nobody will be even close, that is normal. He is the better in ITT of everybody, so this is not like in the Tour.

 

[May0maniac]

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I think Froome will get stronger and fight for the win but I think you have several riders who can win this.

he just had a bad day, it is not a question ofbecome estronger, he is not going to be like he was in the Giro, but nobody will be even close, that is normal. He is the better in ITT of everybody, so this is not like in the Tour.

He should be the best in the ITT but he's only a real monster in those when he's in peak shape, so we don't know how much time he could gain that way.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think Froome will get stronger and fight for the win but I think you have several riders who can win this.

he just had a bad day, it is not a question ofbecome estronger, he is not going to be like he was in the Giro, but nobody will be even close, that is normal. He is the better in ITT of everybody, so this is not like in the Tour.

He should be the best in the ITT but he's only a real monster in those when he's in peak shape, so we don't know how much time he could gain that way.

If he i in the mountains with Chaves he is going to put 5 minutes to him in that ITT with medium wind.

I use to go for the bulevard with my bike and some days is impossible tio ride for the wind.

With Quintana less, and so on, but Froome is a complete rider, not a climber.

I dont know what examples you say about, but there are some ITT when you had to take risk, other ones with rain as in Romandia this year, that you cant take into account, he is always good in long ITT, and more at the end of a GT. Last year he did a mistake in la Vuelta by starting too strong.. he wanted to put big time on everybody, but he wanst so good for that, he just needed to be at a similar level that Contador, so he did a good time at the begining, but later crack and he recovered at the end, when he put again time on the rest.

Without that mistake, he would have won La Vuelta, becouse is not the same for a rider like him the need to attack that follows attacks...But he was in shape to do a good ITT, not to win, not even like urñan, but close to that, he did just a mistake, as he used tio do a lot in first years of profesional.

Purito losed 6 minutes to Peter Velits in the ITT of Peñafiel, i was there, in the start/finish, acredited...this one is similar expose to the wind in 30 of the 39 Km, the rest is hilly and quite techinical. It will be more a question of how power you remain, but for a rider as Froome is perfect, what is not perfect is Andorra, but I hope anyway to see him close to the best there.

if he lose tomorrooww 15-20 second is not a problem.

 

[Taxus4a]

There is not good examples in the last 4 years to talk about that, he is not a pure climber and he is not an especialist in ITT, but he always has done good long ITT at the end of Tours, he is epecialist in that and he howed to the world firt by doing 14 in the last ITt of le Tour in 2008, coming fron Africa, impresive, other riders coming from the best teams of the world could do just 40 in the same age ans situation, as Contador...

The best examples is before his implosion of la vuelta 2011, in td suisse:

http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=20566

He finsihed 9th in the long final ITT, but he was bad in the queen stage, and medium (20ththat stage that Andy couldnt get De gent) in the second hard stage, so he is good in ITT even when he is not good in the mountains.

To take as example the ITT of Romandia when it was raining and there was some descent, it not a good expamle, Froome is not very good on the rainand just take risk when is needed, as le Tour.

Anyway ¡I hope despite it will rain in la Vuelta he can manage with that.

 

[ray j willings]

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Scarponi quote

"I think a lot of people think cyclists are robots, living here in here in Australia for example I could go fine for a week in the 40 degree heat but later on a day of 34 affects me deeply"

I agree 100000%. There is a definite lack of understanding towards physical condition and sometimes mental as well.
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