Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Carols]

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Froome is not just a very nice guy, it is a legend of cycling, it is a best now focused to perform.

And it is not a false champion as a lot in the past except Evans, Sastre, and a few more if we talk of Tours...

You can say many things about Froome, but not that he is a cycling legend. He may yet become one, but time and odds are against him.

His main problem is that despite having almost perfect combination of abilities for GT GC-contender, he has won exactly 2 GT-s during four full seasons since his transformation/breakthrough. Not exactly prolific. Compare that to Contador, who won every single GT he entered from Tour 2007 to Giro 2011 (similar age and time-frame to compare with Froome 2011-15).

While Froome is one of the best GC-riders of his time, he doesn't look like a legend right now.

There are people all the day talking about people who is worse than Froome as if they are legends, so...

If you know me I dont talk about some people before 2011, for me that is a dark part of this sport, I can talk just about some people that era, an one is not Contador.

You has you opinion and I have mine, that is all. Truth is just one, maybe yours , maybe mine, of course I think is mine.. and facts give me reason.

How convenient that your conversational cutoff is 2011, as if suddenly a hush fell over the sport and it was proclaimed by Sir Brailsford: "Let there be light and let that light be Team Sky!! We shall rescue the sport from its years of darkness and lift it up with cleanliness, superior tactics, and our boys-next-door appeal!!" Excuse me while I find a bucket to lose my breakfast in.

I spit my drink out my nose!!! Ahh, 2011 when the Dawg emerged as a legend after years in obscurity!

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....

Bertie ...endless GT wins ....

Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.

When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.

(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic )

Contador is clearly punchier than Froome he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.

Either way, neither of them are capable of winning a classic unless it's a summit finish on a fairly hard mountain, and that's not happening any time soon

 

[del1962]

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Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....

Bertie ...endless GT wins ....

Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.

When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.

(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic )

Contador is clearly punchier than Froome he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.

Hmmmm

 

[Taxus4a]

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Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....

Bertie ...endless GT wins ....

Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.

When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.

(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic )

Contador is clearly punchier than Froome he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.

We are agree in that. Froome could beat Contador in a short and hard climb, as he has done several tomes, but not becoue he is better puncheur, Froome is more diesel.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....

Bertie ...endless GT wins ....

Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.

When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.

(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic )

Contador is clearly punchier than Froome he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.

Hmmmm

Yes, Froome could be similar to froome in Murr de Huy just if as we saw in la Pierre Froome is clearly beter than Purito.

You can always have a bad day, but Contador in Huy was just to try to follow someone stronger than him, Froome.

 

[LaFlorecita]

For the first time ever I agree with Taxus

 

[Angliru]

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Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....

Bertie ...endless GT wins ....

Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.

When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.

(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic )

Contador is clearly punchier than Froome he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.

Either way, neither of them are capable of winning a classic unless it's a summit finish on a fairly hard mountain, and that's not happening any time soon

Classic or monument? Contador finished 3rd at Fleche Wallone in his lone attempt at actually trying to win it. Lacking experience on the climb, he made the typical mistake of mistiming his effort. It's a race he could win if he put his mind to it. I'd imagine Froome could also. Both are aggressive riders with wide ranging attributes, with Contador having the edge in experience and tactical sense, so I would think that any of the hilly classics are within their realm of talents. For Contador it's too late though as he's recently admitted and even regretted as he loves LBL as a race that fits his talents.

 

[harryh]

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Chris is back training and on his TT bike

Man he looks good. No fat, lots of muscles. He will beat the old chipmunk by minutes in time trials. Third TdF victory and a gold metal in Rio is obviously possible.

 

[ray j willings]

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Froome 2 lucky GT wins ....

Bertie ...endless GT wins ....

Suck it up, Froome fan boys.
Froome is not half the rider Evans was. Evans was pure class in all kinds of races and but for bad luck would have won more tours and GT's.
Froome will never be a WC.

When was Bertie WC? I seemed to have missed it. Froome is more likely to ever win a big one day race than Contador given that his acceleration is sharper than Contador's.

(Well, I guess I replied to it, so maybe not all that pathetic )

Contador is clearly punchier than Froome he dropped Piti on a 15% wall in Paisco 2 weeks before Piti broke the Huy record. Dawg could only dream of such a performance.

Hmmmm

Yes, Froome could be similar to froome in Murr de Huy just if as we saw in la Pierre Froome is clearly beter than Purito.

You can always have a bad day, but Contador in Huy was just to try to follow someone stronger than him, Froome.

errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

 

[djpbaltimore]

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errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

Hello Pot, meet Kettle....

 

[Brullnux]

Purito is incredible on steep, short slopes no doubt about that.

Contador has a pretty similar acceleration to Froome, slightly better probably, and is much better when the pace is yo-yo ing a lot like a this year's Il Lombardia (Civiglio). Froome is best when the pace is high for a long time on a climb. Just one climb though, it's all about building a rhythm. Basically constant changes in rhythm aren't good for him. He cannot let Bertie or NQ dictate proceedings, or will probably lose.

 

[TI-Raleigh]

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errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

OK, I'll bite.

You must have watched a different Dauphine than I did. In the one I watched, Froome dropped TJ on two summit finishes and won the overall.

If you are again leaning on 2014 to build an argument that Contador is better than Froome, you are foolish. We have a whole new season to gather evidence as to who the best is right now. Besides, 2014 has been debated to death on these boards.

In 2015, Contador beat Froome at only one race, Catalunya.

Froome opened up the season by dropping Contador in Andalucia (a great and telling race you always overlook, except when mentioning Hazallanas, which is only half the story).

Then Catalunya, where Contador was superior to Froome but not superior to Pozzovivio, Valverde, or Porte.

They didn't meet again until the TdF. It was clear to everyone that for whatever reason, Contador did not have it. Despite repeated efforts, he failed to EVER seriously challenge for yellow.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at this year or last year and say that "Bertie kicked Froome's ass."

 

[dacooley]

ray, you are limitlessly relentless to froome. unfortunately. he's much much stronger than credit you give him.
although, i agree with you in measure, it's difficult to call froome's dauphine a really comfortable win. nonetheless, froome as well as contador always hugely improves in the tour compared to the dauphine.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

OK, I'll bite.

You must have watched a different Dauphine than I did. In the one I watched, Froome dropped TJ on two summit finishes and won the overall.

If you are again leaning on 2014 to build an argument that Contador is better than Froome, you are foolish. We have a whole new season to gather evidence as to who the best is right now. Besides, 2014 has been debated to death on these boards.

In 2015, Contador beat Froome at only one race, Catalunya.

Froome opened up the season by dropping Contador in Andalucia (a great and telling race you always overlook, except when mentioning Hazallanas, which is only half the story).

Then Catalunya, where Contador was superior to Froome but not superior to Pozzovivio, Valverde, or Porte.

They didn't meet again until the TdF. It was clear to everyone that for whatever reason, Contador did not have it. Despite repeated efforts, he failed to EVER seriously challenge for yellow.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at this year or last year and say that "Bertie kicked Froome's ass."

But Bertie kicked Froome's ass last year? in Catalunya (Dawg didn't even bother showing up at Tirreno), at the Dauphiné and at La Vuelta.
Froome dropped Contador and Contador dropped Froome in Andalucia. You accuse Ray jay of only telling half the story while you do the exact same thing. Contador beat Froome in the ITT and on stage 3 and Froome beat Contador on stage 4. In the end there were only 2s between them.
In Catalunya, Froome was so pathetic he lost 20 minutes each stage. Contador, even when he is in piss poor shape, still challenges for top 5 in the hardest races in the world.
Contador raced the Giro and won ON HIS OWN against Astana, and afterwards he STILL finished 5th in the Tour. Froome however got beat by Aru and Big Tomy at la Vuelta when going for his 2nd GT in a row.

 

[dacooley]

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Froome dropped Contador and Contador dropped Froome in Andalucia. You accuse Ray jay of only telling half the story while you do the exact same thing. Contador beat Froome in the ITT and on stage 3 and Froome beat Contador on stage 4. In the end there were only 2s between them.
In Catalunya, Froome was so pathetic he lost 20 minutes each stage. Contador, even when he is in piss poor shape, still challenges for top 5 in the hardest races in the world.
Contador raced the Giro and won ON HIS OWN against Astana, and afterwards he STILL finished 5th in the Tour. Froome however got beat by Aru and Big Tomy at la Vuelta when going for his 2nd GT in a row.

so you think this season bertie's perfomance as a whole was more convincing than froome's one?

 

[djpbaltimore]

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But Bertie kicked Froome's ass last year? in Catalunya (Dawg didn't even bother showing up at Tirreno), at the Dauphiné and at La Vuelta.
Froome dropped Contador and Contador dropped Froome in Andalucia. You accuse Ray jay of only telling half the story while you do the exact same thing. Contador beat Froome in the ITT and on stage 3 and Froome beat Contador on stage 4. In the end there were only 2s between them.
In Catalunya, Froome was so pathetic he lost 20 minutes each stage. Contador, even when he is in piss poor shape, still challenges for top 5 in the hardest races in the world.
Contador raced the Giro and won ON HIS OWN against Astana, and afterwards he STILL finished 5th in the Tour. Froome however got beat by Aru and Big Tomy at la Vuelta when going for his 2nd GT in a row.

As you just did yourself.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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But Bertie kicked Froome's ass last year? in Catalunya (Dawg didn't even bother showing up at Tirreno), at the Dauphiné and at La Vuelta.
Froome dropped Contador and Contador dropped Froome in Andalucia. You accuse Ray jay of only telling half the story while you do the exact same thing. Contador beat Froome in the ITT and on stage 3 and Froome beat Contador on stage 4. In the end there were only 2s between them.
In Catalunya, Froome was so pathetic he lost 20 minutes each stage. Contador, even when he is in piss poor shape, still challenges for top 5 in the hardest races in the world.
Contador raced the Giro and won ON HIS OWN against Astana, and afterwards he STILL finished 5th in the Tour. Froome however got beat by Aru and Big Tomy at la Vuelta when going for his 2nd GT in a row.

As you just did yourself.

What? He crashed out but before that he got beaten by Aru and Tom, and several others.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oh, and trust Dawg to crush in KM1 of the stage and break something all the Alien fans forget that there's a decent chance Froome won't even finish next year's Tour

 

[djpbaltimore]

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What? He crashed out but before that he got beaten by Aru and Tom, and several others.

Trailing Aru by 5 secs before he crashed out....

Contador fans are on a roll today in this thread.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What? He crashed out but before that he got beaten by Aru and Tom, and several others.

Trailing Aru by 5 secs before he crashed out....

Contador fans are on a roll today in this thread.

So does that mean he did not get beaten
Contador finished 2s behind Froome in Andalucia but did not get beaten?
Froome fans

 

[Mr.White]

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errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

OK, I'll bite.

You must have watched a different Dauphine than I did. In the one I watched, Froome dropped TJ on two summit finishes and won the overall.

If you are again leaning on 2014 to build an argument that Contador is better than Froome, you are foolish. We have a whole new season to gather evidence as to who the best is right now. Besides, 2014 has been debated to death on these boards.

In 2015, Contador beat Froome at only one race, Catalunya.

Froome opened up the season by dropping Contador in Andalucia (a great and telling race you always overlook, except when mentioning Hazallanas, which is only half the story).

Then Catalunya, where Contador was superior to Froome but not superior to Pozzovivio, Valverde, or Porte.

They didn't meet again until the TdF. It was clear to everyone that for whatever reason, Contador did not have it. Despite repeated efforts, he failed to EVER seriously challenge for yellow.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at this year or last year and say that "Bertie kicked Froome's ass."

And didn't he?

 

[dacooley]

in my view fans from both sides suffer frome several exaggerations and generalizations. froome won the 2015 tour where bertie wasn't a factor for more than respectable reason - the giro in the legs, but by and large that means nothing for their perspectives for the next year. the season before contador outclimbed froome and took a beautiful victory in the vuelta. though, i disagree with many who emphasizes that contador destroyed or was toying with froome uphill. in my understanding, that was a very hard win. yes, froome is not consistent, he didn't succeed to hold his peak over the whole 3 week race so far and that's his weak point. but when was the last time contador did a gt not showing weakness? when was the last time he demonstrated something ultraboundary (2013 ax-3, 2015 alpe d'huez / pierre-saint-martin) in grand tour? all these factors equalize froome's and contador's tour chances, imo

 

[ray j willings]

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errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

OK, I'll bite.

You must have watched a different Dauphine than I did. In the one I watched, Froome dropped TJ on two summit finishes and won the overall.

If you are again leaning on 2014 to build an argument that Contador is better than Froome, you are foolish. We have a whole new season to gather evidence as to who the best is right now. Besides, 2014 has been debated to death on these boards.

In 2015, Contador beat Froome at only one race, Catalunya.

Froome opened up the season by dropping Contador in Andalucia (a great and telling race you always overlook, except when mentioning Hazallanas, which is only half the story).

Then Catalunya, where Contador was superior to Froome but not superior to Pozzovivio, Valverde, or Porte.

They didn't meet again until the TdF. It was clear to everyone that for whatever reason, Contador did not have it. Despite repeated efforts, he failed to EVER seriously challenge for yellow.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at this year or last year and say that "Bertie kicked Froome's ass."

Yes they can and I did.

I think Froome is a GOOD rider but he's certainly not won his tours against top competition in great form.
He has had more than his fair share of luck and Movies bad tactics helped a lot this year.
2014 has been the only year where he has come against a top form rival " Bertie" and he did get his ass kicked.
Bertie gets back to 90% form you all know that come the last week Froome chances of victory will fade away on those French cols and if Quintana stops being scared of attacking then Froome will just about hang onto a podium place. I think personally he will capitulate like he did at the Dauphine in 2014 when he knew Bertie was to strong.
Look at the tour this year. He wasn't able to go with attacks in the last week or so. Did you miss him nodding his head to G because he couldn't follow him and G had to hang back.
Froome is well over rated IMO. A great rider yes , but not a legend. He needs a Long TT or wind split in his favour to have any chance of holding on to a lead when he hits the mountains. Quintana dropped him like a fly and so did Bertie and TJ this year. and Talansky did last year. He seems to have one full on attack and then he his spent.
Its a great attack though i'll give him that.
I was happy with Froome winning the tour this year, I said he rode a great race clever/smart and held on for a worthy victory.
I'm not a hater, I just think he's over rated.

 

[TI-Raleigh]

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errrrr what happened to Froome at the Vuelta when TD beat him. Infact what happened to Froome all the times he got his ass kicked this year and last. TJ beat him at the dauphine.

Fact Purito at his best proved himself the king of shortish steep climbs.

You always pick stuff that fits your argument but in no way gives a balanced view.

You have still yet to answer how Bertie kicked Froome's ass all last season?

OK, I'll bite.

You must have watched a different Dauphine than I did. In the one I watched, Froome dropped TJ on two summit finishes and won the overall.

If you are again leaning on 2014 to build an argument that Contador is better than Froome, you are foolish. We have a whole new season to gather evidence as to who the best is right now. Besides, 2014 has been debated to death on these boards.

In 2015, Contador beat Froome at only one race, Catalunya.

Froome opened up the season by dropping Contador in Andalucia (a great and telling race you always overlook, except when mentioning Hazallanas, which is only half the story).

Then Catalunya, where Contador was superior to Froome but not superior to Pozzovivio, Valverde, or Porte.

They didn't meet again until the TdF. It was clear to everyone that for whatever reason, Contador did not have it. Despite repeated efforts, he failed to EVER seriously challenge for yellow.

I'm not sure how anyone can look at this year or last year and say that "Bertie kicked Froome's ass."

And didn't he?

As I stated, the 2014 season has been debated to death. However, ass kicking implies that there was a large gap between riders. That was not the case in 2014; it was very close between both.

Regardless of 2014, this year is much more valuable in predictive power for the future. So we should be spending more time analyzing that than arguing about who was better in '14.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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So does that mean he did not get beaten
Contador finished 2s behind Froome in Andalucia but did not get beaten?
Froome fans

It means that you are only telling half the story to make your point just as you criticized somebody else of doing. I made no comment on the other poster's argument. I think Aru was more likely to beat Froome in the Vuelta, but that 5 second lead was insignificant. Froome was beaten because he didn't finish the race. That is the whole story. How would you respond to Nibali fans telling you that Nibali beat Contador in the 2014 TDF?

The key thing that you and Ray don't understand is that you are allowed to post negative things here, but you will be called out for distorting facts and making ludicrous claims.