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Isaak-Gabriel said:Quintana, Aru etc should do a test too, why Froome only
true, but it should be understood that whatever data sky gives to the world, overwhelming majority would treat it critically. on here, people tend to love or hate to the last and extremely rarely change their minds.Red Rick said:dacooley said:that's much easier - haters gonna hate.Red Rick said:HelloDolly said:So Chris Froome does has the attributes of a Tour de France champion
http://chrisfroome.esquire.co.uk/
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/12/froomes-data-released-showing-impressive-lab-results-as-well-as-some-limited-blood-test-figures/
Guess some bias idiots on here will continue to call him a mutant and ET , no matter what
If you think that has any credibility whatsoever, you haven't been paying attention
It's not about hating, it's about knowing when research means something. They have 1 data point in 2007. Then they directly translate his power output to his super thin output, cause they assume that power output won't change when you change into a skeleton. They assume he's clean during the tests because they test him (if they even do that, and if they'd do the same tests they'd do as when he was racing, it would just be selection bias).
Froome and Sky put themselves out there with their cleaner than thou attitude, then they follow that up with empty arguments, contradictions, and more ******. Why do they do that? Because people fall for it, even though Armstrong did the exact same thing and was busted only a couple of years ago.
“It’s interesting and I’d like to do more,” he says. “One of the reasons was to understand more about my physiology and maybe find ways to be better. I’d like to do the VO2 test again, because I was definitely quite tired. I can do better.”
hrotha said:Why would you discuss this here instead of at the Clinic?
djpbaltimore said:For Red Rick who implied that scientists made up the data. No one would sacrifice their careers for a cyclist. And that is what fudging data for a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal would entail. Career suicide. FWIW, Swart isn't even British.
djpbaltimore said:I disagree, there are a lot of people who don't want to post in the clinic. What is wrong with talking about Froome's physiology in the Froome thread?
For Red Rick who implied that scientists made up the data. No one would sacrifice their careers for a cyclist. And that is what fudging data for a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal would entail. Career suicide. FWIW, Swart isn't even British.
Alberto's FTP is 420W same as Froome but Alberto weighs much lesspink_jersey said:6,26 watt/kg?! ) That's insane, but Contador can do better. Didn't he had 6,78 watt/kg on Verbier? Alberto to win TdF 2016.
Carols said:Isaak-Gabriel said:Quintana, Aru etc should do a test too, why Froome only
Well because as Brailsford said "“There are opportunities to do what we can to make the unbelievable believable.”
The other 2 showed talent young and realistic progression in their careers. But if they wanted to share their data that would be fine.
pink_jersey said:6,26 watt/kg?! ) That's insane, but Contador can do better. Didn't he had 6,78 watt/kg on Verbier? Alberto to win TdF 2016.
LaFlorecita said:Alberto's FTP is 420W same as Froome but Alberto weighs much lesspink_jersey said:6,26 watt/kg?! ) That's insane, but Contador can do better. Didn't he had 6,78 watt/kg on Verbier? Alberto to win TdF 2016.
djpbaltimore said:I disagree, there are a lot of people who don't want to post in the clinic. What is wrong with talking about Froome's physiology in the Froome thread?
For Red Rick who implied that scientists made up the data. No one would sacrifice their careers for a cyclist. And that is what fudging data for a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal would entail. Career suicide. FWIW, Swart isn't even British.
That was Contador almost 7 years ago. Not the 33 year old Contador.pink_jersey said:6,26 watt/kg?! ) That's insane, but Contador can do better. Didn't he had 6,78 watt/kg on Verbier? Alberto to win TdF 2016.
WheelofGear said:That was Contador almost 7 years ago. Not the 33 year old Contador.pink_jersey said:6,26 watt/kg?! ) That's insane, but Contador can do better. Didn't he had 6,78 watt/kg on Verbier? Alberto to win TdF 2016.
And do you honestly believe that the other teams are studying Froome's numbers? From what I can read, they don't even care.
pink_jersey said:WheelofGear said:That was Contador almost 7 years ago. Not the 33 year old Contador.pink_jersey said:6,26 watt/kg?! ) That's insane, but Contador can do better. Didn't he had 6,78 watt/kg on Verbier? Alberto to win TdF 2016.
And do you honestly believe that the other teams are studying Froome's numbers? From what I can read, they don't even care.
They are really, really stupid if don't care...Saxo, Movistar and Astana should take a look at this.
Yeah, Contador is 7 years older but I don't think his level dropped so much. I think he can beat Froome.
Jspear said:I can think of a few who have...others could easily do the same today.
dacooley said:not a bad question in general, but a stupid one for laflo.WheelofGear said:You really believe that Contador would have been able to hang on to Froome on Pierre St Martin if he was in peak shape?LaFlorecita said:Yes this
Yes no doubt in my mind Berto has put out 5.9 W/kg before on long climbs, no problemoWheelofGear said:You really believe that Contador would have been able to hang on to Froome on Pierre St Martin if he was in peak shape?LaFlorecita said:Yes this
Red Rick said:You think after all the stuff Sky's said, all the contradictions, all the media hype, this would be to go ahead with a clean slate? Power date proves nothing, VO2 max proves zilch. It was done in England for **** sake. Stuff like that is just too easy to get away with and everyone's buying it. There's just very few ways to prove you're legit, and doing such a dumb test certainly isn't one of them. Guy wins tour, tests himself 2 weeks later. Yeah, that's Tour winner power output right there. No **** ****.HelloDolly said:Red Rick said:HelloDolly said:So Chris Froome does has the attributes of a Tour de France champion
http://chrisfroome.esquire.co.uk/
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/12/froomes-data-released-showing-impressive-lab-results-as-well-as-some-limited-blood-test-figures/
Guess some bias idiots on here will continue to call him a mutant and ET , no matter what
If you think that has any credibility whatsoever, you haven't been paying attention
I have been paying attention ...this is what was asked for and this is what he gave..VO2 max for instance was the cry of many cynics on here
And what's more it is more than what other riders are providing
But hey no matter what he does there will the same people with the big stick, sticking it to Froome and SKY
Give us your data
Oh it s not the right data
Oh we don't believe it
Oh we wanted this and not that
And you talk about credibility and paying attention
I'm not gonna believe shams like this until someone comes up with a legit reason for me to not be sceptic about it.
LaFlorecita said:Yes no doubt in my mind Berto has put out 5.9 W/kg before on long climbs, no problemoWheelofGear said:You really believe that Contador would have been able to hang on to Froome on Pierre St Martin if he was in peak shape?LaFlorecita said:Yes this
PremierAndrew said:LaFlorecita said:Yes no doubt in my mind Berto has put out 5.9 W/kg before on long climbs, no problemoWheelofGear said:You really believe that Contador would have been able to hang on to Froome on Pierre St Martin if he was in peak shape?LaFlorecita said:Yes this
Froome was at least 6 that day