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Valv.Piti said:lenric said:Because of the Olympics, Froome trained more his TT in the beginning of the season, hence his lower dominance in the mountains.
Next year things will be different and unless his physical capacity diminishes, I believe we're going to see something similar to last year.
Nah, he will be much better in time trials than 2015. Nobody even cared for training that aspect of their game due the TdF-route. I expect him to be very close to his 2016 in time trials again, obviously depending on route, but lets assume 40-50 km of ITT.
Amnes2015 said:he will not get an easier tour than 2016
i don't think he will have a better chance than this to do the double
"I'm always open to anything. I wouldn't write (the Giro) off. But I think mostly important it's about seeing what route organisers go with and see what takes my fancy," Froome said in a statement on his Team Sky website.
SeriousSam said:"I'm always open to anything. I wouldn't write (the Giro) off. But I think mostly important it's about seeing what route organisers go with and see what takes my fancy," Froome said in a statement on his Team Sky website.
Let's hope not. Winning the Giro should wait until he's declining, or if circumstances (team not being invited, coming back from a ban, etc) were to force participation.
SeriousSam said:"I'm always open to anything. I wouldn't write (the Giro) off. But I think mostly important it's about seeing what route organisers go with and see what takes my fancy," Froome said in a statement on his Team Sky website.
Let's hope not. Winning the Giro should wait until he's declining, or if circumstances (team not being invited, coming back from a ban, etc) were to force participation.
Quintana was the best climber of this year's Vuelta after doing the Tour & the best climber in the second half of the 2015 Tour. I fail to see why Froome would still be the better climber.Oliwright said:He's been the best climber since 2012. Quintana is getting close, but Froome is still better.
IndianCyclist said:One rider missing who could have saved Froome on Formigal or made a difference today was Kwiatkowski
Inquitus said:IndianCyclist said:One rider missing who could have saved Froome on Formigal or made a difference today was Kwiatkowski
I think Landa and Roche were sorely missed to be honest.
Tonton said:Yes, second place is not good ...
Great season for the Dawg. And classy in defeat,which should earn him more fans. I hope that Quintana cured what I perceive as an inferiority complex, so we can expect a great rivalry in the years to come. Only Sky's best line up is truly dominant, it seems. Can Movistar match it? What/who would it take?
Congrats, Chris. Great '16 vintage.
Pricey_sky said:A fantastic season, he set out to stay competitive from the Tour through Rio and in to the Vuelta and he more than did that. He was one of the few GC guys that actually tried something courageous in France.
A 1st-2nd in back to back GT's is a very good achievement, even if the Tour-Vuelta is the easier double to do. Add an Olympic medal in to that and its one of the best seasons in recent history.
Also liked his mark of respect to Quintana at the end, a very nice gesture that shows he is actually a decent guy who appreciates the sport and competition.
He deserves a well earned rest now and all thoughts begin to turn to the fight for a 4th Tour win, although personally one year I'd love him to do a Giro-Vuelta season.
JRanton said:It's upsetting to think that Froome is still one behind Nibali in grand tour wins when the difference in their ability as Grand Tour riders is enormous.
JRanton said:It's upsetting to think that Froome is still one behind Nibali in grand tour wins when the difference in their ability as Grand Tour riders is enormous.
deValtos said:JRanton said:It's upsetting to think that Froome is still one behind Nibali in grand tour wins when the difference in their ability as Grand Tour riders is enormous.
Menchov has won more GT's than both Ullrich and Pantani yet I think the later two have a much bigger place in the history of the sport. It's not all about the wins.
JRanton said:Pricey_sky said:A fantastic season, he set out to stay competitive from the Tour through Rio and in to the Vuelta and he more than did that. He was one of the few GC guys that actually tried something courageous in France.
A 1st-2nd in back to back GT's is a very good achievement, even if the Tour-Vuelta is the easier double to do. Add an Olympic medal in to that and its one of the best seasons in recent history.
Also liked his mark of respect to Quintana at the end, a very nice gesture that shows he is actually a decent guy who appreciates the sport and competition.
He deserves a well earned rest now and all thoughts begin to turn to the fight for a 4th Tour win, although personally one year I'd love him to do a Giro-Vuelta season.
We already knew he was a decent guy before this gesture. In the UK he gets hate because he apparently disrespected Wiggins by daring to leave his side for 20 seconds of a three week race. Everyone forgets that Wiggins had already cost Froome a grand tour and was a complete **** to Froome on that race when they were roommates. The very least Wiggins deserved was to be shown that he wasn't the strongest climber in the race.
Valv.Piti said:lenric said:Because of the Olympics, Froome trained more his TT in the beginning of the season, hence his lower dominance in the mountains.
Next year things will be different and unless his physical capacity diminishes, I believe we're going to see something similar to last year.
Nah, he will be much better in time trials than 2015. Nobody even cared for training that aspect of their game due the TdF-route. I expect him to be very close to his 2016 in time trials again, obviously depending on route, but lets assume 40-50 km of ITT.
Amnes2015 said:re: Froome 2016 = Pantani 1998
for start, nobody takes serious the 5 consecutive Champions Cup Real Madrid won 50 years ago. Imagine today someone winning 5 consecutive Champions League. Impossible.
so in the past winning was much much easier. no global competition , no money, no media.
this is the first reason i think Froome 2016 = Pantani 1998
the 2nd reason is the competition they faced. I think Pantani got a good period , with Indurain declining and Armstrong yet to appear. Froome competes in what is probably the heaviest GC field ever.
3rd reason is that Froome 2016 has more wins, has a Dauphine win and a longer period of being competitive at top level.
that's enough for me
silvergrenade said:deValtos said:JRanton said:It's upsetting to think that Froome is still one behind Nibali in grand tour wins when the difference in their ability as Grand Tour riders is enormous.
Menchov has won more GT's than both Ullrich and Pantani yet I think the later two have a much bigger place in the history of the sport. It's not all about the wins.
200 years from now I think the wins would start mattering more IMO.
deValtos said:silvergrenade said:deValtos said:JRanton said:It's upsetting to think that Froome is still one behind Nibali in grand tour wins when the difference in their ability as Grand Tour riders is enormous.
Menchov has won more GT's than both Ullrich and Pantani yet I think the later two have a much bigger place in the history of the sport. It's not all about the wins.
200 years from now I think the wins would start mattering more IMO.
I think the opposite is more likely to happen. Unless you are the guy who has the won the most GT's or the most Tours or most Giros etc no one 200 years from now will be interested in a random person who has won a few GT's. Only thing that will get remember are stories or events. I never saw any race before 2000 or so but I know about Lemond and Fignon because of the really close finish and the tri bars. I know also the 1994 fleche wallone story because of how the race was ridden. Pantani the pirate and his fast climbs and subsequent death and scandal means he has an interesting story. The story about the guy who had to weld his bike together on the tourmalet gets told pretty much every TDF on eurosport.
Froome is doing ok so far by running up a mountain and practicing yoyos and his interesting style on the bike.
But I'm sure it's stories and events that get remembered in the long run because those are things you can talk about. There's nothing to say about a faceless name who won 4GT's in a generation you never grew up in. It's just a statistic really.