Chris Hoy - hard work and dreaming big

[The Hitch]

There is an argument but you aren't clever enough to see it.......let me spell it out for you as simply as I can.......multi Olympic golds in the 2000s are being cited (sorry for the difficult word) as evidence of doping......therefore by that logic Wiggins was doping to win his 3 Olympic golds in 2004-08........still with me?.....and yet......during those very same years he was having NO success on the roads.........certainly in comparison to 2009-12........so either the doping only worked when riding on wooden boards....or........shock horror......he wasn't doping.........if he was doping for those 2004-08 golds then what accounts for the sudden leap in performance in 2009???......... Can't be dope because he was already doping following Hitch logic......there........that is probably about three or four logical steps too many for you to manage so doubtless you'll come back with something typically fatuous

Mark L

Wiggins can't have been doping because he didn't win the tour de France and Olympic pursuit in the same year?

Wtf is this logic. It's like saying Armstrong can't have been doping because he only did the marathon in 3 hours. If he was a doper he would have broken the world record. Because all sports are the same and require the same doping methods

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Just another sad racist with some sort of drugs fetish.

Some people seem to be forgetting the much smaller talent pool in track cycling and the greater return of medals compared to investment compared to real Worldwide sports.

Same goes for rowing, sailing and horse-boarding.

Not everybody who has ever won a medal was on drugs. Would some people just like to admit that before they make themselves look even more pathetic than normal?

I feel your pain...

In a sport rifled with doping a man who wins is just suspect, sorry for your sorry English **** the person is/was British. Me thinks you are the moral superior racist here.

I like Hoy so he must be cleans, Scotts - not Brits - dont dope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybxfZoT6VHQ

Game on.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Where did I say he refused to dope on the road? And it is well known that people dope in all kinds of sports that have absolutely no money or fame.

All we know is that he had a gigantic leap in performance in 2009. Obviously something changed. Either he went from clean to mega doper, or he went from small time doper to mega doper.

Kind of like the Dawg. We dont know if he was clean at Barloworld either.

Hoy, on the other hand, cleans. Hard work. Sacrifice.

I love how the point of view questioning claims of doping **completely** ignore the simple fact the current anti-doping policies for all IOC sports support doping, just minimize the controversy.

 

[SundayRider]

Do you think the track events lend themselves to more "genetic advantage" and less doping advantage than road? By this I mean there is more of a flat bell curve to Sprint power than endurance ie some people's make up just make them good sprinters where the endurance bell curve is more flat so everybody is more similar to a degree in trainability? Also the doping advantage to endurance has much more advantage than to power?

Aerobic fitness is more trainable than anaerobic qualities. However we all know that the 100m is one of the most doped events ever.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I feel your pain...

In a sport rifled with doping a man who wins is just suspect, sorry for your sorry English **** the person is/was British. Me thinks you are the moral superior racist here.

Are you sure? Those legs look a lot like Forsterman's to me.
Couldn't this be the old Forsterman-Greipel pic?

This thread is really funny. Had a good LOL.
Keep it up lads!

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Are you sure? Those legs look a lot like Forsterman's to me.
Couldn't this be the old Forsterman-Greipel pic?

This thread is really funny. Had a good LOL.
Keep it up lads!

Well said, this is rapidly becoming my favourite thread in the clinic.

 

[ebandit]

Wiggins can't have been doping because he didn't win the tour de France and Olympic pursuit in the same year?

Wtf is this logic. It's like saying Armstrong can't have been doping because he only did the marathon in 3 hours. If he was a doper he would have broken the world record. Because all sports are the same and require the same doping methods

He didn't just 'not win the Tdf' he was an irrelevance....... that has been a cornerstone of most of the arguments against Wiggins on this forum.........don't try and backtrack now or Sceptic and Bendy69 will have an aneurism .....

..........besides it isn't about Wiggins..... It is about using track golds as evidence of doping.....

Mark L

 

[oldcrank]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gd3g34JgZg

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gd3g34JgZg

Great bloke that Chris Hoy, more than two years since he retired and not one person has come up with a single reason to suggest he doped on this thread. We should be celebrating this guy as a great role model.

 

[oldcrank]

Great bloke that Chris Hoy, more than two years since he retired and not one person has come up with a single reason to suggest he doped on this thread. We should be celebrating this guy as a great role model.

I couldn't agree more, my friend.

 

[ebandit]

Don't go there Bernie........the whining that is about to happen will be painful on all levels

Mark L

 

[Mellow Velo]

Well, I never, who would have thought?
British porkie pies in the Clinic.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...fflb&q=forstermann+greipel+legs+photo&spell=1

I knew I'd seen that photo before.

 

[ebandit]

Ah ha ha ha ha......ever get the feeling you've been cheated. Game on.

Mark L

 

[the sceptic]

Great bloke that Chris Hoy, more than two years since he retired and not one person has come up with a single reason to suggest he doped on this thread. We should be celebrating this guy as a great role model.

lol. He was a professional athlete that won and it is easy to get around the testing. Do the math.

Now you on the other hand has not come up with a single reason to suggest he was clean.

Being british and not testing positive doesnt count.

 

[ebandit]

That is like asking you to prove you aren't a paedo....actually, can you?........never being caught won't cut it by the way

Mark L

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

lol. He was a professional athlete that won and it is easy to get around the testing. Do the math.

Now you on the other hand has not come up with a single reason to suggest he was clean.

Being british and not testing positive doesnt count.

Like I already said, that reasoning can apply to any athlete in the history of any sport. I could just as easily accuse you of being a murderer on the grounds that some people are murderers and that most of them claimed not to be murderers. That's the extent of your argument.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

That is like asking you to prove you aren't a paedo....actually, can you?........never being caught won't cut it by the way

Mark L

Lmao, beat me to it.

 

[Benotti69]

Well, I never, who would have thought?
British porkie pies in the Clinic.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...fflb&q=forstermann+greipel+legs+photo&spell=1

I knew I'd seen that photo before.

I dont see anywhere in the post with the photo that says those legs are Hoys?

Those legs of Forstermans are massive and dont look normal, but then neither did Hoys yet Hoy beat this guy time and time again.

No Hoy never tested positive, but neither did Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Millar, Hesjedal, Hincapie and plenty of others

 

[the sceptic]

Like I already said, that reasoning can apply to any athlete in the history of any sport. I could just as easily accuse you of being a murderer on the grounds that some people are murderers and that most of them claimed not to be murderers. That's the extent of your argument.

Awful analogy. But wouldnt expect more.

Comparing murdering people to doping in sports. Reality check please.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I dont see anywhere in the post with the photo that says those legs are Hoys?

Those legs of Forstermans are massive and dont look normal, but then neither did Hoys yet Hoy beat this guy time and time again.

No Hoy never tested positive, but neither did Armstrong, Ullrich, Basso, Millar, Hesjedal, Hincapie and plenty of others

I was looking at the post and it disappeared in a puff of smoke.

Anyhow, the quote was:

**** the person is/was British

So, clearly not Hoy, but clearly not............British.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Awful analogy. But wouldnt expect more.

Comparing murdering people to doping in sports. Reality check please.

It's exactly the same analogy which you used. The degree of the crime is irrelevant.

 

[ebandit]

My analogy seems to have touched a nerve

Mark L

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Are you sure? Those legs look a lot like Forsterman's to me.
Couldn't this be the old Forsterman-Greipel pic?

This thread is really funny. Had a good LOL.
Keep it up lads!

Of course it is Forsterman Mellow. Duh...

Who deleted my Flower of Scotland?
One of the best ever anthems.

 

[Benotti69]

I was looking at the post and it disappeared in a puff of smoke.

Anyhow, the quote was:
So, clearly not Hoy, but clearly not............British.

Why dont you post a photo of Hoy's 'normal' Olympic sized legs.....

 

[the sceptic]

It's exactly the same analogy which you used. The degree of the crime is irrelevant.

do I really have to explain this?

1. Professional sport is an environment that promotes doping. Most societies do not promote murdering.

2. The ethical hurdle you have to overcome to cheat in sports is much much smaller than murdering another person.

3. Murdering someone doesnt always come with immediate financial benefits.

4. The likelyhood of getting caught is much bigger and the punishment much more severe if you murder someone.

Conclusion: Only a very small minority of the general population are potential murderers, so it is absurd to accuse a random person of being one.

I believe that proves my point. Thank you, the sceptic.