Chris Hoy

[samhocking]

So why, when other nations have had the last 100 years to do what British Cycling did on the track - didn't they? Hoy and Armstrong's career is basically parallel in terms of such unbelievable domination during modern doping era. The thing is though, if it wasn't Armstrong dominating and Landis/USADA getting in his way, it would have been Ullrich & Operation Puerto, if wasn't Ullrich & Puerto, maybe Pantani and UCI, if not Pantani, maybe Basso, Kloeden etc etc it never ends. All those riders were chasing Armstrong and if it weren't for Armstrong, they could have dominated through doping instead.

My point is then, Hoy's domination can't be compared to Armstrong in terms of 'it's too good to be true', because there's not a trail of doped riders chasing his domination, subsequently exposed underneath all his wins. Well, apart from Baugé. i.e. I see no indication that Nations are protected more in Track than they are on Road and I see no indication that for the last 70 years while British Cycling didn't dominate track that it should be so easy for them to just stroll up to UCI/WADA or whoever and somehow simply get immunity when clearly this has never been possible on the road, even if you believe Armstrong could buy off UCI for protection. You can't buy off everybody and you can't control or stop a Festina, Puerto, USADA happening. It would have happened to Hoy and British Cycling, just as it has for every other cycling Nation in the last 10-20 years.

 

[samhocking]

Quotes from a book? Proves my point lol!

 

[blackcat]

Re:

" .....but infecting many of those involved in the British team like a mild virus. Bradley Wiggins the defending world and Olympic pursuit champion, qualifies second to a virtually unknown Dutchman - this after vomiting shortly before his qualifying ride. "

jenning huizinga road out of his skin for a 4'17" in either the preceding world cup, or the worlds that year
in this inimitable words of baden cooke* tho, he could not peel custard skin of custard with custard skin... did not exactly go like that, I think he was referring to Petacchi in 2003 he said, may not be the same rider, you can go to not being able to pull skin off custard... lemme find the quote...

yep, i was right. good memory blackcat, now just stop referring to yourself in the thirdperson or talking to yourself
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2003/interviews/?id=baden_cooke03-2

However, Cooke has had a chance to talk with Petacchi after the Tour at the races. "He's just a normal bloke, he seems like a good guy," Cooke said of the 'gentleman sprinter'. "If he continues like he did this year then he'll be very hard to beat, but he's got to get himself to the finish," he said.

Even so, Cooke is a little wary of the rider's sudden arrival as a sprinter. "Before the age of 28, it's like he never did a thing, so with riders like that, where they have a really big year, it's possible they could back to where they were before. He may not be able to pull the skin off a custard."

 

[blackcat]

i preferred Haynes to hayles anyway.

Hayles also had a year or two on Cofidis, I think his first year he was there with Millar, no, actually I meant to say Millar's first year he was with Hayles.

I think some of these teams, maybe not Cofidis, but the Vlaanderen Topsport team, when they were Chocolade Jacques with Rambo Eekhout and Colnado Tonnisteiner or Tonnisteiner Colnago, and guys like Manning in 2005 were with Tonnisteiner, did not BC pay their wages and get them a ride in the crosswinds of Flanders and the kermesses or kermisses or whatever the damn plural of kermesse or kermisse is.

I suppose it is better than bringing the track team out here downunder to australia and bendigo in the off season to ride the madison and some crits.

or send them to some cinderblock east euro city like bremen under heiko salzwedal in 2008 like Clancy and Cavendish at Thuringer Energie or the other super neo-espoir team...

not the Winfix/AKUD one in Koln, but the other one. Which one did MArtin ride on? LibertineSeguros??? I know Linus Gerdeman was on Winfix/Akud, I knew someone who rode for them.

I can see the little fat pudgy Cavendish in the grey whitish kit with the red logo of the team of Heiko. I have used that pic on here recently, I dont think it is Thuringer Energie, for some reason I am thinking Martin was an Energie rider. I know he won the u23 race Thuringen Rundt or whatever it is, the female pro race is pretty high profile, the espoirs/u23 race is about the biggest espoir race in Germany. I think Martin wins in 2005, Will Walker lead the race for about 4 of the 5 stages and lost on the last stage to Martin, he was riding for the Rabo espoirs team.

 

[The Carrot]

With all that is transpiring at the moment with regards sport, with all we know about cycling especially, does anyone not at least have some suspicions about the most dominant Olympic cycling team in history?

 

[blackcat]

Re:

With all that is transpiring at the moment with regards sport, with all we know about cycling especially, does anyone not at least have some suspicions about the most dominant Olympic cycling team in history?

I dont have any suspicions. I have enough confidence to put my head under a guillotine in the knowledge they are rat bastard dopers...

*caveat is on the definition of doping. The definition we use in the clinic, I am content to put my neck/head under the blade.

p'raps not the Insider v Outsider rule <if it does not show up it is not doping>....

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

With all that is transpiring at the moment with regards sport, with all we know about cycling especially, does anyone not at least have some suspicions about the most dominant Olympic cycling team in history?

I dont have any suspicions. I have enough confidence to put my head under a guillotine in the knowledge they are rat bastard dopers...

i'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.

 

[Benotti69]

Sir Bradley Wiggins is greatest ever British cyclist says Sir Chris Hoy -

http://road.cc/content/news/175035-sir-bradley-wiggins-greatest-ever-british-cyclist-says-sir-chris-hoy#sthash.ugMu6abO.dpuf

nod nod wink wink

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

With all that is transpiring at the moment with regards sport, with all we know about cycling especially, does anyone not at least have some suspicions about the most dominant Olympic cycling team in history?

I dont have any suspicions. I have enough confidence to put my head under a guillotine in the knowledge they are rat bastard dopers...

*caveat is on the definition of doping. The definition we use in the clinic, I am content to put my neck/head under the blade.

p'raps not the Insider v Outsider rule <if it does not show up it is not doping>....

Would you like somebody who may not subscribe to your favoured definition to be in charge of the blade?

I suppose that in view of the difficulty anyone would have in proving you are wrong (things being like that) you can rest content. The man with the blade may give you the benefit of the doubt and save you.

 

[Benotti69]

Chris Hoy doesn't mind Russians cheating, same as the British.......

"She fell off to get a restart - that's what you do ": Chris Hoy

...You take drugs to compete and win - that's what you do.......

 

[sniper]

Re:

Chris Hoy doesn't mind Russians cheating, same as the British.......

"She fell off to get a restart - that's what you do ": Chris Hoy

...You take drugs to compete and win - that's what you do.......

as a wise man once said, you don't cheat on monday but not on tuesday.