Chris Hoy

[JimmyFingers]

Haha that much is abundantly clear. But you'll admit that there are no whispers, no innuendos, no suspicious blood values with Hoy. It makes debating his cleanliness a bit rhetorical. Personally I need a bit more meat to get stuck in, the biggest red flag for me with Sky for example is their association with Leinders for example, but with Hoy there's nothing. So it remains big thighs, won a lot, head may have changed shape, but probably didn't.

 

[Benotti69]

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Haha that much is abundantly clear. But you'll admit that there are no whispers, no innuendos, no suspicious blood values with Hoy. It makes debating his cleanliness a bit rhetorical. Personally I need a bit more meat to get stuck in, the biggest red flag for me with Sky for example is their association with Leinders for example, but with Hoy there's nothing. So it remains big thighs, won a lot, head may have changed shape, but probably didn't.

It is track racing Jimmy, why compare road racing stuff with track?

Hoy beat doping nations, Jimmy, that is a red flag.

 

[simoni]

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Peter, you cant go around shouting that all these allegations are false and then say Djoker is doping without giving some evidence as to his doping.

You only need to look at his eyes.

Apparently.

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Haha that much is abundantly clear. But you'll admit that there are no whispers, no innuendos, no suspicious blood values with Hoy. It makes debating his cleanliness a bit rhetorical. Personally I need a bit more meat to get stuck in, the biggest red flag for me with Sky for example is their association with Leinders for example, but with Hoy there's nothing. So it remains big thighs, won a lot, head may have changed shape, but probably didn't.

It is track racing Jimmy, why compare road racing stuff with track?

Hoy beat doping nations, Jimmy, that is a red flag.

Not sure where you get me comparing road and track from, I used the example of some solid evidence against Sky i.e. a doping Doctor working for them. My point is there is nothing like that with Hoy, no whispers or anything. You come back with something I have already covered.

So we're back to big thighs and winning.

 

[The Hitch]

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I think we're in very dangerous territory if big muscles is immediately taken as proof of doping. Muscle mass can be built without recourse to drugs. That isn't to say he was clean, but at the same time there's no smoking gun either.

Not that many here need to smoking gun to assume guilt. Just with Hoy it is mere speculation, where as with Radcliffe for example there's a lot more circumstantial evidence.

Just saying.

You may want to look up the word "dangerous" in the dictionary.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Why mate? *edited by mod* My caution is about chucking about accusations when there is zero rumour apart from, and let's repeat this for nostalgia, what this thread has so far revealed about Chris Hoy is:

He had big thighs.

He won races.

He eats bran flakes.

He didn't endorse Irn Bru, even though he should have.

Unless you have more to add?

 

[42x16ss]

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Peter, you cant go around shouting that all these allegations are false and then say Djoker is doping without giving some evidence as to his doping.

But he's not a good young British lad. Ergo doper

 

[42x16ss]

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If, as an athlete you are better than your competitors, you normally beat them. If they take drugs to improve their performance, but are still not as good as you, then you still beat them. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. See G Obree for an obvious example. Kicked out of his pro team for refusing to dope. Still beat the curs on the track mind.

Andy Murray can still beat the doped Djoker, just not as often as he could when they were both clean youngsters before the serbian drug regime took hold.

Has freddy (got fingered) the frog ever apologised for their lies about a massive drugs ring run by british athletics in the early 1980's in Edinburgh yet? Anybody who knows anything about the way Scottish Athletics was run and the attitude towards Scottish sport by the english administrators wouldn't have given their insane rant more than a second's consideration before laughing themselves sick. It is a theorem worthy of David Ike on LSD. But on the clinic the usual suspects believe every word.

Peter, thank you for raising that point. I understand your need to exaggerate the account in order to attempt to propel it to unbelievablility, but sadly, you seemed to have missed some revelations.

"There is no truth in the allegations made about my involvement in 'acquiescing' to the use of drugs by athletes,'' **** said. "I have throughout my coaching career, when asked, educated athletes as to how these drugs work and the damage they do whilst also forcefully pointing out that taking such drugs to improve athletic performance is cheating.

"In my opinion such cheats should be banned for life. Explaining things to athletes in this way is not a unique concept, it is the basis of all education today."

Frank D i c k responding to allegations. So last we heard he was going to sue the Times, but that was all a long time ago. I wonder how he got on ?

Oh yes I remember now - exactly how he got on

he didn't sue them. He has had a few years to do it, but hasn't.
"Wot not even in the UK where the libel laws favour the plaintive ?"
"No, Frank has not sued".

And then since my piece - you seem to have totally missed that my suggestion, that Jimmy Ledingham was doping athletes whilst he was senior Medic on the British Olympic team, has been aired by Panorama. BBC putting it out on prime time TV. They did not play the tapes but had transcripts. And they went public and wudn't U have thunk it ! A Scottish icon was exposed.

"I can look back with substantial pride on my individual achievements. None of these medals were achieved with the aid of illegal performance-enhancing substances.
"Some of my contemporaries within the athletics team have been discredited by their own involvement in drug use. We won 4x100m relay gold for Scotland at the 1978 Commonwealth Games, but that medal will be forever tarnished in my mind by the admissions of McMaster and Jenkins.

[U talkin' about that Commonwealth record that stood for ages until the nice Jamaican sprint boys came along and Scottish Athletics still have in their record books despite 2 of the four confessing to being on the program ? Allan, how very dare they cast aspersions, them nasty people !]

Yes - Peter you must have missed the story

Allan Wells furiously denies doping slur
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/11625979/Allan-Wells-furiously-denies-BBCs-doping-slur.html
Wells reacted furiously after receiving a letter from BBC Scotland journalist Mark Daly, who is conducting an investigation for the Panorama programme, alleging Wells and six other athletes were supplied with the banned steroid Stromba by James Ledingham, who was doctor to British Olympic sprinters at the Moscow Olympics.

So last I hear, Allan was suing Panorama. So let's vacate the seats we have sat in for over a decade waiting for
Ex British Athletics Head Coach Frank D i c k to sue the Times and pull up a chair to watch the fun as Wells sues the BBC.

[For a full resume of Frank **** please go here http://www.gordonpoole.com/Frank-***-OBE.aspx
Just seemed to have missed off all the connections to his partner in managing British Athletics Andy Norman and all the scandals that cling to what they did.]

Only Wells seems to have gone awful quiet. Last I heard a Scottish newspaper, after they had run lots of stories about "Wells denies", "Wells calls low-lifes who accuse him of doping of being jealous little trolls", "Wells accuses people of denigrating the very good, in fact near saintly Dr James Ledingham of being low life scum" offered Wells and one of his accusers, McMaster, to both go on a lie detector and be asked a load of questions. That seemed like a very good way of getting to the truth !

McMaster said "Yes"

and .............


Wells said "I have got some library books to change on that day".

And now, since he refused to go on the lie detector, Wells has gone all quiet.

Peter, perhaps you can tell us, when is Wells going to sue ? He has a tailwind and a slope behind him, surely it would be dead easy to put those pip-squeak BBC journalists in their place.

Alternatively you can offer me an apology and say - you know what Freddy, I never thought it was true about Allan Wells and the actual British Team Doctor being at the centre of it all and it being run out of Edinburgh - but I see you were right. It really does shed a different light on those Moscow and Los Angeles medals.

But of course you could just twist these words and invent some more stuff about what I wrote and then consume cyberspace pulling that apart, in order to sustain your personal belief system that wishes to exclude facts.

Tell me Peter - who was there at Meadowbank at the time with Jimmy Ledingham ? A clue is in the posting by others referencing Martin Vinnecombe. Does this person know Chris Hoy?

Hey Peter70, you even going to bother addressing this? It's been a day or two now

 

[The Carrot]

Chris Hoy's thighs are within the realms of what's achievable naturally (not sure about that German bloke's).

The French have 'called out' Jason Kenny though: http://www.theweek.co.uk/olympics/london-2012/48349/how-did-you-do-it-suspicious-french-cyclist-grills-jason-kenny

'Bauge replied through a translator: "So, if I understand you well, for the next four years you will just relax and then when it comes to Rio [the 2016 Olympics], bang." '

Bauge's prediction may well come true as our Jason does seem to be relaxing at the Europeans.

But as we saw in the Tdf, any criticism is written off as French jealously.

 

[blackcat]

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I think hoy cleans. definitely cleans.
ho ho ho

 

[bikenrrd]

Well, Bauge prepared for the 2012 Olympics by missing all his doping tests in 2011. So we know how Gregory prepared, and he still couldn't beat Kenny.
I think it's down to good clean living and the love of a good women.

 

[JimmyFingers]

However Kenny DOESN'T have big thighs, so it's anyone's guess.

 

[Benotti69]

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However Kenny DOESN'T have big thighs, so it's anyone's guess.

The best guess would be doping.

 

[JimmyFingers]

So if you have big thighs you are doping, and if you don't you are doping.

No wonder we go round and round in circles in this place

 

[Benotti69]

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So if you have big thighs you are doping, and if you don't you are doping.

No wonder we go round and round in circles in this place

obfuscate, obfuscate obfuscate.......repeat ad infinitum hey Jimmy.

Yeah so massive thighs in sprinting equals massive power, but when a guy with not so big thighs, almost normal, beats the massive thighs it is supposedly clean. When the massive thighs are PEDs how can Kenny beat that?

Doping is always the answer.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think the point was you can't tell from the size of thighs. At least that was the point meant to make, but apparently instead it obfuscation.

 

[Benotti69]

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I think the point was you can't tell from the size of thighs. At least that was the point meant to make, but apparently instead it obfuscation.

There are more than 1 point on why Hoy was not naturally winning golds. One was thigh size, not normal.

There are others but the obfuscation ignores that. Keep at it Jimmy. Doing wonders.

We gonna talk Jason Kenny? New thread please......

 

[JimmyFingers]

What were the other points, I must have missed them?

A Kenny thread? Ooh I wonder if it will be as informative as this one.

Small thighs.

Wins things.

 

[Benotti69]

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What were the other points, I must have missed them?

A Kenny thread? Ooh I wonder if it will be as informative as this one.

Small thighs.

Wins things.

Why ignore this?

Well, Bauge prepared for the 2012 Olympics by missing all his doping tests in 2011. So we know how Gregory prepared, and he still couldn't beat Kenny.
I think it's down to good clean living and the love of a good women.

Oh because it asks a hard question of Kenny. How did he beat a doper?

 

[Irondan]

If your going to start debating Jason Kenny, give him his own thread.

 

[Benotti69]

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If your going to start debating Jason Kenny, give him his own thread.

I did suggest that!

But the above post of mine also relates to Hoy. Hoy beat these guys with massive(not normal) thighs and then Kenny beats Hoy.

Clean living must be something in the UK

 

[del1962]

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Haha that much is abundantly clear. But you'll admit that there are no whispers, no innuendos, no suspicious blood values with Hoy. It makes debating his cleanliness a bit rhetorical. Personally I need a bit more meat to get stuck in, the biggest red flag for me with Sky for example is their association with Leinders for example, but with Hoy there's nothing. So it remains big thighs, won a lot, head may have changed shape, but probably didn't.

It is track racing Jimmy, why compare road racing stuff with track?

Hoy beat doping nations, Jimmy, that is a red flag.

Doping nations?

Which doping nations?

 

[King Boonen]

The discussions about muscle size are almost as ridiculous as the discussions about peoples heads.

Doesn't mean he wasn't doping though.

 

[Benotti69]

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Haha that much is abundantly clear. But you'll admit that there are no whispers, no innuendos, no suspicious blood values with Hoy. It makes debating his cleanliness a bit rhetorical. Personally I need a bit more meat to get stuck in, the biggest red flag for me with Sky for example is their association with Leinders for example, but with Hoy there's nothing. So it remains big thighs, won a lot, head may have changed shape, but probably didn't.

It is track racing Jimmy, why compare road racing stuff with track?

Hoy beat doping nations, Jimmy, that is a red flag.

Doping nations?

Which doping nations?

Russia
Germany
France
Belgium
Italy

 

[King Boonen]

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Haha that much is abundantly clear. But you'll admit that there are no whispers, no innuendos, no suspicious blood values with Hoy. It makes debating his cleanliness a bit rhetorical. Personally I need a bit more meat to get stuck in, the biggest red flag for me with Sky for example is their association with Leinders for example, but with Hoy there's nothing. So it remains big thighs, won a lot, head may have changed shape, but probably didn't.

It is track racing Jimmy, why compare road racing stuff with track?

Hoy beat doping nations, Jimmy, that is a red flag.

Doping nations?

Which doping nations?

Russia
Germany
France
Belgium
Italy