Cipollini: "Cavendish is fat"

[on3m@n@rmy]

Cippo left off the "s". It's faSt Mario, faSt.

 

[Trond Vidar]

google translate:
cavendish now attached to these

Anyone understand this...?

 

[Climbing]

google translate:
cavendish now attached to these

Bah you cannot translate that litterally.
It could be translated like "TODAY TAKE THESE!" and of course bananas are metaphoric representation of ... well you know.

 

[Cobblestones]

Ha, ok. Cavendish is hardly climbing like an aeroplane though.

Cavendish climbs precisely like an airplane

 

[Maxiton]

Anyone understand this...?

Is that guy in the middle Cavendish?

 

[Machu Picchu]

and people criticize German humour....

 

[Maxiton]

Not fully committed to the profession? At least Cav was never seen doing this on a bike.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Before or after dental surgery?

wahahahahha

 

[rhubroma]

Love Cipo but he is talking now just to hear himself. He still needs the attention. Cav will destroy Mario's records if he wants to and stays healthy in an era where the competition is much tougher than before.

Yea, but what perhaps what many people here don't realize, is that the little column in la Gazzetta dello Sport that Cipo writes is precisely about provocation.

His analysis are meant to be critical of what, he thinks, were the mistakes made by individual riders and the teams in terms of tactics and performance on the previous day's stage and the affairs of the Giro in general. He is good at it too. Often his comments are rather astute and he's pretty ruthless to one and all, though, conversely, distributes compliments when they are merited.

I doub't, however, Cav will destroy Cipo's achievments, whereas in the shear spectacle of watching a sprint and the moves made at times to find the right space to reach the line first, well, Mario is to Mark what university is to kindergarden.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yea, but what perhaps what many people here don't realize, is that the little column in la Gazzetta dello Sport that Cipo writes is precisely about provocation.

His analysis are meant to be critical of what, he thinks, were the mistakes made by individual riders and the teams in terms of tactics and performance on the previous day's stage and the affairs of the Giro in general. He is good at it too. Often his comments are rather astute and he's pretty ruthless to one and all, though, conversely, distributes compliments when they are merited.

I doub't, however, Cav will destroy Cipo's achievments, whereas in the shear spectacle of watching a sprint and the moves made at times to find the right space to reach the line first, well, Mario is to Mark what university is to kindergarden.

Because Cipo didn't have a train right

If Tom Steels had the same train then we'd be talking.

 

[will10]

OK so what does Cipo have on his palmares that Cav does not yet

41 Giro stages + 3 points jersey classements - Cav has 7 stages - very unlikely to beat that, even getting half of that total is a big ask. The Giro offered more chances for the sprinters when Cipo was racing: it has to be said.

12 Tour stages - Cav already has 15.

3 Vuelta stages - Cav also has 3 stages, and a green jersey.

3 x Gent Wevelgem - chances of Cav winning 3? Limited, but he should win it at least once in his career. Cipo also won E3 Prijs - Cav probably will never win that.

Milan San Remo - 1 each

Cipo has also won a fair more stages in "minor" races (Romandie, Paris Nice, Tirreno etc) than Cav. However Cav is not even 26 until Saturday.

The big difference of course is that Cipo was World Champion in 2002. I would argue that should Cav win the Worlds at some point in his career, you could judge his career at least as successful as Cipo's.

 

[El Pistolero]

OK so what does Cipo have on his palmares that Cav does not yet

41 Giro stages + 3 points jersey classements - Cav has 7 stages - very unlikely to beat that, even getting half of that total is a big ask.

12 Tour stages - Cav already has 15.

3 Vuelta stages - Cav also has 3 stages, and a green jersey.

3 x Gent Wevelgem - chances of Cav winning 3? Limited, but he should win it at least once in his career. Cipo also won E3 Prijs - Cav probably will never win that.

Milan San Remo - 1 each

Cipo has also won a fair more stages in "minor" races (Romandie, Paris Nice, Tirreno etc) than Cav. However Cav is not even 26 until Saturday.

The big difference of course is that Cipo was World Champion in 2002. I would argue that should Cav win the Worlds at some point in his career, you could judge his career at least as successful as Cipo's.

Cav will never win G-W

 

[rhubroma]

Because Cipo didn't have a train right

If Tom Steels had the same train then we'd be talking.

Naw. Steels wasn't bad, but I was talking about pure style. Cav is just so damn ugly to watch.

He looks like he's in a war with his bike, and those fat calves look just ridiculous as he grinds the pedals like a savage.

Cipo was to him, to put it vocally, what Pavarotti was to David Lee Roth.

 

[El Pistolero]

Naw. Steels wasn't bad, but I was talking about pure style. Cav is just so damn ugly to watch.

He looks like he's in a war with his bike, and those fat calves look just ridiculous as he grinds the pedals like a savage.

Cipo was to him, to put it vocally, what Pavarotti was to David Lee Roth.

Oh yes, totally true. It's like comparing Contador's climbing style with Rujano or Evans.

 

[will10]

Cav will never win G-W

Why not.

 

[El Pistolero]

Why not.

They changed the course. 35km longer with more hills in the final.

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Naw. Steels wasn't bad, but I was talking about pure style. Cav is just so damn ugly to watch.

He looks like he's in a war with his bike, and those fat calves look just ridiculous as he grinds the pedals like a savage.

Cipo was to him, to put it vocally, what Pavarotti was to David Lee Roth.

I disagree, his aero position doesn't look ugly at all...
grinds his pedals like a savage, you must be talking about Tom Boonen? Now that's what I call an ugly sprinter

 

[El Oso]

OK so what does Cipo have on his palmares that Cav does not yet

41 Giro stages + 3 points jersey classements - Cav has 7 stages - very unlikely to beat that, even getting half of that total is a big ask. The Giro offered more chances for the sprinters when Cipo was racing: it has to be said.

12 Tour stages - Cav already has 15.

3 Vuelta stages - Cav also has 3 stages, and a green jersey.

3 x Gent Wevelgem - chances of Cav winning 3? Limited, but he should win it at least once in his career. Cipo also won E3 Prijs - Cav probably will never win that.

Milan San Remo - 1 each

Cipo has also won a fair more stages in "$h!t small" races (Romandie, Paris Nice, Tirreno etc) than Cav. However Cav is not even 26 until Saturday.

The big difference of course is that Cipo was World Champion in 2002. I would argue that should Cav win the Worlds at some point in his career, you could judge his career at least as successful as Cipo's.

Fixed it for you

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Fixed it for you

I see what you did there and

 

[Angliru]

OK so what does Cipo have on his palmares that Cav does not yet

41 Giro stages + 3 points jersey classements - Cav has 7 stages - very unlikely to beat that, even getting half of that total is a big ask. The Giro offered more chances for the sprinters when Cipo was racing: it has to be said.

12 Tour stages - Cav already has 15.

3 Vuelta stages - Cav also has 3 stages, and a green jersey.

3 x Gent Wevelgem - chances of Cav winning 3? Limited, but he should win it at least once in his career. Cipo also won E3 Prijs - Cav probably will never win that.

Milan San Remo - 1 each

Cipo has also won a fair more stages in "minor" races (Romandie, Paris Nice, Tirreno etc) than Cav. However Cav is not even 26 until Saturday.

The big difference of course is that Cipo was World Champion in 2002. I would argue that should Cav win the Worlds at some point in his career, you could judge his career at least as successful as Cipo's.

What is the argument here? I thought that primarily people were questioning Cipollini's credentials in being creditable in being able to critique today's sprinters. Since he has a forum by which he is expected to do so and undoubtedly has the credentials all that is left is whether one agrees with what he says or not. It's not a matter of comparing Cav and Cipo's palmares.
Cav himself would no doubt admit that he is still learning and gaining experience as a sprinter. Mario has been there and definitely done that.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Cipo says you're fat,
Well, I ain't down with that.

Sir Mix-a-lot hearts Cav.

 

[will10]

They changed the course. 35km longer with more hills in the final.

Was a sprint of 50 guys this year. And who's to say they won't change it back?

It's not a matter of comparing Cav and Cipo's palmares.

It's a thread about Cav and Cipo - why not compare their palmares?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Cav will never win G-W

exactly. cipo was more complete than cavendish and was a way bigger star it's not just about palmares but about legacy. people now and in 30 years will remember chiapucchi who never won a gt more than gotti who won 2 giro's

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Why not.

because cav sucks on cobbles. cipo even did a top ten in tour of flanders I believe

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

because cav sucks on cobbles. cipo even did a top ten in tour of flanders I believe

9th, when he was 35, so Cav has 9 years to match him. Of course, he probably won't on that race, but his palmares is going to stand up perfectly well whenever he decides he can't be arsed any more (presumably a little earlier than the current trend for Italian patriachs - poor Guardini must be terrified by the prospect of 17 years getting dropped on climbs).