Circ

[sniper]

What was that?

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1429469&postcount=1686

 

[peloton]

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1429469&postcount=1686

Thanks, del too.

Interesting times...

 

[pastronef]

Thanks, del too.

Interesting times...

have we got any info if some former Rabobank riders and DSs spoke to Circ?

 

[mrhender]

CIRC report due within weeks

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/02/news/circ-report-due-within-weeks_360496

Countdown.....

UCI officials confirmed to VeloNews that the Cycling Independent Reform Commission (CIRC) will deliver its report by early in March at the latest, if not by late February as scheduled.

Officials also confirmed the UCI would "publish the report in full" soon after an official announcement.

They have also said there will no interviews or public comment before the official release of the report, but speculation is growing about just what the CIRC report will reveal.

 

[mrhender]

ADD following suit...

http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/2015-02-10-dopingrapporten-er-paa-trapperne

CIRC report will be in genereral terms?

The Danish doping report will soon be published. It is clear by the International Cycling Union (UCI) has established timing for a large and comprehensive international doping report, which influence the Danish doping work.

The report is said to have far-reaching consequences for both past and present people in cycling. Also in Danish perspective, the international report interest. Anti Doping Denmark and Sports Confederation of Denmark (DIF) have held meetings and provided information back and forth with the CIRC, and therefore there is a consistency in the reports.
- It is our hope that the two reports are not published for a long time apart. I do not know how fast we can reach it, but we are aware that their report comes at the beginning of March and we coordinate with them, says Morten Moelholm, Development DIF and board member of Anti Doping Denmark.

ADD and DIF has interviewed a number of people in cycling both nationally and internationally, and it is clear that the testimony will form the basis of the report. But there can be raised doping cases to Danes with respect to doping is not known.

- When creating a report based on testimony, so we must continuously obtain approvals on it. And we are a long way, but we are still waiting for the final, says Moelholm.
Morten Moelholm has held meetings with the CIRC, which admittedly have not told him everything yet.

- I have an impression that circs report will be about more general things. There are two things, it will focus on, and one is how to improve the sport of cycling in general, instead of looking so much on individual cases. The second part is looking at UCI own role in it all, says Moelholm, who have shared relevant information with CIRC.

 

[sniper]

ADD following suit...

http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/2015-02-10-dopingrapporten-er-paa-trapperne

CIRC report will be in genereral terms?

must say all this friendly cooperation between Circ and ADD doesn't smell right.
I see plenty of motivation for them to make their reports as cycling/UCI-friendly as possible and sweep a thing or two under the carpet.
I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[D-Queued]

must say all this friendly cooperation between Circ and ADD doesn't smell right.
I see plenty of motivation for them to make their reports as cycling/UCI-friendly as possible and sweep a thing or two under the carpet.
I hope they prove me wrong.

If they prove you wrong, then they will double prove you wrong given your stance on Cookson and that CIRC is his creation.

Just saying.

I hope they prove you wrong 'cuz I wanna believe in something positive from the cesspit.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

If they prove you wrong, then they will double prove you wrong given your stance on Cookson and that CIRC is his creation.

Just saying.

I hope they prove you wrong 'cuz I wanna believe in something positive from the cesspit.

Dave.

CIRC is UCI funded, that's a fact.
Cookson is complicit in doping, that's my assumption (and i think it's fairly obvious) based mainly on his preferential treatment of Sky (Froome TUE, Henao, Ollie, threats at JTL) and the fact he didn't fire or investigate Zorzoli prior to the USADA file on Lienders.

So yes, I would have preferred ADD to operate more independently here.

 

[D-Queued]

CIRC is UCI funded, that's a fact.
Cookson is complicit in doping, that's my assumption (and i think it's fairly obvious) based mainly on his preferential treatment of Sky (Froome TUE, Henao, Ollie, threats at JTL) and the fact he didn't fire or investigate Zorzoli prior to the USADA file on Lienders.

So yes, I would have preferred ADD to operate more independently here.

Zorzoli has been, is and will be an interesting case.

Doping facilitator, doping order-follower, or wild card that may be anti-doping's secret weapon?

There appears to be evidence of at least two of those.

In which case, his story could yet prove to be the most interesting of all.

After all, to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs and he might have had to cut corners and follow orders to keep his job while actually moving anti-doping forward.

Even in the worst (best?) case where he may have been doping agent #1, it will still be a fascinating story. Maybe every so often he did something good so he could keep doing something bad.

Dave.

 

[peloton]

CIRC is UCI funded, that's a fact.
Cookson is complicit in doping, that's my assumption (and i think it's fairly obvious) based mainly on his preferential treatment of Sky (Froome TUE, Henao, Ollie, threats at JTL) and the fact he didn't fire or investigate Zorzoli prior to the USADA file on Lienders.

So yes, I would have preferred ADD to operate more independently here.

ADD has done the investigation for 3 years now. A ruling was expected 2 years ago.
Remember both Dave Z and VdV said in the USADA file they stopped doping in -06, not sure what dirt ADD can dig up after that, timewise for a ban?

 

[sniper]

Zorzoli has been, is and will be an interesting case.

Doping facilitator, doping order-follower, or wild card that may be anti-doping's secret weapon?

There appears to be evidence of at least two of those.

In which case, his story could yet prove to be the most interesting of all.

After all, to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs and he might have had to cut corners and follow orders to keep his job while actually moving anti-doping forward.

Even in the worst (best?) case where he may have been doping agent #1, it will still be a fascinating story. Maybe every so often he did something good so he could keep doing something bad.

Dave.

your glass is often half full where others would say it's half empty.
I appreciate that.

And agreed, no doubt Zorzoli is/has been a decent politician.

 

[neineinei]

Zorzoli has been, is and will be an interesting case.

Doping facilitator, doping order-follower, or wild card that may be anti-doping's secret weapon?

There appears to be evidence of at least two of those.

In which case, his story could yet prove to be the most interesting of all.

After all, to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs and he might have had to cut corners and follow orders to keep his job while actually moving anti-doping forward.

Even in the worst (best?) case where he may have been doping agent #1, it will still be a fascinating story. Maybe every so often he did something good so he could keep doing something bad.

Dave.

Please Zorzoli, spill the beans. I'll buy the book (digital version + hardcover), watch the movie and buy the de luxe Blue-ray. Please, please.

 

[D-Queued]

your glass is often half full where others would say it's half empty.
I appreciate that.

And agreed, no doubt Zorzoli is/has been a decent politician.

And I thought I was a die hard hater!

Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

Please Zorzoli, spill the beans. I'll buy the book (digital version + hardcover), watch the movie and buy the de luxe Blue-ray. Please, please.

Wouldn't it be great if he was the UCI's version of White House Counsel John Dean?

(yes, I am a crazy optimist)

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Wouldn't it be great if he was the UCI's version of White House Counsel John Dean?

(yes, I am a crazy optimist)

Dave.

You know, they could give McQuaid and Verbruggen a worldwide perp walk if they did it right.

We'd have to hit the lottery for that.

 

[mrhender]

UCI pass Zorzoli investigation to CIRC

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-pass-zorzoli-investigation-to-circ

Former UCI scientific advisor removed from anti-doping role

We have investigated the allegations made against Mario Zorzoli in the Geert Leinders case, [and] gathered the relevant information we have and shared it with the CIRC, a UCI spokesperson told Cyclingnews on Friday.

The UCI today went on to say that Zorzoli had not been officially suspended but rather, asked not to do any work on anti-doping matters, pursue his other activities. The UCI will not make any further comment for now.

Hmm.. Has he ever been involved in anti-doping matters

Also I like that the fact that they only asked him... He must have immense power in that system...
As sugested before, he may be the key to UCI downfall.. Better treat him good...

 

[Rollthedice]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-pass-zorzoli-investigation-to-circ



Hmm.. Has he ever been involved in anti-doping matters

"his other activities", that's a good one.

 

[mrhender]

"his other activities", that's a good one.

Yes indeed.. that spokesman won't be up for promotion any time soon

 

[sniper]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-pass-zorzoli-investigation-to-circ



Hmm.. Has he ever been involved in anti-doping matters

lol, good one.

how has he not been suspended?
and how is CIRC not demanding Zorzoli be investigated by a UCI-independent body or person?
the answers to the above are so obvious that one wonders:
FFS, HOW IS THE PRESS NOT ALL OVER THE UCI AND COOKSON

 

[mrhender]

lol, good one.

how has he not been suspended?
and how is CIRC not demanding Zorzoli be investigated by a UCI-independent body or person?
the answers to the above are so obvious that one wonders:
FFS, HOW IS THE PRESS NOT ALL OVER THE UCI AND COOKSON

Actually I don't think Cookson is calling the shots..
A system is not persitently rotten only because of the current leader...

My guess is he's fanboy as suggested by freddythefrog.. He might even think that he's doing some good but a lot of people might lose their jobs or worse, if he's walking the talk/being successful.. So he is allowed his PR-campaingn and 3 million euro investigations resulting in general reccomendations rather than individual case-handling... My guess would be that ADD who is practically working in their spare-time might be the only ones actuallay opening cases upon their investigations.. Not that any of this reflects well on Cookson of course.. I just think his aspirations are ower-shadowed by larger forces... I guess we will know more in a couple of weeks -or maybe not...

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-pass-zorzoli-investigation-to-circ



Hmm.. Has he ever been involved in anti-doping matters

Also I like that the fact that they only asked him... He must have immense power in that system...
As sugested before, he may be the key to UCI downfall.. Better treat him good...

Zorzoli, like Saugy, actually generates similar 'research.'. Cleanest peloton ever, nobody is doing more for anti-doping.

I was surprised they are actually doing something publicly.

I agree. They have to be careful with him...

 

[thehog]

lol, good one.

how has he not been suspended?
and how is CIRC not demanding Zorzoli be investigated by a UCI-independent body or person?
the answers to the above are so obvious that one wonders:
FFS, HOW IS THE PRESS NOT ALL OVER THE UCI AND COOKSON

The man who knew too much.

If he was writing express TUEs for Dawg best keep Zorzoli chilled on ice for a few weeks then draft him back into play. Wouldn't want Zorzoli telling his story to anyone.

 

[thehog]

"his other activities", that's a good one.

It couldn't be any funnier. Cookson the brave new face of anti-doping! LOL!

 

[mrhender]

Cookson talks

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/feb/21/uci-brian-cookson-circ-doping-report-uncomfortable

UCI president Brian Cookson warns of uncomfortable new doping report

When you open a can of worms you find a lot of worms, Cookson said at the world track cycling championships in Paris this week. I think it's going to be very interesting - there will be a lot of uncomfortable things there.

I think there will be a lot of uncomfortable reading in it and we should all prepare ourselves for that. That was always going to be part of what was going to happen. I don't think there will be a lot of new revelations, because mostly we have a good idea of what was happening and how widespread the problems were. I don't think there's any other sport has opened itself up to this level of scrutiny. It's something I committed to and I'm proud we've done, it will be uncomfortable but it will be a good lesson that other sports can learn from as well.

We've committed to publishing the report that they give us. We're not going to get into a FIFA-type situation of arguing about the report. Give us something we can put into the public domain when you give it to us.

Unless there are legal reasons why names can't be named, they will be named, added Cookson. We can draw conclusions from lack of contributions as much as positive contributions. There may have to be some redactions, equally we may be in a position to take action against people named by more than one source as having done something against the regulations.

I don't envisage there will be unrealistic suggestions; the commission members will make recommendations that should be possible to implement. We may scratch our heads about how to do it but I don't think they will propose anything outrageous.

Cookson added that one area in which he hopes the CIRC will give guidance is where it comes to deciding who is a fit and proper person to be involved in running a professional cycling team. If you look, many teams employ riders or directeurs sportifs who have had association [with dopers] or a direct [doping] sanction. I do have sympathy for those who say, I've done my time, I should have a degree of redemption. What's different is the degree of plausibiilty of those apologies and genuine feelings of contrition. What I'd like to get out of the CIRC is more guidance about a fit and proper person test [and] if we need to add conditions in the licencing process.

 

[bobbins]

Fit and proper !!!!


Well let's hope he has a close look at the person who employed Shane Sutton. There's somebody who fits the description "not a fit and proper person" straight off.

Compared to Brian Smith he's a saint!