Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian 30 July 2011 234km

[on3m@n@rmy]

Well two second places behind Gilbert are nice too.

It shows you were the best after the unbeatable one

You have a point there. The temptation is to believe that nobody remembers who finishes in second place. But Poulidor proved that notion wrong.

 

[El Pistolero]

Well two second places behind Gilbert are nice too.

It shows you were the best after the unbeatable one

A second place in the Vuelta behind VDB2 is cool too

World Tour points are always nice though.

But I don't think Gilbert will be in super shape anymore in the fall season. Good enough to win perhaps, but with the possibility to lose(Gilbert has those days that he knows he'll win when he's at the start line)

 

[El Pistolero]

You have a point there. The temptation is to believe that nobody remembers who finishes in second place. But Poulidor proved that notion wrong.

And in the movie Overcoming they also think second place is important

 

[auscyclefan94]

I wonder if there is even a remote chance Gilbert will not win Quebec and Montreal. These races are really tailor made for him from. Great races last year. But probably 2 easy ones for Gilbert this year.

In Quebec a late powerful attack is enough on the short 500m hills. And the sprint is uphill as well. (but I expect Gilbert will be solo like Voeckler)

And in Montreal the 2km hill might be in the beginning of the round, but if Gesink can attack, drop everyone and solo to the finish, sure as hell Gilbert can too.
And again, the sprint is slightly uphill, so even if he is in a group he is unbeatable there.

Cadel Evans???

Anyway, awesome win by Gilbert again. GVA must of surprised a few people on this forum to get third.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

What's with Evans? In a Tour where recuperation plays a role he can get a win yes.

But against a fit Gilbert even Evans stands no chance on that kind of course ACF. Even you have to see that

 

[auscyclefan94]

What's with Evans? In a Tour where recuperation plays a role he can get a win yes.

But against a fit Gilbert even Evans stands no chance on that kind of course ACF. Even you have to see that

I more meant him as one of the main challengers, he would certainly be 2nd in line for the win in Canada.

EDIT: It is my personal opinion that Evans would of beaten Gilbert in Fleche this year.

 

[cineteq]

I wonder if there is even a remote chance Gilbert will not win Quebec and Montreal. These races are really tailor made for him from. Great races last year. But probably 2 easy ones for Gilbert this year.

In Quebec a late powerful attack is enough on the short 500m hills. And the sprint is uphill as well. (but I expect Gilbert will be solo like Voeckler)

And in Montreal the 2km hill might be in the beginning of the round, but if Gesink can attack, drop everyone and solo to the finish, sure as hell Gilbert can too.
And again, the sprint is slightly uphill, so even if he is in a group he is unbeatable there.

I can see him winning Quebec, but not Montreal. An if he does, he's then GOD.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I more meant him as one of the main challengers, he would certainly be 2nd in line for the win in Canada.

EDIT: It is my personal opinion that Evans would of beaten Gilbert in Fleche this year.

I use their performances relative to Joaquím Rodríguez as a yardstick since he was 2nd both years. Therefore Gilbert 2011 > Evans 2010 on the Mur.

 

[AussieGoddess]

I was out so couldnt watch

But once again Phil OWNS the world

He wants to be world no 1 .... and he still needs a few wins to get there, so expect more like this from him

 

[El Pistolero]

I can see him winning Quebec, but not Montreal. An if he does, he's then GOD.

You have a strange definition of god.

No one would be surprised if Phil won there.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I more meant him as one of the main challengers, he would certainly be 2nd in line for the win in Canada.

EDIT: It is my personal opinion that Evans would of beaten Gilbert in Fleche this year.

Even knowing that Gilbert did the climb 10 second faster than when Evans won it?? LOL

 

[Dedelou]

You have a strange definition of god.

No one would be surprised if Phil won there.

Too bad he is not listed for Montreal.. But I like to imagine him winning

 

[l.Harm]

Hmm I read several times he'll ride Quebec and Montreal.

 

[El Pistolero]

Too bad he is not listed for Montreal.. But I like to imagine him winning

he said he'll do both. You'd have to be pretty stupid to go to Canada and only race on of them anyway.

 

[cineteq]

You have a strange definition of god.

No one would be surprised if Phil won there.

I live in Montreal, I know the course...The last uphill is more like a flat. I don't think the teams are going allow this time around what happened last year with Gesink...

It will suit better a power sprinter like Greipel.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I find hilarious that you still don't understand JV's tactics LOL!!!

I can only assume you can't read, cause this makes no sense to me.

was JV meant to get thor to chase his own team mate

LOL!!!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Even knowing that Gilbert did the climb 10 second faster than when Evans won it?? LOL

10 seconds faster? Anyway, you can't necessarily compare it from year to year. The race was more of a mano-a-mano in 2010 in comparison to 2011 of which it was quite bunched up until Gilbert went but even then it still stayed quite bunched amongst the others. Many of the teams played into Gilber'ts hands with their hands on the Mur because they were too scared to go early. In 2010 there were many more climbers who finished higher up were as that was not quite the case in 2011 Fleche.

 

[theyoungest]

I live in Montreal, I know the course...The last uphill is more like a flat. I don't think the teams are going allow this time around what happened last year with Gesink...

It will suit better a power sprinter like Greipel.

How could the teams have prevented Gesink's attack? By boxing him in?

Last year Sagan or EBH could have won, sans Gesink, I don't know if either of them will be there but that's the sort of rider who could win this. And Gilbert, of course.

 

[Lanark]

I live in Montreal, I know the course...The last uphill is more like a flat. I don't think the teams are going allow this time around what happened last year with Gesink...

It will suit better a power sprinter like Greipel.

Lol, what 'teams'? The field was completely splintered in the last lap. Gilbert has a 90% chance to win these both races, maybe Boasson Hagen can beat him in the sprint, I assume Sagan is going to do the Vuelta.

 

[greenedge]

Great win by Gilbert. Surprising by Barredo and nice work by GVA i knew you could do it.
Cunego non-existent and so was Andy. Velits and Porte not going as well as expected. I expected JROD to attack more, he probably did not have the legs. Great ride by JV ( OPL ) i would have loved for him to win.


Sagan will probably win Montreal.

 

[jens_attacks]

Cunego non-existent and so was Andy.

he was in a pub

 

[Kvinto]

Sagan will probably win Montreal.

Sagan will surely do Vuelta which finish on September, 11 - the day when Montreal holds this year. To appear in the Canadian races Sagan should abandon Vuelta before the second rest day (September, 5).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sagan will surely do Vuelta which finish on September, 11 - the day when Montreal holds this year. To appear in the Canadian races Sagan should abandon Vuelta before the second rest day (September, 5).

Thought you weren't allowed to enter races going on during a race you were already appearing in. Hence he could abandon the Vuelta by then, sure, but wouldn't be allowed to line up at the start in Canada as the Vuelta was still going on.

 

[Kvinto]

Thought you weren't allowed to enter races going on during a race you were already appearing in. Hence he could abandon the Vuelta by then, sure, but wouldn't be allowed to line up at the start in Canada as the Vuelta was still going on.

Ohh, I didn't know that. Thanks!

 

[Lanark]

Thought you weren't allowed to enter races going on during a race you were already appearing in. Hence he could abandon the Vuelta by then, sure, but wouldn't be allowed to line up at the start in Canada as the Vuelta was still going on.

Did the rules change? It used to be possible, but you needed permission from the organisors of the race you abandoned (in this case, the Vuelta), usually they didn't make a big deal out of it if someone had to abandon because of a crash or a hors delais or something.