Clean teams in the current peloton.

[dlwssonic]

Who do you guys think are some of the clean teams in the peloton.
For me garmin certainly seem clean.
I like to think BMC, Rabobank, saxobank, FDJ and Greenedge are clean teams.

 

[Caruut]

Who do you guys think are some of the clean teams in the peloton.
For me garmin certainly seem clean.
I like to think BMC, Rabobank, saxobank, FDJ are clean teams.

BMC: Ballan, Santabrogio, Rihs, Hincapie, Gilbert
Rabobank: dodgy history for sure
Saxo: Managed by Riis and the star rider is Contador - you kidding me?
FdJ: don't know much about them, maybe they are okay
Garmin: probably pretty clean

 

[Don Quixote]

I once thought they were all clean; before the Clinic opened mine eyes.

Since, I realise they are all covered in FILTH.

Witch hunt yea, say not in jest ye hoompadinggas.

 

[Netserk]

FDJ is the most credible team IMO (of the ProTeams that is).
2nd Garmin.
Rest: not so much (again of the ProTeams)

 

[dlwssonic]

BMC: Ballan, Santabrogio, Rihs, Hincapie, Gilbert
Rabobank: dodgy history for sure
Saxo: Managed by Riis and the star rider is Contador - you kidding me?
FdJ: don't know much about them, maybe they are okay
Garmin: probably pretty clean

The riders you mentioned for BMC all have been accused of doping in their past teams.
BMC currently seem like a pretty clean team to me.
And since when has Gilbert been involved in any doping investigation?

 

[clydesdale]

By clean do you mean no doping program, do you mean every member is clean, or simple what teams have the highest percentage of clean riders?

I have faith in Garmin not having a doping program. Others as well but it starts with them. That is not to say I think every member of the team is clean. That probably isn't true for any team.

 

[Netserk]

The riders you mentioned for BMC all have been accused of doping in their past teams.
BMC currently seem like a pretty clean team to me.
And since when has Gilbert been involved in any doping investigation?

BMC = Phonak 2.0

 

[The Chicken]

Is this a joke? Where is the 'none' option?

 

[Netserk]

Is this a joke? Where is the 'none' option?

+1

I voted as in 'cleanish', as I don't think there's any totally clean teams.

 

[Aleajactaest]

BMC: Ballan, Santabrogio, Rihs, Hincapie, Gilbert
Rabobank: dodgy history for sure
Saxo: Managed by Riis and the star rider is Contador - you kidding me?
FdJ: don't know much about them, maybe they are okay
Garmin: probably pretty clean

That's some weird analysis. Riis == JV both dopers, same logic should apply.

BMC has lots of dopers == Garmin, lots of dopers.

Explain the difference? Has JV just done better PR?

 

[Don Quixote]

Is this a joke? Where is the 'none' option?

+2

What is this 10 chars business?

 

[the asian]

FDJ, Garmin & Ag2R. I am fairly confident that they are not facilitating doping.

 

[ebandit]

sky high

did i miss the sky option? after all sky have a clean policy

no vote from myself................don't believe that any of the teams are completely clean

only clean enough not to get noticed

 

[dlwssonic]

did i miss the sky option? after all sky have a clean policy

no vote from myself................don't believe that any of the teams are completely clean

only clean enough not to get noticed

Sky??
Haha I wonder how long is it before they trip the wire.

 

[cineteq]

did i miss the sky option? after all sky have a clean policy

Right. If Saxo is there, then Sky should've been there.

 

[argyllflyer]

FDJ, Garmin & Ag2R. I am fairly confident that they are not facilitating doping.

Yet Madiot helped drum his rider Bassons out the sport for breaking the omerta?

 

[MellowJohnny]

Saxobank, Are you kidding me, with the Riis Contador connection, Rabobank I'm pretty sure are dodgy,

BMC - I doubt it to no one has mentioned Thor Hushvod yet in all of this

 

[hiero2]

Yet Madiot helped drum his rider Bassons out the sport for breaking the omerta?

True - and Madiot had some association or problem because of association with doping in the past - but I think he isn't doing it now. Of course I could be wrong, but France has been so down on doping. So, I voted for FdJ.

did i miss the sky option? after all sky have a clean policy

no vote from myself................don't believe that any of the teams are completely clean

only clean enough not to get noticed

Did you see that link somewhere else about all the stuff the guys take NORMALLY? That is supposed to be all legal? Clean enough not to get noticed is a very grey border.
Here's the link: http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1018/Wielrennen/article/detail/2190779/2008/07/23/Tour-de-France-76-pillen-per-dag.dhtml?redirected

I'm still voting Sky as "clean". Meaning WADA legal. Doesn't mean my skepticism has been buried, just dialed back. Voted as "other".

BMC.
Garmin.

 

[the asian]

Yet Madiot helped drum his rider Bassons out the sport for breaking the omerta?

That was way back in 1999.

Current French teams are quite different, although is it more due to tough French law that there own design is anybody's guess.

 

[Caruut]

That's some weird analysis. Riis == JV both dopers, same logic should apply.

BMC has lots of dopers == Garmin, lots of dopers.

Explain the difference? Has JV just done better PR?

Riis, as a DS, has had quite a few riders either test positive or go on to test positive. Tyler, Basso, Frank and Jaksche come to mind. This hasn't happened to JV, apart from Alex Rasmussen and frankly that's just because the guy is an idiot.

BMC are much the same organisation as the now-infamous Phonak team, why would I expect them to have changed their spots without mentioning it to anyone? Garmin are an entirely new venture set up with one purpose. Do I have absolute faith in them? Of course not, and there are individuals I remain suspicious of on JV's team, but overall I have much more faith in them than in BMC.

Oh and Gilbert was allegedly warned over his blood profiles last year and of course the legendary doc Jose Ibarguren was with Lotto in 2010-2011, having come from Ricco-era Saunier Duval before moving onto the spring's biggest hit, OPQS.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Voted Garmin. Mostly b/c JV speech here (in the clinic) and there (RD/Fed).
The Q is how long can they stand it once gene doping brings massive advantages as Epo/Extra-Blood did. May we´ll see clean(ish) cycling for 5 more years. After that (gene doping starting to flourish) all hope is lost, forever.

So enjoy it while you can.

 

[mycenos]

Riis, as a DS, has had quite a few riders either test positive or go on to test positive. Tyler, Basso, Frank and Jaksche come to mind. ...

Plus Riis set up Hamilton with Fuentes (and allegedly took Frank Schleck to meet him in Madrid), and his team staff facilitated doping:

...as is customary, the riders were given a brief window of time after being notified to produce themselves to be tested. It's not a lot of time, but it's enough to get an intravenous bag of saline we called a speed bag which lowered the hematocrit by about three points. This is where the soigneurs and team doctors really earn their money: they're constantly on standby, in case they're needed. CSC's crew was as good as Postal's. One speed bag later, I was back in the safe zone. It's a team sport. --Chapter 11, The Secret Race

I doubt there have ever been speed bags at Garmin.

 

[hrotha]

That's some weird analysis. Riis == JV both dopers, same logic should apply.

BMC has lots of dopers == Garmin, lots of dopers.

Explain the difference? Has JV just done better PR?

Well, to the best of my knowledge JV hasn't sent anyone to Fuentes, unlike Riis.

edit: too slow. Oh well, I'll take this chance to add some more content then.
Not all dopers are the same. Paul Kimmage was a doper.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I voted for all

 

[Lexman]

FDJ, Garmin & Ag2R. I am fairly confident that they are not facilitating doping.

FDJ has Madiot as DS which says it all

and AG2R has just Houanard who tested positive...