CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

[Robert5091]

Still no new date for the docs case to come up at the GMC. Very busy people you know.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Still no new date for the docs case to come up at the GMC. Very busy people you know.

Along with UKAD going to sleep... again

 

[samhocking]

There was an MPTS press release the other week:

‘We continue to liaise with both the GMC [General Medical Council] and Dr. Freeman’s legal representatives about their preparations for the case, and remain in close contact with parties as part of the ongoing case management process’, wrote an MPTS spokesperson in an email. ‘We do not confirm hearing dates until a notice of hearing has been issued to the doctor. This usually takes place no later than 28 days before the start of the hearing.’

Looking at MPTS's 150 odd hearings so far this year, the following 7 hearings are all in similar state to Freeman's so not unusual.

Dr Katy MCALLISTER
Hearing sat: 25 Mar- 3 Apr 2019.
Outcome: Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal August.

Dr Thaier ALTAII
Hearing date: 07 May
OutcomeL Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal. (No new date)

Dr Matthew GOODCHILD-SIMPSON
Hearing date: 26th Mar
Outcome: Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal (No new date)

Dr Giovanni USSIA
Hearing date: 4th Mar
Outcome: Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal (No new date)

Dr Richard FREEMAN
Hearing date: 6th Feb
Outcome: Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal (No new date)

Dr Olanrewaju OLADIPO
Hearing date: 12th Feb
Outcome: Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal (No new date)

Dr Christopher OBASI
Hearing date: 15th Feb
Outcome: Hearing adjourned to a new Tribunal (No new date)

Dr Raied HARIS
Hearing date: 14th Jan
Adjourned - Part-heard

 

[Zebadeedee]

The GMC is yet another supposedly independent body rooted in bias towards its own profession. It's like one of those police force professional standards departments, ha ha!

 

[samhocking]

Not sure about that. It's just a timely process. 6 months is not unusual for new dates to be set. Freeman's was only adjourned to a new tribunal 3 months ago. e.g

Dr Alan LEES
Hearing: 11th Jun 2018
Adjourned to new Tribunal: 14th Jun 2018
New Tribunal set: 28th Jan 2019
Summary of outcome: Erasure 7th Feb 2019

 

[Zebadeedee]

Delay and the passage of time will erode any relevance this hearing may have. It's the way the system works.

 

[MartinGT]

Not sure about that. It's just a timely process. 6 months is not unusual for new dates to be set. Freeman's was only adjourned to a new tribunal 3 months ago. e.g

Dr Alan LEES
Hearing: 11th Jun 2018
Adjourned to new Tribunal: 14th Jun 2018
New Tribunal set: 28th Jan 2019
Summary of outcome: Erasure 7th Feb 2019

Man, I would love to go see them, my fave band ever!

 

[macbindle]

Re:

Delay and the passage of time will erode any relevance this hearing may have. It's the way the system works.

It's a GMC hearing, not an anti-doping hearing. What 'system' do you think this is a part of?

Why on earth do you think a GMC which is bothering to charge Freeman would be keen to acquit him?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Dont expect to see anything anytime soon. It's all tied up.

Honey, he's home! Freeman circus set to restart on October 28.

Get yer popcorn! Get yer popcorn!

The medical tribunal hearing concerning former British Cycling and Team Sky doctor, Richard Freeman, has been rescheduled to take place between October 28 and December 20, having been adjourned earlier this year.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

That'll be a plot to divert the nation's attention away from Brexit...

 

[fmk_RoI]

That'll be a plot to divert the nation's attention away from Brexit...

Paul Radcliffe said it was meant to distract attention away from Mo Farah's links to Nike.

BTW, has anyone notice how close Paul Radcliffe is to Ineos boss Jim Ratcliffe? I think the DCMS should investigate...

 

[MartinGT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1189149987319488514

View: https://twitter.com/Lawton_Times/status/1189149987319488514?s=20

 

[MatParker117]

Before anyone gets too excited, thanks to that laptop robbery the GMC has little way of tying it to a specific rider. Plus the Statue of limitations has expired based on this case related to clenbutarol from the 2008 Olympics

Statute of limitations prevents further analysis of Beijing 2008 samples for clenbuterol - Sports Integrity Initiative

The International Olympic Committee’s (IOC) Statute of Limitations will prevent any further analysis from being carried out on samples taken at the Beijing 2008 Olympics to ascertain if low levels of clenbuterol were caused by food contamination or doping. On 2 April, an ARD investigation...

www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com

 

[JRanton]

Before anyone gets too excited, thanks to that laptop robbery the GMC has little way of tying it to a specific rider. Plus the Statue of limitations has expired based on this case related to clenbutarol from the 2008 Olympics

Statute of limitations prevents further analysis of Beijing 2008 samples for clenbuterol - Sports Integrity Initiative

The International Olympic Committee’s (IOC) Statute of Limitations will prevent any further analysis from being carried out on samples taken at the Beijing 2008 Olympics to ascertain if low levels of clenbuterol were caused by food contamination or doping. On 2 April, an ARD investigation...

www.sportsintegrityinitiative.com

Seems like they have no evidence at all that the delivery was intended for a rider. Sutton is denying all knowledge of the delivery whilst Freeman says the Testogel was to be used by Sutton himself.

 

[F_Cance]

Plus the Statue of limitations has expired

what a coincidence that this thing got delayed and delayed...

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The former British Cycling and Team Sky doctor Richard Freeman will admit to telling “a lot of lies” and ordering the banned supplement testosterone, an independent medical tribunal heard on Tuesday.

Former Team Sky doctor Richard Freeman to admit he told ‘a lot of lies’

The former British Cycling and Team Sky doctor Richard Freeman will admit to telling ‘a lot of lies’ and ordering the banned supplement testosterone, an independent medical tribunal has heard

www.theguardian.com

 

[fmk_RoI]

Plus the Statue of limitations has expired based on this case related to clenbutarol from the 2008 Olympics

The SoL is a lot more flexible than you seem to realise.

 

[samhocking]

SoL will need to be very flexible given it's looking more and more likely this was a staff member given what the rep has said.

 

[yaco]

Dr Freeman can still be charged by UKAD as an athlete support person having prohibited substances at their workplace - UKAD may already be preparing the charge sheet.

 

[samhocking]

It's not actually prohibited for a Doctor to order prohibited substances and store them unless intended for an athlete for doping. Remember they function as an on the road GP, so have to store and have access to prohibited medication for injury, ooc, TUE, prescription, emergency etc. Not forgetting there's over 60 staff and riders and staff families etc on the road at a 3 week race all being treated by the Team doctor too who will be their GP no different to large companies that have on-site GP you visit at work. WADA code clearly allows for that. Obviously this is why the entire case for GMC is focused on a staff/rider. If it was against the rules to order it and store it, UKAD can already charge Freeman anyway using WADA code and Peters & Burts witness statements Freeman would have to prove as false.

At the moment, they have Shane Sutton in the building and their entire case appears to rest on proving Shane Sutton didn't need a months course of 30 Testogel to get an erection and he didn't ask Freeman to order it for him. It's hardly looking likely, GMC will have anything to hand back to UKAD if that is their strongest hand. They might be playing a weird game of holding back all this evidence of a rider, but it would seem it rests with Sutton and if Sutton denies everything the burden of proof will be entirely on GMC to find evidence of what they are claiming has happened. If Sutton denies, GMC can't even claim Freeman broke any GMC rules either, because they won't even have a statement Freeman administered anything to anyone - rider or staff then.

 

[yaco]

Sam - Read through the Wada code - An athlete support person must not have banned substances at their workplace for athletes who compete under the WADA Code - There has been at least one case in which an athlete support person has been sanctioned - Read Stephen Dank.

 

[MartinGT]

So Sutton denies it, this could be fun

 

[42x16ss]

Would be interesting if Sutton lifts the lid on what actually happened out of his own self image.

 

[brownbobby]

they have Shane Sutton in the building and their entire case appears to rest on proving Shane Sutton didn't need a months course of 30 Testogel to get an erection

Haven't they heard of Viagra?

 

[brownbobby]

So Sutton denies it, this could be fun

It does seem a bit odd to me that they would throw Sutton into the equation, someone with a relatively (within the cycling world) high public profile and prone to speaking his mind.....wouldn't it have been a safer bet to just say it was for some random backroom staff member, or even a relative of a random backroom staff member and then hide behind the whole medical confidentiality thing.....