CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

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fmk_RoI said:
Redgrave criticises DCMS Select Committee

http://www.bbc.com/sport/amp/cycling/43362324?__twitter_impression=true

Strange as it may seem, Redgrave actually makes an important - and fair - point.

or, perhaps not...........

"People keep saying Team Sky haven't done anything wrong but have stepped over the ethical line but if they've got all the right paper to prove they haven't done anything wrong then the system's wrong."

ah.......damn.....the paperwork ;)
 
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No one asked Sky to tell fairy tales and to proclam being cleaner, whiter than the cleanest of whitest!
 
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poupou said:
No one asked Sky to tell fairy tales and to proclam being cleaner, whiter than the cleanest of whitest!

Indeed

And now we can add GB's famed Olympic rowers to the expanding set of Team GB endurance athletes who think ethics are for losers

Is anyone surprised?
 
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macbindle said:
Redgrave is rigbt. It's the system.

The system allowed Team Sky to abuse a powerful PED.
Here's how broke the system is: WADA has the power to overrule TUEs. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/sports/tennis/mattek-sands-eric-serrano-doping-russian-hacking.html

So an international sporting federation's word on TUEs should be final with no WADA oversight?

Surely there should always be a review facility and since not all sports are affiliated with the CAS, WADA must adopt this role.

Either WADA can retain the power to review and if necessary overrule a TUE or a sports fed must be left to its own devices. Sounds like the lesser of two evils, especially in the case you posted, but if that is still a broken system, what alternative would you suggest?
 
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DCMS committee might not be finished even though report now published

And an interesting reference to the "judiciary" - suggests criminal proceedings might be in the offing - if that happens most likely Fall Guy Freeman will be doing the perp walk for ordering the testo patches - will he flip and rat out Brailsfraud, Sutton and Wiggo under police interrogation? That sure as hell would be tempting in return for a reduced sentence. What would he have to lose by then? Saps like Freeman usually crack when faced with the prisoner's dilemma

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dcms-select-committee-may-yet-call-further-hearings/

'Giles Watling, MP for Clacton and a member of the DCMS select committee since September last year, revealed that "there may be further hearings" in the future. "It's entirely possible," he said. "If further evidence arises we could look at it. You can never say that it's ‘case closed," Watling added. "It's for other agencies to get involved. That may include the judiciary." '
 
My understanding is the Parliamentary Committee can only make recommendations and have nothing to do with the judiciary - The Medical Council make their own decisions and punishments.The only conceivable way this could get to the judiciary is IF there was some kind of medical fraud - For example, charging the taxpayer for bogus claims.
 
Your understanding is correct. The Parliamentary select committee's primary function is to stress-test the department and that it is fit for purpose. Suggestions for legislative change can follow if deemed necessary.
 
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yaco said:
My understanding is the Parliamentary Committee can only make recommendations and have nothing to do with the judiciary - The Medical Council make their own decisions and punishments.The only conceivable way this could get to the judiciary is IF there was some kind of medical fraud - For example, charging the taxpayer for bogus claims.

We're not disagreeing and nor is the MP:

"It's for other agencies to get involved. That may include the judiciary."
 
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MartinGT said:
Isn't Redgrave another one with asthma.

SSR has a big litre v-o-two max thingy like Lance Armstrong :cool:

Matt Pinsent used to hold the record for any sportsman, with an 8.5-litre capacity, a measurement that dwarfed the average adult male's 5.8 litres, easily beat Steve Redgrave's 6.5 litres, and was way ahead of endurance cyclists such as Lance Armstrong (7 litres) and even Miguel Indurain (8 litres).
 
Those desperately clinging to the hope of a DCMS II to end their agony over seeing Sky surviving: hold your breath. The good Damian Collins MP has bigger fish to fry. He wants a slice of Mark Zuckerberg.
"I will be writing to Mark Zuckerberg asking that either he or another senior executive from the company appear to give evidence in front of the committee as part our inquiry," said Damian Collins MP.

"It is not acceptable that they have previously sent witnesses who seek to avoid asking difficult questions by claiming not to know the answers."
 
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[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236467#p2236467:192xq7hk][b:192xq7hk]pastronef[/b][/url] said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236451#p2236451:192xq7hk][b:192xq7hk]fmk_RoI[/b][/url] said:
Those desperately clinging to the hope of a DCMS II to end their agony over seeing Sky surviving: hold your breath.

ghhghghgh :D

however damning and critical the DCMS report was on sky, it was a 1 week story at best; you two seriously think any posters, even here in the clinic are losing sleep over a possible DCMS II?? sky/DB's demise or survival is more likely to be decided in Disneys/other boardroom rather than at DCMS.
as i see it, the posters who are in serious denial & agony are the serial sky defenders whose blind denial and contortions of logic, (in the face of clear and open abuse of the rules and their own often stated ethics) are funny/tragic in equal proportions.
 
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53*11 said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236467#p2236467:23ewl05p][b:23ewl05p]pastronef[/b][/url] said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236451#p2236451:23ewl05p][b:23ewl05p]fmk_RoI[/b][/url] said:
Those desperately clinging to the hope of a DCMS II to end their agony over seeing Sky surviving: hold your breath.

ghhghghgh :D

however damning and critical the DCMS report was on sky, it was a 1 week story at best; you two seriously think any posters, even here in the clinic are losing sleep over a possible DCMS II?? sky/DB's demise or survival is more likely to be decided in Disneys/other boardroom rather than at DCMS.
as i see it, the posters who are in serious denial & agony are the serial sky defenders whose blind denial and contortions of logic, (in the face of clear and open abuse of the rules and their own often stated ethics) are funny/tragic in equal proportions.

I am struggling to see how you can defend the DCMS report when it was politicians who directly funded BC and indirectly funded Sky - These politicians have shown a lack of oversight in ensuring they were funding programs that followed the rules of the sport - Collins and his ilk are hypocrites of the highest order.
 
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53*11 said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236467#p2236467:1i9csc2m][b:1i9csc2m]pastronef[/b][/url] said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236451#p2236451:1i9csc2m][b:1i9csc2m]fmk_RoI[/b][/url] said:
Those desperately clinging to the hope of a DCMS II to end their agony over seeing Sky surviving: hold your breath.

ghhghghgh :D

however damning and critical the DCMS report was on sky, it was a 1 week story at best; you two seriously think any posters, even here in the clinic are losing sleep over a possible DCMS II?? sky/DB's demise or survival is more likely to be decided in Disneys/other boardroom rather than at DCMS.
as i see it, the posters who are in serious denial & agony are the serial sky defenders whose blind denial and contortions of logic, (in the face of clear and open abuse of the rules and their own often stated ethics) are funny/tragic in equal proportions.

DCMS II ain't gonna happen. I posted that link on this thread because the MP said the judiciary might get involved. And the MPs have the inside line on what's been going on and what will go on. Their report was (even with the benefit of parliamentary privilege) tame compared to what it could have been

With regard to the posters on here in denial & agony (nice phrase btw) don't forget their are cycling journos going through the same contortions. At least one on here :rolleyes:
 
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yaco said:
53*11 said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236467#p2236467:28thah9u][b:28thah9u]pastronef[/b][/url] said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236451#p2236451:28thah9u][b:28thah9u]fmk_RoI[/b][/url] said:
Those desperately clinging to the hope of a DCMS II to end their agony over seeing Sky surviving: hold your breath.

ghhghghgh :D

however damning and critical the DCMS report was on sky, it was a 1 week story at best; you two seriously think any posters, even here in the clinic are losing sleep over a possible DCMS II?? sky/DB's demise or survival is more likely to be decided in Disneys/other boardroom rather than at DCMS.
as i see it, the posters who are in serious denial & agony are the serial sky defenders whose blind denial and contortions of logic, (in the face of clear and open abuse of the rules and their own often stated ethics) are funny/tragic in equal proportions.

I am struggling to see how you can defend the DCMS report when it was politicians who directly funded BC and indirectly funded Sky - These politicians have shown a lack of oversight in ensuring they were funding programs that followed the rules of the sport - Collins and his ilk are hypocrites of the highest order.


You are putting the cart before the horse. The purpose of select committees is to ensure the department is doing it's job properly. You've seen the report...it makes recommendations, which in turn are to steer the department and the legislature in the direction of better mansgement of modern sport.

The whole question of rules being broken is moot. It is not cut and dried for if it were Sky would already be gone. What the report suggests is that Sky are an unethical team, and the DCMS do not view it as acceptable. A view which most of us here share.
 
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yaco said:
53*11 said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236467#p2236467:39otawgh][b:39otawgh]pastronef[/b][/url] said:
[url=http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2236451#p2236451:39otawgh][b:39otawgh]fmk_RoI[/b][/url] said:
Those desperately clinging to the hope of a DCMS II to end their agony over seeing Sky surviving: hold your breath.

ghhghghgh :D

however damning and critical the DCMS report was on sky, it was a 1 week story at best; you two seriously think any posters, even here in the clinic are losing sleep over a possible DCMS II?? sky/DB's demise or survival is more likely to be decided in Disneys/other boardroom rather than at DCMS.
as i see it, the posters who are in serious denial & agony are the serial sky defenders whose blind denial and contortions of logic, (in the face of clear and open abuse of the rules and their own often stated ethics) are funny/tragic in equal proportions.

I am struggling to see how you can defend the DCMS report when it was politicians who directly funded BC and indirectly funded Sky - These politicians have shown a lack of oversight in ensuring they were funding programs that followed the rules of the sport - Collins and his ilk are hypocrites of the highest order.

ahh now i understand!! it wasnt skys fault at all, it was all the politicians fault, they ordered the testosterone, injected their riders, applied for TUEs, lied to their funders, fans and press, held kenalog training camps, hired dodgy doctors, forgot about their no needle policy, held a number of different medical records. its all clear now!