CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

[Parker]

Any chance you could find the post where someone said that?

It was literally quoted in the post you replied to.

But that not the point is it, you can't administer during middle of a race...

 

[fmk_RoI]

Mrs Freeman got a free bike

That's up with Damsgaard getting a free bike, isn't it? Steve Peters seems to be the only one todate to tell us stuff we didn't know (such as not participating in UK Sport's bullying inquiry) but on the doping front ... I'm struggling to think of anything new.

 

[bobbins]

It was literally quoted in the post you replied to.

Why not respond to them - any point between the start and the finish of the race is somewhere between the two, so is in the middle.

At that point, the rule was that the event finished at midnight as far as WADA were concerned. Hence them being secretive about the injection, and also what it was.

 

[bobbins]

That's up with Damsgaard getting a free bike, isn't it? Steve Peters seems to be the only one todate to tell us stuff we didn't know (such as not participating in UK Sport's bullying inquiry) but on the doping front ... I'm struggling to think of anything new.

More free bikes went out of BC than were ridden by riders! Dave B would have been the final sign off though. Just look at how many bikes Cookson has tweeted about - bikes from Sky, from BC. Bikes were given to sponsors, staff, potential sponsors etc.

 

[Parker]

That's up with Damsgaard getting a free bike, isn't it?

Not really. Old bikes go somewhere. Either you sell them or give them to staff etc. I used to know a person who worked in HTC's marketing (the company, not team). He got a free bike.

 

[fmk_RoI]

If it wasn't for bad luck he'd have no luck at all:

On Freeman’s sixth day of evidence at the Medical Practitioners Tribunal Service in Manchester, Simon Jackson QC, counsel for the General Medical Council, read out an email the doctor had sent to cycling’s body, the UCI, in which Freeman said in 2011: “I lost my hard drive and much data with regards to monitoring of bloods of riders at the giro and tdf. All are normal and will forward once fresh hard copies have come from the hospital.”

Jackson then asked Freeman: “This seems to be an unfortunate third occasion when you’ve either lost or broken a hard drive. So what happened?” “I can’t remember this email but having read it now I believe it was in reference to access. I didn’t lose a hard drive in 2011,” replied Freeman.


“If you’d lost access surely you would have said I am unable to access data,” asked Jackson. “You wouldn’t say I’ve lost it, or am I being pedantic?”

“I don’t think you are being pedantic,” replied Freeman.

Source.

 

[fmk_RoI]

More:

Freeman was asked if the practice of micro-dosing — a doping technique — had been brought to his attention before he ordered the 30 sachets of Testogel. He spoke of an ‘eye-opening’ lecture senior management had been given on the issue.

Source.

I'm picturing Brailsford calling all the senior coaches and medical team together and lecturing them on micro-dosing, and ending it by telling everyone that this is what they're not to be doing. As he winks at everyone.

 

[The Hegelian]

Three laptops now?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Three laptops now?

More interesting than this being his third laptop lost or destroyed is that in May 2011 the UCI introduced the no needles policy. And up to May 2011 Team Sky was running a récup programme. Did it really stop in May or did it operate during the Giro and the Tour?

 

[samhocking]

Don't CADF do the blood testing for the UCI or is Jackson referring to the blood results that come back to the team Dr from the pre-race health check?

 

[samhocking]

Three laptops now?

Would be the first laptop. This is August 2011, the first laptop was stolen 2014, the second laptop was BCs replacement he didn't use, because it was Windows, the third laptop is the Macbook, Braislford gave him to use instead and he screwdrivered after UKAD returned it to him once they concluded jiffygate.

 

[fmk_RoI]

The never ending tribunal: MPTS expected to renew for another season

The medical tribunal of the former Team Sky and British Cycling doctor Richard Freeman looks increasingly likely to drag on until after Easter 2021 after yet more delays caused by the release of a new tranche of medical data.

 

[bobbins]

They covered it in the podcast yesterday. Remember Moore had the Sutton bullying Freeman story, way before this was even in the world. Said Freeman changed his mind after the interviews and wouldn't give the permission to publish it for fear of Sutton. I'm sure once this is over Moore will revisit that though.

I expect Moore has 2 articles written depending on the outcome. He spent enough time with Sky to either be complicit or incompetent as a journalist. Being a tame journo for the team might pay well but he's got zero credibility.

Considering he rode with a rider who when amateur was one of the biggest dopers in the bunch, he's not so good at spotting what's going open under his nose.

 

[fmk_RoI]

He spent enough time with Sky to either be complicit or incompetent as a journalist

When was this?

 

[samhocking]

Don't think Moore has ever had inside access to Sky/BC has he bobbins? I think Moore had interviews with Freeman just before the jiffybag story broke where Freeman talked more about the story behind Suttons bullying, the BC Tribunal that DCMS & UKAD were told about etc, but DCMS for whatever reason decided to not publish any of it re. Sutton, but stand behind Suttons claim to Lawton instead.
Lawton is said to have had this story about Sutton too at the time of Jiffygate. Did he do a deal with Sutton to not go with that story and jiffygate instead? Who knows. Even with Lawton & Sutton, we probably won't ever know until an FOI is possible on all the missing witness statements re. Sutton held by DCMS.

 

[F_Cance]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/oct/23/former-team-sky-doctor-raised-concerns-over-multiple-injections

 

[F_Cance]

laptop nr. 4

https://twitter.com/x/status/1320688427340279809

View: https://twitter.com/lawton_times/status/1320688427340279809

 

[macbindle]

The gift that keeps on giving

 

[Parker]

laptop nr. 4

https://twitter.com/x/status/1320688427340279809

View: https://twitter.com/lawton_times/status/1320688427340279809

What does anyone think will be on these laptops anyway? He's already admitted to the charge of bad record keeping. UKAD have already had a look at one of them. And they seem to have access to his e-mails.

 

[MartinGT]

Nothing. I mean this is Team Sky who we are talking about. No stone left un turned. There wont be anything on them.

 

[samhocking]

That is the 2nd laptop which was his 2014 replacement laptop for the one robbed from the hotels safe in Greece, but he ended up eventually using a third laptop Team Sky supplied him because all the other doctors used Macbooks iirc.

 

[MartinGT]

Apparently he tried to sneak the laptop out

 

[yaco]

That is the 2nd laptop which was his 2014 replacement laptop for the one robbed from the hotels safe in Greece, but he ended up eventually using a third laptop Team Sky supplied him because all the other doctors used Macbooks iirc.

At the end of the day, Freeman has trouble keeping laptops in his possession or if he is lucky to retain his laptop, he then forgets the password or the laptop is fails to work - Laptops and Freeman are a poor combination.

 

[fmk_RoI]

What does anyone think will be on these laptops anyway?

The GCMS have been circling around this for some time now but they appear to be slowly getting to their point, which is that the perfectly legal IV récup programme may not have been as legal as claimed:

An apparently confused Freeman then said he was not sure why he would need to look at his laptop.

“It was looking at records for a rider whose level of 3.4 jumped to 7.2 nmol/L and jumped back again,” O’Rourke responded. “You had indicated you would need to see your laptop. We had agreed you would look at the laptop to see what was on it so if you were questioned about a particular rider or result, you would be aware of it.”

 

[70kmph]

Why would this genius need records somehow he remembers every single dosage he gave to the Sky staff and family members