CN Best Team Bike 2011

[Benotti69]

Cervelo have just come out and admitted for the first time that their idea of ideal bike geometry is wrong, and that maybe those old farts like Ugo De Rosa actually may have known something after all ......

And yet their bike is supposedly "Best Team Bike" ...?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

got a link as i would like to read that.

 

[Parera]

got a link as i would like to read that.

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/gloating-24671.html

 

[LugHugger]

http://www.velocipedesalon.com/forum/f2/gloating-24671.html

Wow. Just wow. How long before more of their pseudo science is exposed as fallacy?


The thing about the voting which immediately rankled me was that neither of these bikes are 'team' bikes. They are specialist frames suited only to a particular type of parcours. Neither were they ridden by entire teams. Indeed, the Venge has been made available to what - maybe a dozen riders since MSR?

Oh, and both of these frames look so offensive that they make my eyes bleed.

 

[hfer07]

that damn R5 is purely a P3 morphed for road-it makes me sick-I happened to look at it yesterday at my bike shop and barely could hold my disgust-that bike is ugly as hell

 

[BroDeal]

got a link as i would like to read that.

I already posted it to the $10K bike thread.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

And Hushovd winning the Worlds sprint on an S3 is a refutation of your point? It's not a refutation, because your point is obvious and I agree with it: the advantage of an aero frame is not sufficient to guarantee a win. But also obviously, when going uphill or with your nose in the wind, lighter or aero IS faster (everything else equal).

It's nice that there are a lot of people here who like to think their BS detectors are custom made with brazed lugs, but when you say that a lighter or more aero bike doesn't make a difference, you're just pandering. Being "authentic" is better than being a conspicuous consumer, but that's not saying much.

For what it's worth most people (sheep) believe that -100g and slightly better wind tunnel tests equate to a better bike, people are easily duped by the engineering, I mean marketing dept., fact of life. This is what my freshly charged lugged BS meter tells me. Aero for most is a look, nothing more. Hell, my carbon CX is more aero than my carbon road, stfw.

 

[42x16ss]

Cervelo have just come out and admitted for the first time that their idea of ideal bike geometry is wrong, and that maybe those old farts like Ugo De Rosa actually may have known something after all ......

And yet their bike is supposedly "Best Team Bike" ...?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Have you guys seen some of the crazy stuff the Garmin riders have had to do to get the position they want on their bikes this season???? Ryder Hesjedal has had to get some ridiculous length (and drop) stem just to get his hands as low as they were on his old Felt.

And here's Thor's (edit: check the setup on the R5 behind it!)

And Roger Hammond

Ok, Thor and Hammond aren't AS extreme as Ryder but still, surely that shouldn't be necessary. Especially for Hammond who is what, 5'8? These are pretty extreme setups even for pro's!

 

[auscyclefan94]

These reader polls don't mean anything, mostly voted on by fanboys that don't have any experience at all with any of those machines. Everyone here knows this, well most do.

Top 3 criteria for people who vote on these lame polls.

1. More aero must mean faster.
2. Lighter must mean faster.
3. If a pro wins a race it must have been the bike.

I would certainly fit that criteria. I voted for the BMC bike because Cadel ride it

Who did most of you vote for anyway?

 

[simo1733]

I would certainly fit that criteria. I voted for the BMC bike because Cadel ride it

Who did most of you vote for anyway?

I thought the Impec wasn't very popular with the BMC riders.Surprised that Look don't make the top ten!

 

[auscyclefan94]

I thought the Impec wasn't very popular with the BMC riders.Surprised that Look don't make the top ten!

Yep, Impec won quite a few awards but only a few of the classics guy actually ride them. Most of the 'stage race' guys rider the SLR01. I also found it quite amusing that Cadel warned someone on twitter not to purchase a BMC Mountain Bike because they weren't very good.

 

[LugHugger]

I thought the Impec wasn't very popular with the BMC riders.Surprised that Look don't make the top ten!

Or Time.

Perhaps they need to up their ad spend with CN? It certainly wasn't a poll of the best team bikes, that's for sure!

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Does it help sprinters then? I clearly remember Cav catching and passing Haussler on a rather unremarkable (save for the low weight) Scott Addict at 2009 Milan-San Remo. I'm just going to say, in a team sport where you spend most of the time cheating the wind by riding on someone's ***, an aero frame will only make a difference to someone riding a longish solo breakaway at high speed. And as a further reminder, most of the wattage savings these marketing/R&D clowns come up with only materialize at speeds that simply don't happen in real world situations.

It's not a big deal to simply admit that the S5 is simply another overly expensive carbon fiber race bike and a serves as a way for Cervelo to whack their loyal cash pinatas yet again. It's just a bike, yo.

You ever hear of the term "Product differentiation?" It's a key marketing goal for almost any company with a product. The motherboard of this PC I'm currently using touts itself as "military grade" because of the type of PCB it uses. They claim it's better performing and longer lasting; I have no idea if it's true. It's just something MSI markets, effectively distinguishing themselves from ASUS, Gigabyte, etc. Fortunately, in the PC enthusiast world, we have actual benchmarks that can irrefutably demonstrate which systems/components benchmark better than their competitors. And then do crazy things, like come up with price/performance charts. Which is why I chose this particular mobo, it was a nice breaking point for said price/performance.

In cycling all we have is some bull**** some jerk at Specialized tells us, which is then repeated ad nauseam by almost everyone involved in cycling. Except for people here, because they're all cool as ****.

Win on Sunday, sell on Monday. One of the basics of marketing. Most cyclists are lemmings.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The Impec is a monument to vaporwear. Not to mention it is:

Grossly overpriced
Heavy
Not very aero
Has a ride quality that will encourage the hardiest BMC cyclist to reach for the SLR01.

BMC made some good products for a while. Now they're just clueless.

 

[BroDeal]

And here's Thor's (edit: check the setup on the R5 behind it!)

And Roger Hammond

Those are LOLtastic.

The sad thing is that you know that there will be noobs out there looking at these monstrosities and thinking that is how a bike should fit because the pros bikes look that way.

Even sadder that a bike company that cannot even make a bike that fits its riders gets so many votes for top team bike.

 

[Night Rider]

I'm not sure what it says about the average respondent when over half of the votes cast were for the Cervelo S5 and Specialized's Venge. And the Colnago C59 only garnered 6% of the vote? Just how susceptible to marketing BS are cyclists?

Utter madness.

If you ran a poll worldwide on what the best restaurant was I wouldn't be surprised if something like McDonalds came out best, take 'best of' polls for what they are .... rubbish at worst, a popularity contest at best.

FWIW though I wouldn't be saying Colnago should come out on top if one were to take a critical view, far from it.

 

[LugHugger]

If you ran a poll worldwide on what the best restaurant was I wouldn't be surprised if something like McDonalds came out best, take 'best of' polls for what they are .... rubbish at worst, a popularity contest at best.

FWIW though I wouldn't be saying Colnago should come out on top if one were to take a critical view, far from it.

McD's might be top of a vox populis poll, true. You would never expect that result in say Food & Drink Magazine's equivalent poll though.

I did not advocate the C59 should have won, just that it was a more credit worthy alternate to the top two polled bikes. Hence my later support for both Look and Time as more worthy contenders.

 

[42x16ss]

McD's might be top of a vox populis poll, true. You would never expect that result in say Food & Drink Magazine's equivalent poll though.

I did not advocate the C59 should have won, just that it was a more credit worthy alternate to the top two polled bikes. Hence my later support for both Look and Time as more worthy contenders.

Look and Time are both far more worthy contenders IMO.

Look for trying something a bit different in terms of tech and fit with the adjustable stem, variable crank length and 110 and 130mm BCD chainring spiders. They have made every bike you could realistically need.

Time for continuing to push the envelope with carbon fibre development and lugged carbon frames (along with Colnago).

These are developments and innovations that last, not some funky looking aero design that makes the bike handle strangely and ride harshly.

How important is aerodynamics in a 150+ rider peloton or going up a >6% col? Not as important as being able to back up and race again the next day I bet. This is a bit easier on a bike that isn't compromised by the marketing department.

 

[karlboss]

I'm not convinced by the credibility of Colnago, Time and Look so far as carbon fibre goes.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

I'm not convinced by the credibility of Colnago, Time and Look so far as carbon fibre goes.

Ha-ha, what?!? 58 years of road race frame design and manufacturing with every material, geometries and F&F designs copied the world over, and has more champions on his bikes than Look or Time put together. Is that enough credibility for you?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm not convinced by the credibility of Colnago, Time and Look so far as carbon fibre goes.

Well, there are also people who aren't convinced global warming is real, Obama is American, or that people landed on the moon.

I hope you were joking with that post. If not, I'll refer you to the victories the Colnago C40 or the Time VXRS Ulteam have racked up. Maybe we can remember together how QuickStep, upon taking the $$ and switching to Specialized, requested Time forks on their new Specialized bikes.

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

To be fair, if I didn't have such an Italian bike jones, I'll admit that I'm very fond of a couple of the French fries, Time, and the mythical Cyfac bikes are some very tasty ones.

 

[42x16ss]

To be fair, if I didn't have such an Italian bike jones, I'll admit that I'm very fond of a couple of the French fries, Time, and the mythical Cyfac bikes are some very tasty ones.

mmmmm Cyfac! More than one high profile pro has used a re-painted custom Cyfac in the past. Definitely one of the best custom CF frames on the market.

 

[Spider1964]

Well, there are also people who aren't convinced global warming is real, Obama is American, or that people landed on the moon.

I hope you were joking with that post. If not, I'll refer you to the victories the Colnago C40 or the Time VXRS Ulteam have racked up. Maybe we can remember together how QuickStep, upon taking the $$ and switching to Specialized, requested Time forks on their new Specialized bikes.

Next you'll be telling me that you've got the name of the other shooter on the grassy knoll?
Or you know what fell at Roswell?

But if you tell me that Santa is NOT real then I'm outta here!!

 

[Notso Swift]

I'm not convinced by the credibility of Colnago, Time and Look so far as carbon fibre goes.

This is one of the more amazing posts I have seen on this forum, and that is saying something

 

[Benotti69]

Next you'll be telling me that you've got the name of the other shooter on the grassy knoll?
Or you know what fell at Roswell?

But if you tell me that Santa is NOT real then I'm outta here!!

Hate to break it to you but Peter Parker is fictional