I'm hoping Voeckler is clean. He seems to ride with the grit and recklessness of a rider who has talent but lacks that edge to be a real GC or classics competitor. Sylvan Chavanel is another such rider. Hard to say one way or the other though.
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Escarabajo said:Jens was mentioned by Jörg Jaksche. Whether true or not his interview could have been challenged by jens.
Remember when he in '08 paced the bunch over Tourmalet so hard that Piti dropped...Dazed and Confused said:Voigt hammering up and down the cols in France in July for the past 10 years dropping riders left, right and center. Only hard work and a strong German mentality.
Netserk said:Remember when he in '08 paced the bunch over Tourmalet so hard that Piti dropped...
jfromm said:A twitter exchange today involving Vaughters
@Vaughters tough question: were you the DS who called on Hamilton "here comes ‘Fuentes’ client" during Tour of Georgia 2008?
@Vaughters @8aldwin Of course I was. Why is that a tough question?
WinterRider said:Beyond the people they ride with, how are 2 of these 3 down? I've heard nothing yet to concretely discredit Voecker or Jens.
jfromm said:A twitter exchange today involving Vaughters
@Vaughters tough question: were you the DS who called on Hamilton "here comes ‘Fuentes’ client" during Tour of Georgia 2008?
@Vaughters @8aldwin Of course I was. Why is that a tough question?
filipo said:That is awesome. Sometimes I frickin love JV.
That's the nice thing of twitter. You get time to compose yourself before you show the other side your "initial" response. JV is good with words, apparently better than with faces.jfromm said:A twitter exchange today involving Vaughters
@Vaughters tough question: were you the DS who called on Hamilton "here comes ‘Fuentes’ client" during Tour of Georgia 2008?
@Vaughters @8aldwin Of course I was. Why is that a tough question?
mewmewmew13 said:Lol...yeah JV can be a fun date
ElChingon said:If you consider fun laughing then having to walk around with his tale between his rear as he apologies to no end.
both dopeMoose McKnuckles said:I used to be a big fan of Jens and Voeckler as well. Jens needs to go away, and I have serious doubts about Voeckler and Europcar after that miraculously successful TdF.
Cloxxki said:That's the nice thing of twitter. You get time to compose yourself before you show the other side your "initial" response. JV is good with words, apparently better than with faces.
JV seems to be doing some things well for cycling, in his very own way, but yeah, hypocrism is apparently a part of that. If my time line fits, he made the Fuentes remark before he confessed. Not a very classy gesture, if human, of someone who only came to true fame because of most similar juice.
After reading Tyler's book, I did not get the impression Fuentes was the biggest performance boost relative to other (ex)Posties. Just that Ceccini is probably a better trainer than Ferrari. Perhaps we should ask Dekker, he's been around.
Well, good combination anyway. Ferrari did both.SundayRider said:Well what I got from Tyler's book is that Fuentes isn't a trainer at all, just someone who managed transfusions and provided EPO etc. Cecchini did more of his training.