CNF Clinic Award: Most Suspicious Performance of 2013

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You seem to have forgotten the 2011 Vuelta. Horner was just following Sky. Last year, after the ludicrous performance of Sky, there were those here who said other riders would follow Sky's example and go back to doping full bore.

And that explains the sudden rise from Horner into the TdF T-10 before Sky came around?
I have yet to see a 40 year old rider coming to Sky and break doping records... Anyway, don´t mind, it won´t happen.

We were right. Don't try to blame this on Horner and those who are just trying to keep up with the nationwide doping program of the Brits.

BTW, your continual Jihad against Horner to the exclusion of all others is getting tiresome.

Well, well... and you accused me of hating the US.
If there is any "Jihad" going on, it´s against Sky. Who´s got more flak?
Yet Horner is easily to single out as the most disgusting 2013 performance. What is more suspicious? A 42 year old one riding injured on one leg breaking doping world records, or a rider in his peak age?
As I said, it´s a no brainer...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But now that you tell me that cycling was 100% clean...

Where did I say that?

Anyway, let me quote this one before going any further

wrong again. (but nice try desperately misrepresenting what i posted. )

seems to be a habit with you unfortunately.

i am hopeful, however, you might be able to turn it around in the new year. good luck with that.

 

[The Hitch]

Where did I say that?

Right here

Horner single handedly closed the window.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Liar......

 

[The Hitch]

A 42 year old one riding injured on one leg breaking doping world records, or a rider in his peak age?
As I said, it´s a no brainer...

Which "doping world records" did Horner break?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Those at the Vuelta.

 

[The Hitch]

Those at the Vuelta.

Did he? Which ones?

 

[The Hitch]

Liar......

What? What am I lying about. You did write that in your post, I am not making it up, take a look at your own post ffs before calling me a liar.

That is a no brainer.

Horner!

By a wide margin (DiLuca for example looked like Kindergarten style in comparison, even LA in his "best" times can´t come close to this).

The most outright blatant cheating I've ever seen, in any olympic sport, anywhere in the world, in my whole life.
Unprecedented how a 42 year old over-the-hill injured rider rode away on one leg, always out of the saddle, from his young talented favoured competitors*.

Horner seriously took the p!ss out of all of us with his Vuelta performances not only in one, but every mountain stage.
The biggest mutant performance of the past 150 years in cycling.
A complete Vuelta annihilation. It was no easy task given the past of the many many doped and suspiciouss Vuelta performances.

* = What makes Horner even more sickening are the facts, (a) he was a failure in a 2nd tier team his first time around in europe. He was so bad he simply didn´t got a new contract when reaching his peak age. And now in grandpa age, he was breaking doping records of the darkest cycling era with ease.
(b) After the AC positive, there was a small window where riders may have thought twice before doping big time again. Now Horner showed every young rider their only chance is to cheat again. Basically he destroyed a whole promising young generation. He single-handedly closed the window.
His final stunt was to led testers look like fools, yet everybody knows he was hiding from them. He spat everyone in the face. The most disgusting person in cycling. LA was/is an angel in comparison.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Did he? Which ones?

Some of the mountain stages. Just have a look in the Horner threads...

What? What am I lying about. You did write that in your post, I am not making it up, take a look at your own post ffs before calling me a liar.

No i didn´t, no matter how big you post the letters...

 

[Wallace]

I voted for Horner because, well, there's insulting our intelligence, and then there's hitting our intelligence with a hatchet, dragging it out into the woods, ****ing on it and then setting it on fire. He's how old? He did what? Also because of his nickname. "papy"? God I hate that nickname. I don't ever want to hear about anyone named Papy in a bike race, not even a masters crit.

 

[the sceptic]

Those at the Vuelta.

Do you have any evidence?

 

[The Hitch]

Some of the mountain stages. Just have a look in the Horner threads...

So he didn't break any then?

If you think he broke some then show them to us. Until you are able to actually show us which "doping records" Horner broke he hasn't broken any.

Considering that even you, his biggest hater, don't even know which "doping records" Horner broke, then I think its a fair bet that actually he didn't break any

no i didn´t, no matter how big you post the letters...

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1379344&postcount=95

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Do you have any evidence?

As said to Hitch, please take a look at the Horner threads. It shouldn´t be too difficult since they are not near as big as the various Sky threads...

 

[The Hitch]

As said to Hitch, please take a look at the Horner threads. It shouldn´t be too difficult since they are not near as big as the various Sky threads...

I have taken a look. Nowhere does it say Horner broke any doping records.

So can we safely say now that Horner did not break any doping records, or are you going to go and find some evidence that he did?

Maybe this has been the whole problem all along. You were under the illusion that Horner had broken all these doping records. It turns out actually he didn't break any. Therefore you were working under the assumption that Horner had performed better than he actually had. So maybe Horner isn't so suspicious afterall

 

[Wallace]

(b) After the AC positive, there was a small window where riders may have thought twice before doping big time again. Now Horner showed every young rider their only chance is to cheat again. Basically he destroyed a whole promising young generation. He single-handedly closed the window.
His final stunt was to led testers look like fools, yet everybody knows he was hiding from them. He spat everyone in the face. The most disgusting person in cycling. LA was/is an angel in comparison.

I'm sorry, but the idea that Horner "destroyed a whole promising generation" can be refuted with two words: "No contract." Ever heard of a rider winning a GT and then the next year he's without a team because no one will touch him? It's never happened before. The lack of a job shows what happens when you throw away all constraint and just dope up to your eyeballs. I mean, there has to be some semblance of believability. Horner even went so far as to release his (highly suspicious) values out of desperation, asking everyone "what more do you want from me?" And the response, from the entire pro cycling world, was: "how about disappearing? Could you do that for us Chris? Just go away, so we can all pretend the whole embarrassing 2013 Vuelta thing never happened? Tell you what, we'll make it easy for you. No job, no place in the peloton, no Horner. Horner? Horner who? I've never heard that name before." It's almost enough to make you believe in the sport again. Well, no, it isn't. But still...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

So he didn't break any then?

If you know he broke some then show them to us. Until you are able to actually show us which doping record Horner broke he hasn't broken any.

Considering that even you, his biggest hater, don't even know which doping records Horner broke, then I think its a fair bet that actually he didn't break any

That´s a great logic: B/C i am unwilling* to do your work (showing the doping records), the facts simply don´t exist for you. Just Wow!

(* Why should i go in circles, waste my time, just to repeat again and again what was written and linked before? Sorry, no, I don´t do that.)

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1379344&postcount=95[/QUOTE]

No matter how you try (big letters or re-links) i didn´t say what you think i said.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I have taken a look. Nowhere does it say Horner broke any doping records.

So can we safely say now that Horner did not break any doping records, or are you going to go and find some evidence that he did?

Maybe this has been the whole problem all along. You were under the illusion that Horner had broken all these doping records. It turns out actually he didn't break any. Therefore you were working under the assumption that Horner had performed better than he actually had. So maybe Horner isn't so suspicious afterall

If you want to split hairs... go on. Nobody broke any doping records the past two years. No Froome, no Wiggins...
But then again, Horner broke obviously every doping record of old men riding bikes at the world tour level. Horner the record breaker at 40+...

 

[the sceptic]

Being old doesnt count as evidence for doping.

So unless you have something more than that, Im afraid we must conclude that Horner is clean too.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I'm sorry, but the idea that Horner "destroyed a whole promising generation" can be refuted with two words: "No contract." Ever heard of a rider winning a GT and then the next year he's without a team because no one will touch him? It's never happened before. The lack of a job shows what happens when you throw away all constraint and just dope up to your eyeballs. I mean, there has to be some semblance of believability. Horner even went so far as to release his (highly suspicious) values out of desperation, asking everyone "what more do you want from me?" And the response, from the entire pro cycling world, was: "how about disappearing? Could you do that for us Chris? Just go away, so we can all pretend the whole embarrassing 2013 Vuelta thing never happened? Tell you what, we'll make it easy for you. No job, no place in the peloton, no Horner. Horner? Horner who? I've never heard that name before." It's almost enough to make you believe in the sport again. Well, no, it isn't. But still...

Yeah, that´s the good thing coming out of this mess*. Hope this way the crazy over the top dopers get out of business. At least the worst ones like Horner.
OTOH, if he doesn´t get a contract, testers run out of chances to catch him.
Otherwise great post, fully agree with it.

 

[The Hitch]

That´s a great logic: B/C i am unwilling* to do your work (showing the doping records), the facts simply don´t exist for you. Just Wow!

No its your work. If you want to make a claim it is up to you to provide the evidence.
It is not up to everyone else to be your slaves and go around searching evidence for you.

Ask anyone. Ask the moderators. Take a look at the rules.

Proof of point, opinions, and common knowledge: you can't just say "we know Bobby the Bod is doping". You have to provide some proof using linked sources or verifiable material

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/announcement.php?f=20

See what that says? "You have to provide some proof using linked sources or verifiable material"

NOT "Other people have to go waste their time looking for proof for statements you made, which they don't even know exists".

Having said that, I actually have gone over Horner's times up the mountains in this years Vuelta, and I know exactly what they were. I am ready to have this discussion with you. All you need to do is stop being so lazy go look at Horner's times and tell me which "doping records" you think he broke.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Being old doesnt count as evidence for doping.

So unless you have something more than that, Im afraid we must conclude that Horner is clean too.

blabla... i also don´t repeat for you what was written as evidence step-by-step against Horner again and again.
Play your silly games at the various Sky threads, there you´ll have enough people to cope with you...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

No its your work. If you want to make a claim it is up to you to provide the evidence.
It is not up to everyone else to be your slaves and go around searching evidence for you.

Ask anyone. Ask the moderators. Take a look at the rules.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/announcement.php?f=20

See what that says? "You have to provide some proof using linked sources or verifiable material"

NOT "Other people have to go waste their time looking for proof for statements you made, which they don't even know exists".

Having said that, I actually have gone over Horner's times up the mountains in this years Vuelta, and I know exactly what they were. I am ready to have this discussion with you. All you need to do is stop being so lazy go look at Horner's times and tell me which "doping records" you think he broke.

No it´s not my work to read for you. I explained in this right thread why i think Horners Vuelta performance was the most suspicious one in 2013. What you try to make of it is your problem, not mine. I am sorry for you that 56+ % of people share my view; that Sky riders didn´t get the majority of votes; that no one mentioned Wiggins...

P.S.: I also read what times Horner put up, what watts he produced, and how they compare to the "dark era records". I am unwilling to provide existing links in the wrong thread.

 

[python]

jeezus, what has happened to the forum i'm confident that sock puppets are likely not involved... foxyrown has seemingly morphed into what i'd expect to be skeptic and the hitch increasingly sounds like the dr mass demanding proofs ( who's apparently exited the board)

 

[The Hitch]

No it´s not my work to read for you. I explained in this right thread why i think Horners Vuelta performance was the most suspicious one in 2013. What you try to make of it is your problem, not mine. I am sorry for you that 56+ % of people share my view; that Sky riders didn´t get the majority of votes; that no one mentioned Wiggins...
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I don't care why you think Horner is suspicious. That's not the discussion we are having. What we have been talking about is your claim that Horner broke doper records. You have been unwilling to back up that claim which suggets that you know it was false.

To say this is the wrong thread is a massive cop out. You said, in this thread that Horner broke doper records. So it is up to you to show in this thread which doper records Horner actually broke.

Rexords are simply numbers. If Horner actually did break those records it would take you all of about 10 seconds to copy and paste the numbers and a link here and thus prove me wrong and win the discussion.

The fact that you refuse to offer the data and instead come up with 100 different excuses for why you won't post it, is very telling.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I don't care why you think Horner is suspicious. That's not the discussion we are having. What we have been talking about is your claim that Horner broke doper records. You have been unwilling to back up that claim which suggets that you know it was false.

To say this is the wrong thread is a massive cop out. You said, in this thread that Horner broke doper records. So it is up to you to show in this thread which doper records Horner actually broke.

Rexords are simply numbers. If Horner actually did break those records it would take you all of about 10 seconds to copy and paste the numbers and a link here and thus prove me wrong and win the discussion.

The fact that you refuse to offer the data and instead come up with 100 different excuses for why you won't post it, is very telling.

No, you started the discussion of the records, after you failed to put words into my mouth that i didn´t say... As usual all went in circles in a sensless discussion.
I guess no later than 24 hrs most of this blabla posts between us are deleted (rightfully). So was it worth it to cope with me?

BTW, I still say Horner broke past dopers records. But i am not going into splitting hair contests...
Yeah, linking takes 10 secs. But to get to the exact page where the links are takes a ton of time. I don´t have that, in a wrong thread, in a back-and-forth-leading-to-nothing-discussion.