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Colom positive for EPO

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must be left overs from his days with "the hog"

In the old days the Hog would kick in the UCI payment...... out of the Hog klan you got no protection.......
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His test was on april 2nd, 2009. Now that's a long time to come up with a positive test. The UCI has some explaining to do.

Whilst Bernie K was on his "dope testing works jack" roadshow the UCI had to plug a positive test to show they are winning the war on drugs.

Me thinks this is the first UCI positive since the 2007 Tour.... think I'm right, yes ? The O-Games were the IOC, the CERA gang of 4 was the AFLD, ValvPiti was CONI....... now tell me how they pulled this one from the air ? after all this time of no one testing positive...... Poor bhastard... sacrificial lamb....

I'm looking forward to Bernie's next installment... the story of how his blood bags were named after Lance's ex girlfriends....
 
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His test was on april 2nd, 2009. Now that's a long time to come up with a positive test. The UCI has some explaining to do.

You know they won't explain that. I do hope a brave reporter with a modicum of intelligence will ask them a pointed question about both the delay in the release of this test and also the very "coincident" timing of it being released to tout the bio passport right after Kohl trashed it. I'm positive the UCI will respond with their typical non-answer mumbo-jumbo doubletalk BS that has nothing to do with the question however. At this point I think the UCI is one of the biggest prolems in the sport. Having them in charge of anti-doping is a complete charade.
 
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I wonder- what a coincidence this new case just appear when Kohl happened to expose the useless UCI anti doping policy......

Well the UCI has been telling us for months that they have something cooking up relating to the blood passport so I don't find it that surprising that they release a positive at this time. When they started talking that there was something coming up related to the blood passport program they probably knew that they were target testing certain riders.

I guess that there could be hundreds of reasons for the test result being announced so late. Maybe the samples weren't top priority, maybe they had to await confirmation, maybe the rider needed to be informed prior to a press release, etc.
 
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now tell me how they pulled this one from the air ? after all this time of no one testing positive...... Poor bhastard... sacrificial lamb....

What I would like to know is what goes on behind the scenes for the UCI to pick their scapegoats from the riders. We won't know of course unless a whistleblower comes forward from within. It may be as simple as the UCI deciding completely internally who to pick that best suits their goals. Colom is a strong Spanish domestique riding for Katusha. Pfannberger of Katusha already failed a test last month and is involved in the Austrian anti-doping ring. Do they have reason to "go after" Katusha?
 
Another question: how does an out of competition positive for EPO validate the bio passport? We know that if a rider is using EPO they are using it out of competition because they'd be positive if using it during a race. The UCI doesn't need the passport to go test TDF contenders out of compition while they are training on Tenerife right now for example. And the bio passport has nothing to do with a riders racing schedule - if you want to catch a rider out of competition you want to find what races they are planning to peak for, then go test them a month beforehand when they are in hard training.
 

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What I would like to know is what goes on behind the scenes for the UCI to pick their scapegoats from the riders. We won't know of course unless a whistleblower comes forward from within. It may be as simple as the UCI deciding completely internally who to pick that best suits their goals. Colom is a strong Spanish domestique riding for Katusha. Pfannberger of Katusha already failed a test last month and is involved in the Austrian anti-doping ring. Do they have reason to "go after" Katusha?


I think they "chose" Toni Colom because he's an easy target. He was jacked like everyone else but he is a child of Vinos Astana so bingo. He was also probably preparing in a big way for the Tour on Russian money hence pulling him now so the mob don't go overboard.

What's even more funny is when you Google "Colom positive" you get the news reports of the story and each one has the press release from the UCI about the bio passport, what it is and how it catches cheats. Too funny it's just sad Colom took the fall. Suggest he'll be calling BK to tell him to shut the duck up about the BP.
 
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Another question: how does an out of competition positive for EPO validate the bio passport? We know that if a rider is using EPO they are using it out of competition because they'd be positive if using it during a race. The UCI doesn't need the passport to go test TDF contenders out of compition while they are training on Tenerife right now for example. And the bio passport has nothing to do with a riders racing schedule - if you want to catch a rider out of competition you want to find what races they are planning to peak for, then go test them a month beforehand when they are in hard training.
By performing more out of competition tests than usual to certain riders. That is just my speculation. That's what they said when they found Mayo positive, although he was riding the Tour at that point. He was being tested more frequently than other riders.
 
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By performing more out of competition tests than usual to certain riders. That is just my speculation. That's what they said when they found Mayo positive, although he was riding the Tour at that point. He was being tested more frequently than other riders.

"certain riders" are quite simply the stronger riders - you don't need a passport to know that you should target the stronger riders in the bunch as they are statistically the most likely to be doping.
 
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Whilst Bernie K was on his "dope testing works jack" roadshow the UCI had to plug a positive test to show they are winning the war on drugs.

Me thinks this is the first UCI positive since the 2007 Tour.... think I'm right, yes ? The O-Games were the IOC, the CERA gang of 4 was the AFLD, ValvPiti was CONI....... now tell me how they pulled this one from the air ? after all this time of no one testing positive...... Poor bhastard... sacrificial lamb....

I'm looking forward to Bernie's next installment... the story of how his blood bags were named after Lance's ex girlfriends....

Yeah thats STRANGE your right. Especially the r-epo positive in today's day and age. I wonder what really happend...
 
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Another question: how does an out of competition positive for EPO validate the bio passport? We know that if a rider is using EPO they are using it out of competition because they'd be positive if using it during a race. The UCI doesn't need the passport to go test TDF contenders out of compition while they are training on Tenerife right now for example. And the bio passport has nothing to do with a riders racing schedule - if you want to catch a rider out of competition you want to find what races they are planning to peak for, then go test them a month beforehand when they are in hard training.

This is all rather pathetic. Colom just started a family. What was he thinking? Why would some one take such a risk? The test was performed a few days before the Vuelta al País Vasco, where Colom finished second to Contador, so it all kind of makes sense. I think the thing that is most fascinating are the questions about what could the UCI be announcing tomorrow? I can appreciate the fact that the UCI wants to be very cautious about making their drug testing results public, since people's lives are riding on this stuff. It would be my guess that they will have nothing to announce tomorrow, but they probably thought it best to get the Colom news out today, rather than hold a big meeting, say nothing, and then let it out a few days later. I would expect tomorrow to be a make nice event with AFLD. It wouldn't hurt if the UCI had some credentials going in to the meeting, like they caught somebody, too, hence Colom, in all likelihood, like some one said earlier. Mr. Kohl is starting to look like he's on the mark. What a pity. Apparently, there is no end to this stupidity. I, for one, am thinking that why should I get my bowels in an uproar about this years Tour de France, when there were so many disappointments last year that are so likely to be repeated. I mean, the fans denial of biker drug usage is as real as the biker denials. Both are debilitating to the sport. Once you admit its prevalence, you kind of lose your desire to witness the events. If we really want to think the worst, we can imagine the AFLD not calling out all the positives during the Tour, to avoid tarnishing it's image while in progress. Better to catch and announce the rest after its over and the fans are taking a snooze. So, will I watch? My wife is laughing! She knows I'll watch anyway because that is my drug. I mean, what the hey! The Hockey season does come to an end, eventually, and then what do you do?:rolleyes:
 
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This is all rather pathetic. Colom just started a family. What was he thinking? Why would some one take such a risk? The test was performed a few days before the Vuelta al País Vasco, where Colom finished second to Contador, so it all kind of makes sense. I think the thing that is most fascinating are the questions about what could the UCI be announcing tomorrow? I can appreciate the fact that the UCI wants to be very cautious about making their drug testing results public, since people's lives are riding on this stuff. It would be my guess that they will have nothing to announce tomorrow, but they probably thought it best to get the Colom news out today, rather than hold a big meeting, say nothing, and then let it out a few days later. I would expect tomorrow to be a make nice event with AFLD. It wouldn't hurt if the UCI had some credentials going in to the meeting, like they caught somebody, too, hence Colom, in all likelihood, like some one said earlier. Mr. Kohl is starting to look like he's on the mark. What a pity. Apparently, there is no end to this stupidity. I, for one, am thinking that why should I get my bowels in an uproar about this years Tour de France, when there were so many disappointments last year that are so likely to be repeated. I mean, the fans denial of biker drug usage is as real as the biker denials. Both are debilitating to the sport. Once you admit its prevalence, you kind of lose your desire to witness the events. If we really want to think the worst, we can imagine the AFLD not calling out all the positives during the Tour, to avoid tarnishing it's image while in progress. Better to catch and announce the rest after its over and the fans are taking a snooze. So, will I watch? My wife is laughing! She knows I'll watch anyway because that is my drug. I mean, what the hey! The Hockey season does come to an end, eventually, and then what do you do?:rolleyes:

Uh....yea.........well......mmmmmm.............if it walks like a duck........
 
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If we really want to think the worst, we can imagine the AFLD not calling out all the positives during the Tour, to avoid tarnishing it's image while in progress.
That's to misunderstand the AFLD. It took down several riders during the Tour last summer and will continue to do so, it is not interested in promoting sports events but wants maximum exposure when it catches a cheat.
 
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I'm surprised riders still go positive for epo, there's a technique now where you can store your blood (freeze it) with minimal cell death so no epo at all is needed to keep your passport looking normal with normal rectics (immature red cells). He must have just been using blood that had a lot of cell death and was target tested for irregular values. Its sad.. he probably just didnt have the medical support the other top riders have.

To me they did not tell the team (its a major Russian team) and instead just jumped out with this to avoid an argument with the team over releasing a positive to the public.
 
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This is all rather pathetic. Colom just started a family. What was he thinking? Why would some one take such a risk?

Maybe because he had just started a new family and if he didn't dope he would have no job. Read some of Bernhard Kohls statements. No dope = no success = no money = hungry family.
 
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Maybe because he had just started a new family and if he didn't dope he would have no job. Read some of Bernhard Kohls statements. No dope = no success = no money = hungry family.

That's the problem that I have brought up when you make a rider choose between the livelihood of your family or the integrity of cycling, well they'll make the same decision we would all make.
 
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I'd guess he's been doping before. People were suspicious of his results when he was with Relax and the way the Astana team rode during the 2007 Dauphiné, when Colom won a stage, well that was soon exposed when Vinokourov and Kashechkin were caught weeks later. So family or not, doping was probably a normal choice made a long time ago.
 
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NO WAY Kolom was ever clean at a major European race guys... Showing up in at a big stage race in Europe without dope is like "miss America trying to win a beauty pagent without makeup." Its aint' gonna happen!

Guys..... Jacking your crit to high 50s gives you for sure 15% higher sustainable power, not less than a few guys who respond well will get 30% higher! If you've raced or have teamates that race with power meters you know there is no way in hell somebody with even 10% more power than you would not kick your a$$.

If the ENTIRE PRO PACK is jacked there's no way he'd even finish, he'd be dropped or outside the top 50 places with 100% certainty. Everybody at that level has undoped values within 5-10 points of each other. Seriously! Think of it like this... If "only a handful" were doped then those handful would win every single race and be 30-40 minutes ahead in every race. Over what? 170 riders finished the Giro! Thats insane, there is no way that all these guys are keeping up and "talking on their cellphones" while riding up mountains and their all totally clean except for a few "cheats". What an F-ing joke!!!
Use common since bros. He was never clean since he turned pro whenever that was, 18 year old I dont know. How long did he race for? Thats how long he doped LOL. When Kolom was "slower" it was because he was not as doped. LOL again.
 
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"certain riders" are quite simply the stronger riders - you don't need a passport to know that you should target the stronger riders in the bunch as they are statistically the most likely to be doping.

"Certain riders" would include 50-100 riders so it's much more efficient and cheaper to look at the blood passport values and target say 15 riders.
 

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Didn't Tyler say that he had threatening phone calls before his positive ?

I know ToniC is jacked but its not fair he was chosen to go down. Geez the UCI is useless......
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"The reason for the doubts generated by this analysis are not unfounded; after this year's Tour of Algarve I received a threatening call from a 'hidden' phone number saying that I was positive. This call was repeated after my performance in Paris-Nice."

The news of Colom's alleged positive control spread fast, and it's for this reason that the rider believes due process in testing may have been jeopardised. "During the start of the 2009 Giro, a rumour spread among the sports media, which said it had news of the positive [control]; this was communicated to me through Pipe Gomez, President of the Association of Professional Cyclists, who had received the information from Josu Garay, of [Spanish publication] Diario Marca, who refused to cite his source," Colom stated.

"The UCI was notified of this information and the calls... and after several days of investigation, the UCI ruled that it was all false and unfounded and that everything was ok; I informed my manager – Andrei Tchmil – that all is well, and that's when Josu Garay informed that everything was unfounded."
 
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Didn't Tyler say that he had threatening phone calls before his positive ?

I know ToniC is jacked but its not fair he was chosen to go down. Geez the UCI is useless......
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"The reason for the doubts generated by this analysis are not unfounded; after this year's Tour of Algarve I received a threatening call from a 'hidden' phone number saying that I was positive. This call was repeated after my performance in Paris-Nice."

The news of Colom's alleged positive control spread fast, and it's for this reason that the rider believes due process in testing may have been jeopardised. "During the start of the 2009 Giro, a rumour spread among the sports media, which said it had news of the positive [control]; this was communicated to me through Pipe Gomez, President of the Association of Professional Cyclists, who had received the information from Josu Garay, of [Spanish publication] Diario Marca, who refused to cite his source," Colom stated.

"The UCI was notified of this information and the calls... and after several days of investigation, the UCI ruled that it was all false and unfounded and that everything was ok; I informed my manager – Andrei Tchmil – that all is well, and that's when Josu Garay informed that everything was unfounded."

So is that what Anne Gripper has been reduced to? Prank calls? Or is all this just obfuscation?