Colombia - Coldeportes

[theyoungest]

They didn't do good but also it was pretty moronic from RCS to give them a wildcard for this particular race to begin with.

Moronic, and maybe even dangerously irresponsible, in a race known for its crazy descents.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Moronic, and maybe even dangerously irresponsible, in a race known for its crazy descents.

then they should not have given any wildcard. the riders riding today were all good descenders in coldeportes

 

[hrotha]

yet, did they do any worse than team type 1 for instance? no. both had a guy in teh break and sucked for the rest of the race and these aren't the races coldeportes are supposed to be good at yet this is where team type 1 should eb with their sprinters and rouleurs

Meh, they're pro-conti teams, and this is a monument. Non-Italian pro-conti teams are there merely to act as fillers and to get in the early break. Both teams did as was expected of them.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Meh, they're pro-conti teams, and this is a monument. Non-Italian pro-conti teams are there merely to act as fillers and to get in the early break. Both teams did as was expected of them.

I agree. besides it's good experience for the colombian guys. as most of them like romero and osorio have never done a race over 200 km before let;s hope it won't demotivate them

 

[PATOMACPATO]

Hey Ryo this is me I am back...

hey my friend what happend finally to your most admired friend Clopatofsky? ..was he finally fired?... And what about the CT team..they have not raced, and do you know why?.. as i told you, the new management of Coldeportes had to redo everything because nothing absolutely nothing was done observing the law.. And you said i was bs....!!.. And what about tht positive in RCN.. It seems I do have better info than you.. And Results?.....what da ya think??..i will come with fresh info SOON

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

lol, you are here again with your idiot rants? comcel has been doing a number of races this year and clopatofsky wasn't fired. in fact botero the man who replaced him confirmed all was done by the book and confirmed the support. you are some cep henchman or woman from luisa trying to stir bs rumors about the team again? sad...

 

[Kwibus]

Not sure if it's been said yet, but this Colombian team can not be compared to the one in the 80s.

This time the best colombian riders are in other teams besides Duarte.
If for example Coldeportes also had riders like Henao, Uran, Betancur, Serpa and Quintana in their lineup it would allready be an very good team we all would like to see in the big races.

It will be hard year for Coldeportes.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

some the best riders aren in european teams right now. and a lot of the others are in other colombian teams like epm, orgullo paisa, loteria boyaca, movistar ct and even comcel. however this team has great riders. especially duarte and suarez who are top in colombia. back in the 80s quite a bit of top colombian riders also joined bigger european teams and the colombians teams were still strong because they have an endless pool of talent to get riders from.

 

[hrotha]

as most of them like romero and osorio have never done a race over 200 km before let;s hope it won't demotivate them

Heh, it's not the first time you say something along those lines. Are Colombians, generally speaking, really *that* weak mentally?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

of course it can demotivate you when you expect a lot and it doesn;t work out at all.

 

[profff]

everybody should realize that adaptation to europe takes a long time.
back in 1983, the cafe the colombia team spent a lot of time in europe before achieving the podium in tour with parra ( in his 6th year in europe) and a win in the vuelta the following year with lucho herrera (in his 7th year in europe)
it took a long time to botero to become a factor in europe, and also uran is in europe since 6 or 7 year.

it has been said many time that the only top colombian riders in coldeportes are duarte and suarez and they both have some european experience.
in colombia the races are shorter, very rarely more than 150km, so stages like in tirreno, 190 or 220 km are really long distance for young colombian riders, not to speak for la primavera, almost 300km.

i still believe that in colombia there is plenty of talented riders ( infantino, now 28, completed his maturation process and he is now dominating the scene..) and i am still curious about seeing some of them in europe.
i am sure that riders like quintana , henao and the less talented but still promising riders of colombia coldepoortes ( atapuma, pantano , osorio) have the numbers to become a factor in european races, but they need time.
i have no problem to admit that i was too enthousiastic about an all colombian team in europe, but i still believe they will get results.
they just need time (at least wait until trentino) and they need to recruit the better colombian riders ( infaltrino , beltran, montana)

i am sure they can do something in criterium sunday stage , which is shorter.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what they needed to doa fter tirreno was stop racing and go for altitude tarinign camp for 2 weeks as you can clealry se ethey lack trainign basis, they drop in msr all on la mania because the tank was empty and after that camp rest up and start over again. fortunately after criteirum and settimana they won't have a race for nearly 3 weeks basically. so enough time to refocus. then come trentino, fleche, turkey, california etc. they should focus on there and for next year learn from their mistakes by coming to europe way too early.

also there are some other major talents in coldeportes like chavez. but he is very young still.

infantino doesn't want to go to coldeportes, just as quintana didn't want to go and many others

 

[PATOMACPATO]

Facts, facts

lol, you are here again with your idiot rants? comcel has been doing a number of races this year and clopatofsky wasn't fired. in fact botero the man who replaced him confirmed all was done by the book and confirmed the support. you are some cep henchman or woman from luisa trying to stir bs rumors about the team again? sad...

Dear Friend: If you ignore FACTS, then I guess will not waste time with you:

FACT 1: Clopatofsky wans'n fired: http://www.coldeportes.gov.co/coldeportes/index.php?idcategoria=51512
Translation: " I have not resigned ", in his own words . When you terminate and job & you don't resign, at least down here we call it FIRED. Not only that we was placed on the "political refrigerator" at a second tier consulalte.

FACT 2: Conti Team: 100%, please read again, 100% of former management was FIRED, replaced by Gustavo Villegas, appointed by Coldeportes. 100% of the contracts with a "Sporting Club" related to Victor Pena were cancelled, and some of them, were rehired by the COC. You dont see Diana, Brother of Victor Pena, Herana Buenahora, etc, etc on the NEW CT TEAM, totally reshuffled by Coldeprotes and COC because legal problems! tHEY DID NOT COMPETE AT LA VUELTA AL VALLE! Why, because they were rebulding everything from scratch, now under professional management.

FACT 3: Please read http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...ested-changes-to-milan-san-remo-finale_209718

As for Luisa, this is her report card: Outspoken leader against doping (eventually why you dislike her), One U23 World, Two consecutive Tour del Avenir. Her team recognized as one of the most efficient and transparent public programs by Departement of Commerce.. Do I admire her.. YES A LOT, and for your info, She along the people of Dept of Commerce where the ones that managed to have Clopatofsky FIRED!

Lastly.. I do hope Coldeportes regain it's financial shape after all the stupidities of Colpatofksy, so they have resources to commit to Cycling for 2013, and in that case you'll see CORTI in charge.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

you are very sad. your comments about luisa make me assured you truly are full of it. luisa can't stand the fact she's losing all her power. her team is on her last legs and rightfully so as she was more interested in making enemies than getting proper invites for her team in europe. there's nothing to admire about her and her doping talks have turned out to be utter bs as the coldeportes team have openly hired riders from "doped" team like gw shimano, epm etc and they are all part of bio passport and nothing of doping of course and also no rider was caught of epm or orgullo paisa in usa and spain last year despite her claims. she also claimed contracts within coldeportes were wrong and afte rall thes emonths that turned out into bs as well. she spread rumors around journalists in europe she had contacts with but appearantly it;s even more pathetic as she send someone on cn.com forum to keep spreading those bs rumors

she is so pathetic as to actually put on her teams website as biggest news when coldeportes wasn't invited to the giro. she shoudl rather focus her energy on making her team do anythign feasable this year in europe as their line-up is laughable at best.

edit: I take a look at your links and they are from december 2011. lol so much bs again. there's 2 sentences in that whole article in which clopatofsky says he will keep staying involved in promoting colombian sports. he was replaced by botero, for whatever reasons. most liekly reasons btw is because clopatofsky had made enemies within football clubs. fact is the team continued stronger than ever despite your claims that the team would collapse because colombian government would pull the project. and I;m glad beltran is caught as he was the reason sevilla finished 2nd in vuelta colombia 2010 with obvious blood transfer in final day, on which sevilla was caight with same substance as mosquera, who is from galicia. and guess where beltran workerd?? galicia

and about luisa and doping. I know what she said and supossedly henao was doped to the moon well we will see this year how he will succeed with sky who tested himself 2 years ago alreayd and I'm sure they wouldn't have signed him if they even had the slightest fear of doping.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Losing 1:30 to NetApp and even 15 sec to team Oster Hus today. Corti really ruined these guys.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

this morning they had 4 guys in first group. something must've happened or corti should get the **** fired. it's quite ridiculous that by now instead of stopping all racing and setting up a trainingcamp, they continue sucking around everywhere.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

see today settimana

37 RODRIGUEZ GALINDO MICHAEL COLOMBIA - COLDEPORTES 2
47 OSPINA NAVARRO DALIVIER COLOMBIA - COLDEPORTES 20
50 GONZALEZ BARRERA JAVIER COLOMBIA - COLDEPORTES 27

107 SUAREZ SUAREZ JUAN PABLO COLOMBIA - COLDEPORTES 8'50
109 CHALAPUD GOMEZ ROBINSON EDUARDO COLOMBIA - COLDEPORTES 8'50
NA FORERO CARRENO JUAN PABLO COLOMBIA - COLDEPORTES

this is total proove of how bad the training basis is of the colombians. the guys with 0/1 racing days like ospina, maikol and gonzalez are the best in the team. I think corti realises it now and forutnately after this 2-3 weeks no more coldeportes. by then it should be restored let's hope

 

[Escarabajo]

That's the problem, they cannot stop and go training somewhere else. They made a compromise with the races that were invited to; otherwise nobody will take them serious in the future. They already made the mistake and now they have to fight through it.

 

[Escarabajo]

this morning they had 4 guys in first group. something must've happened or corti should get the **** fired. it's quite ridiculous that by now instead of stopping all racing and setting up a trainingcamp, they continue sucking around everywhere.

That's the problem, they cannot stop and go training somewhere else. They made a compromise with the races that were invited to; otherwise nobody will take them seriously in the future. They already made the mistake and now they have to fight through it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That's the problem, they cannot stop and go training somewhere else. They made a compromise with the races that were invited to; otherwise nobody will take them seriously in the future. They already made the mistake and now they have to fight through it.

yes indeed. fortunately after this weekend it is over for 3 weeks. until trentino and fleche. hopefully corti can repair things and win some big race then all is forgotten

 

[FF'Wilco]

19th and 21st in Criterium. First signs of form ? Hope so.

 

[Angliru]

Could it be that it is taking them a period to adapt to the increase in overall speed of the peloton here in Europe compared to South America? It seems that by the time they reach the terrain where one would expect them to excel that they are already toast.

 

[hfer07]

this morning they had 4 guys in first group. something must've happened or corti should get the **** fired. it's quite ridiculous that by now instead of stopping all racing and setting up a trainingcamp, they continue sucking around everywhere.

That's the problem, they cannot stop and go training somewhere else. They made a compromise with the races that were invited to; otherwise nobody will take them seriously in the future. They already made the mistake and now they have to fight through it.

Could it be that it is taking them a period to adapt to the increase in overall speed of the peloton here in Europe compared to South America? It seems that by the time they reach the terrain where one would expect them to excel that they are already toast.

I wrote a while ago on my concerns about Corti's approach to cycling, based on how wrongfully he handled his riders-specially Mauricio Soler's career during the Barloworld years, where he nearly "killed him" by erroneously putting him to ride during illness & injuries, in complete disregard of any required preparation or recuperation in mind. Cummings also spoke of that treatment back then...
I also recall Unzeo stating "how badly Soler's condition was in" when he signed for Movistar & recognized he needed a serious "reconstruction"-almost from scratch-due to the damage done to his body & mind during his years in Barloworld...



so-What I see so far is a Team with such potential being "mismanaged" entirely-before, during & after the races, without any solid foundations & clear direction to build it up in order to enter the races properly trained & perform accordingly....... If Coldeportes is serious about this team-they need to start asking the hard questions to the riders about this matter & get to the bottom of it, before is too late & get burned out before they even get a chance to ride again

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Could it be that it is taking them a period to adapt to the increase in overall speed of the peloton here in Europe compared to South America? It seems that by the time they reach the terrain where one would expect them to excel that they are already toast.

no


.......

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I wrote a while ago on my concerns about Corti's approach to cycling, based on how wrongfully he handled his riders-specially Mauricio Soler's career during the Barloworld years, where he nearly "killed him" by erroneously putting him to ride during illness & injuries, in complete disregard of any required preparation or recuperation in mind. Cummings also spoke of that treatment back then...
I also recall Unzeo stating "how badly Soler's condition was in" when he signed for Movistar & recognized he needed a serious "reconstruction"-almost from scratch-due to the damage done to his body & mind during his years in Barloworld...



so-What I see so far is a Team with such potential being "mismanaged" entirely-before, during & after the races, without any solid foundations & clear direction to build it up in order to enter the races properly trained & perform accordingly....... If Coldeportes is serious about this team-they need to start asking the hard questions to the riders about this matter & get to the bottom of it, before is too late & get burned out before they even get a chance to ride again

corti is no idiot and I'm sure he realises it but there was nothing he could do anymore as he already got all the invitations. now they are 2 and a half weeks without a race. now is all about doing a good trainingcamp and resting.