Colombia - Coldeportes

[Ryo Hazuki]

Out of interest, what sort of money would Coldesportes and other Colombian riders would be on?

is hard to say a bit varie a lot in team. I think coldeportes pay a lot because they have huge budget compared to other colombian teams. to give an idea edward beltran at epm une who is only 20 make 50.000 euros a year, which is like making 150.000 in us or europe. of course beltran is exceptional talent. lesser u23 riders make 20.000 a year which is still good money. the top riders I don't know really but I suppose more. a lot is based on experience and fame. like ivan parra make alot of money for sure not per se because of his results. this is standard a bit in colombia.

 

[PATOMACPATO]

beltran is not involved in the team at all

Ryo.. really hope is not.. but he's been around and has worked in the past for some riders in the team... I don't understand why you defend him..he's cleary "crossed" the line in the past.....

 

[PATOMACPATO]

Out of interest, what sort of money would Coldesportes and other Colombian riders would be on?

For the Conti Pro team they have to honor UCI minimum, but in top of that they have to pay additional "fringe" benefits of Colombian labor laws, which makes total paymente well above any other team in Colombia.. would guess in the range of EURO $30.000 for domestiques.. Fabio Duarte likely in the $100' ...

As for the other team, payment should be in line with other teams.. $15. to $20K Euros a year..

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Ryo.. really hope is not.. but he's been around and has worked in the past for some riders in the team... I don't understand why you defend him..he's cleary "crossed" the line in the past.....

where exactly?

 

[PATOMACPATO]

that had nothing to do with it. cep management are bunch of stubbonrs that didn't want help anymore from coldeportes when they said they didn't want them to be leading the pct team because they clearly are inadequate and miss the neccesary network that someone like corti has to ride the big races. now the cep team continues with 472 as sponsor and will do coupe de paix and have a horrible team next year

If they're that inadequate why they won one u23 championship, two consecutive Tour del Avenir ( in 2010 they smashed all other teams).. and they clearly had the U23 categories as their main transition goals..???

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

For the Conti Pro team they have to honor UCI minimum, but in top of that they have to pay additional "fringe" benefits of Colombian labor laws, which makes total paymente well above any other team in Colombia.. would guess in the range of EURO $30.000 for domestiques.. Fabio Duarte likely in the $100' ...

As for the other team, payment should be in line with other teams.. $15. to $20K Euros a year..

it depend. some teams like epm pay a lot more money. their minimum is 15-20k euros and top riders I think over 100.000. duarte in coldeportes I can imagine make a lot more because he also had good offers from eurpean teams and he's really the man of coldeportes and what all is based on next year. I think suarez gets paid well too because he was the only big rider leaving epm while they tried very hard to get others too like infantino especially

 

[profff]

henao last year was supposed to be around 120k euros , very high salary for colombia.
coldeportes probably pays uci minimum salary for domestique, more for duarte.
this is good money for colombia, but i guess that quintana went to movistar because they pay him more and infantino and beltran stayed with uni epm for the same reason.
remember that usaually savio's teams pay for south americans the minimum salary allowed. ( obviouslly not fot the big guns as ruyano and maybe serpa. but il principe is very well known for that.)

 

[Eric8-A]

henao last year was supposed to be around 120k euros

What's his salary going to be in Sky?

 

[greenedge]

first races for coldeportes: Giro Provincia Reggio Calabria (9-12), Trofeo Laigueglia (18), Tour Haut Var (18-19), Giro Sardegna (21-25), GP Insubrica (25) y GP Lugano (26 ).

They get to go to Haut Var whilst Europcar don't??? No offence to them but Europcar had one of their most successful seasons to date and should also get an invite. Based on what is on this thread as well though Coldportes should be invited to most races. It's great that there is good backing for the team.

Lugano will be won by one of the Coldportes riders. I wonder whether Androni will also show up.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

the teams already announced? I cant see europcar missing out. Not like all the WT teams go to this anyway.

not a bad line up of races anyway.
I hope they can get the TA invite too. That would be a good sign for thier giro prospects.

 

[craig1985]

henao last year was supposed to be around 120k euros , very high salary for colombia.
coldeportes probably pays uci minimum salary for domestique, more for duarte.
this is good money for colombia, but i guess that quintana went to movistar because they pay him more and infantino and beltran stayed with uni epm for the same reason.
remember that usaually savio's teams pay for south americans the minimum salary allowed. ( obviouslly not fot the big guns as ruyano and maybe serpa. but il principe is very well known for that.)

Money aside it's probably a better opportunity for him. Movistar are guaranteed an invite to all three GT's so he will probably get a ride there, but the chance to develop without much pressure on him and get used to riding in Europe and living in a foreign country even though they speak the same language.

 

[Eric8-A]

I wanna see them get an invite to Trentino

 

[hfer07]

I'm pleased with the current exposure the team is getting throughout the media- & seems to me that Corti is trying to get the italian media interested in providing invitations to them. Exiting moments ahead for Colombian cycling indeed!!!!!

 

[greenedge]

The colombian minister ( Jairo ) seems to have a real passion for the sport of cycling. Good on him for supporting the team.

 

[greenedge]

the teams already announced? I cant see europcar missing out. Not like all the WT teams go to this anyway.

Voeckler in a recent article somewhere ( sorry i can't remember where ) had a gripe about the fact they were finding it hard to get invitations to races in Feb.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

henao last year was supposed to be around 120k euros , very high salary for colombia.
coldeportes probably pays uci minimum salary for domestique, more for duarte.
this is good money for colombia, but i guess that quintana went to movistar because they pay him more and infantino and beltran stayed with uni epm for the same reason.
remember that usaually savio's teams pay for south americans the minimum salary allowed. ( obviouslly not fot the big guns as ruyano and maybe serpa. but il principe is very well known for that.)

quintana definetely didn't go to movistar for money but because he doesn't like coldeportes after what they did with colombia es passion he's a very loyal guy.

and savio indeed pays minimum wages to exotic riders especially. that's one of reasons why you don't see colombians in his team anymore. he doesn't pay serpa or rubiano minimum wage trust me.

coldeportes have 4 million in budget a year so should have more than enough money for good salarys. beltran and infantino not going to coldeportes have different reasons at leats for beltran he prefer to stay in colombia and for infantino I don't know.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm pleased with the current exposure the team is getting throughout the media- & seems to me that Corti is trying to get the italian media interested in providing invitations to them. Exiting moments ahead for Colombian cycling indeed!!!!!

yes it's going very well. journalists from lequipe, cn.com gazzetta etc were all in teampresentation in bogota and they dedicated entire page to the team in the paper few days ago. corti is already doing excellent work and the team has got alot of media buzz in europe

 

[PATOMACPATO]

yes it's going very well. journalists from lequipe, cn.com gazzetta etc were all in teampresentation in bogota and they dedicated entire page to the team in the paper few days ago. corti is already doing excellent work and the team has got alot of media buzz in europe

Jairo Clopatofsky makes me laugh.. he appointed himself 'minister of sport' Ja ja ja...there's no such post in Colombia..and then he compares himslef to Mandela.. that's funny, very funny.. if you knew his career as a congresman.. lousy and obsucre to say the least. His had terrible results at the recent polls..

But indeed they did an excellent job with the Intl press.. amaizing.. but I hoped this project was in hands of a more serious person, history will tell..

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

it's not in hands of clopatofsky but of colombian government. it's their money. last year all money went to football to host wc u17 in boyaca which became a disaster for colombia and they have changed the steering wheel for good. all focus is now on cycling as it should be. clearly you hate clopatofsky but that's irrelevant

 

[PATOMACPATO]

it's not in hands of clopatofsky but of colombian government. it's their money. last year all money went to football to host wc u17 in boyaca which became a disaster for colombia and they have changed the steering wheel for good. all focus is now on cycling as it should be. clearly you hate clopatofsky but that's irrelevant

Ryo... you live in a different country and do not know politics down here.. It's true cycling deserves much more support from the government and soccer gets an unfair share, but believe me, Clopatofsky is not the right person.. This IS NOT govermente money, he directs Coldeportes with its own budget.. there are people in the government that opposes what he is doing, but our President respects each of his people, and that's good. Besides, THIS IS NOT COLDEPORTES mission, it was not created to support professional teams.. this money invested in other programs, supporting eduaction through sports makes much more sense.. there are much more critical programs where this money could be invested, AND JAIRO IS DOING POLITICS!..

 

[PATOMACPATO]

Not irrelevant!

it's not in hands of clopatofsky but of colombian government. it's their money. last year all money went to football to host wc u17 in boyaca which became a disaster for colombia and they have changed the steering wheel for good. all focus is now on cycling as it should be. clearly you hate clopatofsky but that's irrelevant

The President of the country is tired of the stupidities of Jairo...i dont think he will last that long!

 

[greenedge]

I wonder whether Coldportes will do all the American races???

 

[Michele]

I think it was already mentioned that probably its their Continental team which will ride some USA race.
Did I get it right?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I think it was already mentioned that probably its their Continental team which will ride some USA race.
Did I get it right?

yeah comcel will do the american races. team of ardila, diego calderon, camilo gomez, neisa, didier chaparro, ronald gomez, felix baron, castaneda. amazing team too

 

[jens_attacks]

nice talk going out here guys.

Thanks for your info... I really hope what you say about Beltran isn't true though (assuming you are talking about the ex-Selle Italia and Orbitel doctor).

duartista,why???
i already said this will be a professional(!!!!) team.you come here in europe with that voodoo-rainforest diet,big mistake, the today's peloton will eat you alive.people still talking 1994 blablabla,but if they come again in europe with the colombia es pasion attitude,they won't make it to the first climb of the day,they will be all over the place.it would break my heart to see them coming here as sacrificial lambs.but it won't happen.that's why they hired corti.

this is the future.medical science,biochemistry,technology of all sorts.of course not everyone has sky's budget but you have to find the best ways to improve your riders condition.so chapeau whoever puts the money for this!


PATOMACPATO,your inside infos are welcomed,nice to hear.but you make huge drama out of nothing.indeed clopataofsky probably is corrupt to the bones,he's doing politics ok...but you do realize that this guy is small compared to others involved in european,american pro cycling?we got russian mobsters,kazakh oil gangsters,becca,rihs,murdoch,italian gentleman that make offers you can't refuse and so on?you can't expect a a shy,humble guy to come here and play at bosses table,you need a fox.that's what jairo MUST be.

first races for coldeportes: Giro Provincia Reggio Calabria (9-12), Trofeo Laigueglia (18), Tour Haut Var (18-19), Giro Sardegna (21-25), GP Insubrica (25) y GP Lugano (26 ).

again,can't wait,especially those italian races