Commentary on TNT and other WB brands

[The Hitch]

Liggett ID'd Bakelants as completely the wrong guy today as well, right up until he was confirmed in the timings. To be fair Kirby on Eurosport didn't ID him either and just referred to him as a Radioshack rider. Not sure which is better.

Considering ligget can't I'd alejandro valverde, there is absolutely 0 chance of him knowing who bakelands is.

 

[bolingbroke]

In vague defence, both were relying on the graphics which said Irizar from the moment that escape formed.

Oh I understand it's difficult. I had no idea who he was either. But isn't that why they are paid to commentate?

 

[valentius borealis]

In vague defence, both were relying on the graphics which said Irizar from the moment that escape formed.

Ligget had actually identified Bakelants correctly before seeing the graphic that had erroneously identified him as Irizar.

 

[Gugashwill]

Carlton Kirby is a dolt.
Saying that Belkin stepped in instead of Blanco, openly showing his dislike towards certain riders, pronouncing names and surnames like they all are Anglo-Saxon even when the riders come from completely unrelated ethnic groups...
He's not just a dolt, he's also bad-mannered. More sensitive viewers would call him a racist.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Carlton Kirby is a dolt.
Saying that Belkin stepped in instead of Blanco, openly showing his dislike towards certain riders, pronouncing names and surnames like they all are Anglo-Saxon even when the riders come from completely unrelated ethnic groups...
He's not just a dolt, he's also bad-mannered. More sensitive viewers would call him a racist.

Really? I think you need to give a much bigger explanation to warrant a slanderous comment like that. I am English and I pronounce names in an English accent, If its a French rider a I wouldn't pretend I was suddenly brought up in Paris. Same with Spanish/Colombian ect.

 

[The Hitch]

Really? I think you need to give a much bigger explanation to warrant a slanderous comment like that. I am English and I pronounce names in an English accent, If its a French rider a I wouldn't pretend I was suddenly brought up in Paris. Same with Spanish/Columbian ect.

you mean Colombian?

 

[Pricey_sky]

you mean Colombian?

Thanks Hitch, its been a long day

 

[Gugashwill]

Really?

Yes, really.

I think you need to give a much bigger explanation to warrant a slanderous comment like that.

Who are you to demand an explanation, and why should I explain anything to you?
But I'll do it, just to show you that I know what I'm talking about.

First of all, I wrote: "More sensitive viewers would call him a racist."
I didn't make an allegation that he is a racist, so I should defend my stance by your demand, just a remark that some viewers might be offended and understand his comments in racist way.

I'll continue the explanation with this:

I am English and I pronounce names in an English accent, If its a French rider a I wouldn't pretend I was suddenly brought up in Paris. Same with Spanish/Colombian ect.

There is no problem if you do it like a private person in informal communication, but if you are an official voice of international company it becomes a problem.
We're talking about tendency to assimilate everything in somebody's own cultural frame, neglecting object's identity and identity of those (in any way) related with the object (relatives, fans, compatriots...), thus negating their singularity as a cultural group, thus insulting them on a very fundamental basis of identity.
That way of perceiving things also points out the own cultural frame as a reference and dominant one. It's cultural racism.
Once again to repeat, not everyone would take it that way, but there are some certainly, and it's a problem 'cause he's not chatting with buddies in a pub, but commenting to multicultural, multimillion audience.
Clear?

 

[Netserk]

Do you even know what racism means?

 

[scholar]

First of all, I wrote: "More sensitive viewers would call him a racist."
I didn't make an allegation that he is a racist, so I should defend my stance by your demand, just a remark that some viewers might be offended and understand his comments in racist way.

Either you think he's a racist, in which case, as Netserk points out, you clearly don't know what racism means.

Or you're inventing people with whom you disagree who think he's a racist, who (because you disagree with them) you think are wrong, in which case the incorrect views of these people are utterly irrelevant to anything.

In both cases there's no reason for anyone to pay any attention to what you said.

 

[Gugashwill]

Do you even know what racism means?

Do you even know what "cultural racism" means?
I've just explained it on an example.

Stop fooling me around. You really don't have a clue about the things we're talking about.
You've just started to shave as I can see.

 

[Pricey_sky]

I'm not going to open a tin of worms here as this isn't the place or time however saying someone's name in your normal national accent is not racism. Whether you are commentating or just talking to your mates in the pub it just isn't. You shouldn't even mention that 'some' may find it racist as that implies you think it may be borderline too.

It may be a little unprofessional in the eyes of some however I have much bigger moans regarding a few commentators than whether they actually pronounce a riders name in his national accent.

Your obviously entitled to your opinion however if Eurosport had ANY little doubt about one of their commentators coming across in that way he would not be working for them any more.

 

[The Principal Sheep]

First of all, I wrote: "More sensitive viewers would call him a racist." I didn't make an allegation that he is a racist, so I should defend my stance by your demand, just a remark that some viewers might be offended and understand his comments in racist way.

Actually you did, unless you can point us to who these sensitive viewers are and proof of them saying it then the allegation of calling him a racist falls on your shoulders.

 

[Gugashwill]

Actually you did, unless you can point us to who these sensitive viewers are and proof of them saying it then the allegation of calling him a racist falls on your shoulders.

Actually I didn't.
I can tell you the names, but it doesn't change anything.
And the proof you can get if you take this to the court.
This is just a forum.

 

[Netserk]

@Gugashwill

Please show me a definition of racism that mentions how you pronounce names

 

[Cyivel]

My word. ..

 

[The Principal Sheep]

Actually I didn't.
I can tell you the names, but it doesn't change anything.
And the proof you can get if you take this to the court.
This is just a forum.

No need for names, as you say this is just a forum and I don't see the need to seek legal counsel at this time. Please inform your sensitive associates they need not worry.

 

[Gugashwill]

@Gugashwill

Please show me a definition of racism that mentions how you pronounce names

Please, stop fooling me around and trolling on the subject.
I've very clearly explained the matter of cultural racism.
Your lack of willingness to accept the fact you're wrong or that you are not exactly conversant with the topic just shows the magnitude of your immaturity, vanity and disrespect.

 

[Cyivel]

Anyhoo...

As much as I am not a fan of Kirby his enthusiasm in the last couple of kilometres was kind of enjoyable.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Anyhoo...

As much as I am not a fan of Kirby his enthusiasm in the last couple of kilometres was kind of enjoyable.

He at least shows a little enthusiasm when the race hots up and something happens so its not as bad as I though it would be.

 

[scholar]

I've very clearly explained the matter of cultural racism.

No you haven't. In fact, you've not 'explained the matter of cultural racism' at all.

 

[Gugashwill]

No you haven't. In fact, you've not 'explained the matter of cultural racism' at all.

Yes I have.
But your reading comprehension is preventing you to notice.

 

[scholar]

Yes I have.
But your reading comprehension is preventing you to notice.

Is this where I have to say what my day-job is and pull rank?
On balance I think it isn't. It's obvious enough what's going on here.

And explained. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[Gugashwill]

Is this where I have to say what my day-job is and pull rank?
On balance I think it isn't. It's obvious enough what's going on here.

And explained. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Be my guest. Say what it is.
But I'd rather see you pointing out the mistakes in my understanding of the concept and discussing it.
Doing a job doesn't automatically mean understanding of all its aspects.

 

[manafana]

kelly does come out of his shell more with with kirby, but harmon was better at spotting the riders.

Aussie lad who does some racing was amazing at spotting riders i miss him.