Compare a current cyclist to a retired cyclist

[Carols]

Re:

Chris Froome - Lance Armstrong

Not really Lance showed talent at age 16.

 

[May0maniac]

Aru reminds me more of Fernando Escartin, but maybe it's just the climbing syle.
Kittel is like a castrated Cipollini, pc and without the scandals, but also without his appeal.
Landa is a Basque Gilberto Simoni.

 

[Brullnux]

Matthews is learning how to do cobbles. He's come 8th in Gent-Wevelgem this year. Kristoff (with Paolini) was like Freire in terms of distance and stamina, but was better on the cobbles and couldn't climb as well.

 

[kingjr]

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Aru reminds me more of Fernando Escartin, but maybe it's just the climbing syle.
Kittel is like a castrated Cipollini, pc and without the scandals, but also without his appeal.
Landa is a Basque Gilberto Simoni.

Escartin would be Mollema in terms of style (he even has the nose), although Escartin rode more out of the saddle.

 

[laurensde+]

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Djamolidine Abdoujaparov / Nacer Bouhanni

Ha. That's harsh, on both of them, Abdou being way quicker and way way crazier.

 

[ppanther92]

Re:

Merckx - Pippo Pozzato

:geek:

 

[ice&fire]

The all-rounder capabilities and bike handling skills of Menchov could be matched to those of Zakarin

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Re: Re:

Djamolidine Abdoujaparov / Nacer Bouhanni

Ha. That's harsh, on both of them, Abdou being way quicker and way way crazier.

Sprinting has changed a lot since Abdou's day though, Bouhanni is about as crazy as you can get away with being these days. He also has the Tashkent Terror's versatility as he can get over a fair few obstacles even in hilly-ish races (top 5 to Cabarceno in the Vuelta, sprinting with the likes of Valverde for example).

As for Freire/Matthews, I'd say Coquard is probably closer skillset wise, but if I may be allowed the women the nearest in terms of direct comparison to Óscarcito is Giorgia Bronzini, who like Freire is a multiple World Champion who is excellent at burying herself in the pack, is able to get over plenty of obstacles to sprint at the end, and is better the longer and tougher a sprint stage gets.

Zakarin is far too aggressive for Menchov, plus his style is ungodly, although their bike handling skills are similar. Zakarin is more like if you managed to draw an exact halfway point between Vino and Kash.

 

[Red Rick]

I maintain that Ilnur Zakarin is the illegitimate lovechild of Andy Schleck and Chris Froome.

 

[Tonton]

Dumourain anyone?

Bardet-Chioccioli isn't bad, French/italian and Giro/Tour
Porte-Ocana I wish Ritchie GT success, similarities definitely. Strong ITT and climbing, big crash .

Pinot-Merckx is a no-brainer of course...21 down, 504 to go .

 

[Carols]

Re:

Aru reminds me more of Fernando Escartin, but maybe it's just the climbing syle.
Kittel is like a castrated Cipollini, pc and without the scandals, but also without his appeal.
Landa is a Basque Gilberto Simoni.

This I can see.

 

[Ikbengodniet]

Fernando Escartin - Bauke Mollema

 

[staubsauger]

Heinrich Trumheller - Romain Sicard

 

[sienna]

Re:

Chris Froome - Lance Armstrong

:lol:

 

[sienna]

Re: Re:

Djamolidine Abdoujaparov / Nacer Bouhanni

Ha. That's harsh, on both of them, Abdou being way quicker and way way crazier.

DA was probably the fastest straight line sprinter of all time.

 

[memyselfandI]

How the hell you compare riders that have not achieved zip compared another?

Freire/Mathews :lol: multi WC superman vs..bling?
Zabo/Demare :lol: multi green vs no green?

And Landa is not Gibo, so far behind yet, probably never going to catch..

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Kinda yeah, and they both were nowhere in the heat.

Rominger came close to winning a GT very early in his career which Spilak has never done. Plus, he won week long stage races in better participation than Spilak's. Also, he tended to drop the GC contenders time and again in GT 1st weeks.

But yeah, overall Spilak has the same characteristics as a younger Rominger and the same weakness to warm weather and GT third weeks. Spilak's a weaker version but does have the same characteristics.

The younger Rominger was attacking all the time. In 1989 Giro di Lombardia he dropped everyone on Valcava with 110 kilometers to go and rode away solo. That year the last 60 kilometers were flat into Milano and there was a headwind. Still Rominger managed to drive that home with 2:30 of advantage. I don't see this style in Spilak.

Despite all these GT weakness, Rominger still won four of them and 21 stages in GT's.

BTW: That 1993 Vuelta battle between him and Zülle was amazing and that course probably the best ever in Vuelta history.

 

[rainman]

Tom Simpson - Michal Kwiatkowski

 

[loge1884]

Re:

Fausto Coppi - Louis Meintjens

actually I thought he was the revival of Gino Bartali ... :lol:

 

[Ruby United]

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How the hell you compare riders that have not achieved zip compared another?

Freire/Mathews :lol: multi WC superman vs..bling?
Zabo/Demare :lol: multi green vs no green?

And Landa is not Gibo, so far behind yet, probably never going to catch..

We were asked to compare some of the most successful cyclists in history only with riders of the current generation.
Of course their achievements and talents will not be the same. But it is as close as we can get in terms of talent.

The amount of World Championships, GT stage wins, GT's wins between the riders on the list etc, is ridicoulous.

 

[Cookster15]

Tony Rominger was one of the few who made Miguel Indurain actually grimace during his reign (in 1993 Tdf). He won three successive Vuelta's and The Giro in dominating fashion in 1995 - wore pink from stage 2 to Milan. Plus Rominger demolished Indurain's hour record.

In 2017 I know plenty about Rominger even though he retired 20 years ago. But I know very little about Simon Spilek even though he rides today. They may have similar riding characteristics but in outright performance and palmares relative to the competition then and now there really is zero comparison.

 

[hrotha]

I did say Spilak would need a late career transformation to truly fit the mold.

 

[loge1884]

Re:

Oscar Freire - Michael Matthews
Danilo di Luca - Julian Alaphilippe
Carlos Sastre - Adam Yates
Francesco Moser - Gianni Moscon
Thor Hushovd - Arnaud Démare
Stefano Garzelli - Thibaut Pinot

Gianni Moscon has a looooong way to go there .....
and I want to see Arnaud Démare not in the grupetto (let alone winning it) of a stage in the Pyrénees, before you start comparing him to Thor Hushovd ...

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

Tiesj Benoot - Jurgen Van Goolen

 

[kingjr]

Re: Re:

Djamolidine Abdoujaparov / Nacer Bouhanni

Ha. That's harsh, on both of them, Abdou being way quicker and way way crazier.

DA was probably the fastest straight line sprinter of all time.

A shame he never sprinted in a straight line. He would have won even more