Thanks, I rechecked it again 2 times just now. I am not 100% sure which side street the finish was on, but it should be between 1478 and 1484. So my estimate is on the upper end and I will think about removing a few meters.
I watched the video and depending on the exact location of the last right turn, it is either 1484–1485 or 1475–1476. But I’m not sure about the final turn.
Today we reach the 2010s, specifically the years from 2011 until 2019 which are now often called the 'Sky Era'. Sky dominated until the Tour de France 2019 with 7 wins in 8 years, before the Vuelta 2019 marked a change of the guard.
The peak level in this decade was more or less consistent, but the densitity of riders 'capable of climbing' did increase in the second half of the decade.
2011| Joaquim Rodriguez | 83 (0): 6.4 W/kg for 32:07 on Collet d'Allevard
2012| Joaquim Rodriguez | 80 (-10): 7.75 W/kg for 6:46 on Mirador de Ezaro
2013| Chris Horner | 81 (-3): 6.23 W/kg for 42:15 on Angliru
2014 | Nairo Quintana | 83 (-7): 6.23 W/kg for 52:39 on Grappa ITT
........... | Fabio Aru | 83 (-7): 6.23 W/kg for 52:40 on Grappa ITT
2015 | Nairo Quintana | 83 (+3): 6.14 W/kg for 41:20 on Terminillo
2016 | Richie Porte | 81 (+3): 6.33 W/kg for 30:20 on Finhaut Emosson
........... | Nairo Qintana | 81 (-2): 6.56 W/kg for 25:43 on Covadonga
2017 | Richie Porte | 88 (-11): 7.84 W/kg for 7:41 on Willunga
2018 | Gonzalo Najar | 87 (+6): 6.25 W/kg for 36:58 on Colorado (very uncertain)
2019 | Miguel Angel Lopez | 85 (+7): 6.53 W/kg for 22:39 on Javalambre
Notes:
1) Rodriguez was in amazing form in the 2011 Dauphine with 2 stage victories, rare for someone coming out of the Giro.
2) Horner makes the list with his legendary performance on the Angliru.
3) 2014 had more good performances then the years prior, perhaps a surprise for Quintana and Aru to top the list.
4) Richie Porte in 2016 and especially in 2017 was in really good overall shape. His performance on Leysin in 2017 Tour of Romandie could potentially be even better than Willunga Hill.
5) Najar in San Juan put on a display of force on Alto de Colorado. This calculation is quite uncertain (tailwind + shallow gradients).
6) Lopez on Javalmbre was a really strong performance, dropping Roglic and young Pogacar. Even in the 2023 Vuelta with the Jumbo sweep they did not even come close to this time.
The peak level in this decade was more or less consistent, but the densitity of riders 'capable of climbing' did increase in the second half of the decade.
2011| Joaquim Rodriguez | 83 (0): 6.4 W/kg for 32:07 on Collet d'Allevard
2012| Joaquim Rodriguez | 80 (-10): 7.75 W/kg for 6:46 on Mirador de Ezaro
2013| Chris Horner | 81 (-3): 6.23 W/kg for 42:15 on Angliru
2014 | Nairo Quintana | 83 (-7): 6.23 W/kg for 52:39 on Grappa ITT
........... | Fabio Aru | 83 (-7): 6.23 W/kg for 52:40 on Grappa ITT
2015 | Nairo Quintana | 83 (+3): 6.14 W/kg for 41:20 on Terminillo
2016 | Richie Porte | 81 (+3): 6.33 W/kg for 30:20 on Finhaut Emosson
........... | Nairo Qintana | 81 (-2): 6.56 W/kg for 25:43 on Covadonga
2017 | Richie Porte | 88 (-11): 7.84 W/kg for 7:41 on Willunga
2018 | Gonzalo Najar | 87 (+6): 6.25 W/kg for 36:58 on Colorado (very uncertain)
2019 | Miguel Angel Lopez | 85 (+7): 6.53 W/kg for 22:39 on Javalambre
Notes:
1) Rodriguez was in amazing form in the 2011 Dauphine with 2 stage victories, rare for someone coming out of the Giro.
2) Horner makes the list with his legendary performance on the Angliru.
3) 2014 had more good performances then the years prior, perhaps a surprise for Quintana and Aru to top the list.
4) Richie Porte in 2016 and especially in 2017 was in really good overall shape. His performance on Leysin in 2017 Tour of Romandie could potentially be even better than Willunga Hill.
5) Najar in San Juan put on a display of force on Alto de Colorado. This calculation is quite uncertain (tailwind + shallow gradients).
6) Lopez on Javalmbre was a really strong performance, dropping Roglic and young Pogacar. Even in the 2023 Vuelta with the Jumbo sweep they did not even come close to this time.
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Could you list Chris Froome's greatest performances for these years, @Peyresourde. Just as a point of comparison?
The adjustment is not for the stage, but the approach (already climbing for several k) and the altidtude. 2023 gets an even higher adjustment. But you are right that they basically crawled to the final climb, so I might have to make a slight correction.
I just generally do not adjust that much for stage hardness unless it was very easy or very hard. Everything else is basically a -2 to +2 range for me. I consider other factors more important for climbs after average stages
It is mainly the elevation gain and distance of the stage (210k vs 140k). Even if I do not know exactly how hard a stage was ridden, I also simply value the time in the saddle (6 hours vs. 4 hours) regardless of how easy/hard it was. Maybe that is wrong, but it is just my method.
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Gaps behind The Great One do seem to indicate one was considerably more dominant than the other.
Here are Froome's Top 5 performances:
Chris Froome | 81 (+7): 6.58 W/kg for 17:58 on Farrapona (Vuelta 2014)
Chris Froome | 81 (+3): 6.31 W/kg for 30:20 on Finhaut Emosson (Tour 2016)
Chris Froome | 80 (+1): 5.88 W/kg for 59:00 on Ventoux (Tour 2013)
Chris Froome | 78 (-3): 6.16 W/kg for 41:44 on Pierre Saint Martin (Tour 2015)
Chris Froome | 78 (+3): 6.05 W/kg for 39:06 on Ancares (Vuelta 2014)
Do you have Froome’s score for when he finished 3rd on Alpe d’Huez in 2022?
It’d be interesting to see if he struggled to reach his previous level after his crash, or whether he got back there but in the meantime the sport & its climbing speeds left him behind…
It’d be interesting to see if he struggled to reach his previous level after his crash, or whether he got back there but in the meantime the sport & its climbing speeds left him behind…
Froome was still pedestrian in 2022 on Alpe d'Huez. I have not calculated his score spcifically, but he climbed in 44 minutes. This is around 5.4-5.5 w/kg and raw Index around 55. Even if I adjust it up a bit for being in the break, his Index would be ~60.
So he was just a bit less pedestrian than his other performances after the crash, nowhere near his peak.
Peak Froome was not that fast compared to the top riders today, but he would still have been good enough to rank in the lower half of the top 10 in GTs / able to win mountain stages from the break today. If we specifically speak about the 2022 Tour, he could have even finished 3rd ahead of Thomas or at least 4th in top shape.
So he was just a bit less pedestrian than his other performances after the crash, nowhere near his peak.
Peak Froome was not that fast compared to the top riders today, but he would still have been good enough to rank in the lower half of the top 10 in GTs / able to win mountain stages from the break today. If we specifically speak about the 2022 Tour, he could have even finished 3rd ahead of Thomas or at least 4th in top shape.
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One name that hasn't been mentioned yet is José Maria Jiménez. He was terrible at time trials, but the best climber in several Vueltas. I wonder what his numbers were e.g. on Xorret de Catí in stage 6 of the Vuelta 1998.
First I have to say that I have not calculated all the efforts yet from the Vuelta in those years, so I do not have that many climbs from him. He was a good climber, but I don't think he has any super outstanding performance. I do have the one you asked for:
José Maria Jiménez | 84 (-2): 7.13 W/kg for 12:58 on Xorret di Cati (Vuelta 1998)
This is 2 seconds faster than Evenepoel in 2023, but quite a bit slower than Eladio Jimenez in 2000.
I also have good climbs from him on Lagunas de Neila and Lagos de Covadonga.
*Edit: On rewatch I noticed it was more windy than I thought (cross head wind, so I adjusted it up a bit)
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Unfortunately, his mythical Angliru win was in dreadful conditions, so that's probably not indexed very highly.
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2009 Contador would have smoked him. Some of the other versions would have beaten Froome, but no by much.
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Bio passport says hi, they were slow for most of the 2010s. You can't compare performances across different times so easily unfortunately.
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2011 Giro power outputs were comical, and most indexes would completely forget stuff like consecutive mountain stages or something stupid.
Plus there’s obviously no way to factor in crashes, which nevertheless have an impact. That was a monster of a race.
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It must be fun to have Rick slam your work all the time like this. Thankfully, many others have expressed admiration.
Do you have data of Valverde at Lo Port in 2017?
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