Comprehensive Climbers Ranking

[AmRacer]

To me personally the best climber does not only win but uses the least amount of effort in doing so. This i guess could theoretically mess with the perception of tiers. As i guess some couldn't care less if it takes 10 or 9 minutes, to finish on top. For as long as you take the win and preferably for others to do most of the work. That is IMHO a pinnacle of a proper climber. Maximising the results while minimising the effort.

You should start your own thread with your own list, and explanations how you calculate. Enough from me in this thread.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer

Thanks for letting me know.

As for this specific method, discussed in this thread. I feel it's OK to list the shortcomings too, otherwise people might be compelled to take it at face value. If you don't have any other input that is OK, if you do feel free to share it.

 

[kingjr]

To me personally the best climber does not only win but uses the least amount of effort in doing so. This i guess could theoretically mess with the perception of tiers. As i guess some couldn't care less if it takes 10 or 9 minutes, to finish on top. For as long as you take the win and preferably for others to do most of the work. That is IMHO a pinnacle of a proper climber. Maximising the results while minimising the effort.

You don't have an opinion on what a proper climber is. Your opinion is that Roglic is the greatest thing ever, and everything else follows from that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@kingjr

You do have a point there.

 

[Pozzovivo]

How much slower was the Pogacar group in EC compared with the Seixas group on saturday the first km of (long french name) climb?

 

[Red Rick]

How much slower was the Pogacar group in EC compared with the Seixas group on saturday the first km of (long french name) climb?

Saw a chart that had Pog gaining 30s immediately then giving it back over the easier part of the climb as he attacked very hard to drop Evenepoel very close to the bottom.

Video by the channel called 'Charlie, Carbs & Cycling' or something

 

[Pozzovivo]

Saw a chart that had Pog gaining 30s immediately then giving it back over the easier part of the climb as he attacked very hard to drop Evenepoel very close to the bottom.

Video by the channel called 'Charlie, Carbs & Cycling' or something

Thanks! I realized while reading your response that I can just go on strava to get an idea.

• After 1,2 kms Pogacar group is 28 seconds behind.
• Pogacar attacks and have made up 15 seconds at the time Evenepoel loses his wheel.
• Pogacar continues to close the gap, bringing it to even at 4km.
• Remco go back to being 30+ seconds behind.
• The gaps remian relatively stable last 2 kms. Remco lose maybe 10 seconds more on both.

Disclaimer: I don't know how well the compare function in strava map on to reality. Especially in undulating climbs this may not be perfect?

 

[Netserk]

Saw a chart that had Pog gaining 30s immediately then giving it back over the easier part of the climb as he attacked very hard to drop Evenepoel very close to the bottom.

Video by the channel called 'Charlie, Carbs & Cycling' or something

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labrosse went ham for the first ~1'40"

 

[Red Rick]

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labrosse went ham for the first ~1'40"

Guess I misread the chart

 

[Netserk]

Guess I misread the chart

yes its very dumb to have the slower rider at -28s ( the clue is that the speed is also lower )

 

[Red Rick]

yes its very dumb to have the slower rider at -28s ( the clue is that the speed is also lower )

I only very briefly watched the image pass by tbh. I don't have Strava premium so I cann't make those comparisons myself.

Anyway, I think everything really points to Pogacar doing a veeery suboptimal climb despite the race being harder, leading me to believe this climb in particular is way overindexed

 

[Peyresourde]

Pogacar clearly did a suboptimal climb with Belgium pacing slowly at the beginning. Absolutely nuking the bottom like Seixas is not optimal either. Seixas also lost a bit of time in the flatter section with Jorgenson in the wheel.

Irregular climbs like this are seldom paced consistently, which is why I give bonus points. I am reasonably certain about the watts Seixas pushed, so it was a phenomenal performance regardless of the exact adjustment.

He obviously was on a great day, let's see if he can repeat it on a longer climb. Carapaz also did a one-off performance like this in the Giro last year that he could not repeat (yet).

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar clearly did a suboptimal climb with Belgium pacing slowly at the beginning. Absolutely nuking the bottom like Seixas is not optimal either. Seixas also lost a bit of time in the flatter section with Jorgenson in the wheel.

Irregular climbs like this are seldom paced consistently, which is why I give bonus points. I am reasonably certain about the watts Seixas pushed, so it was a phenomenal performance regardless of the exact adjustment.

He obviously was on a great day, let's see if he can repeat it on a longer climb. Carapaz also did a one-off performance like this in the Giro last year that he could not repeat (yet).

I don't doubt the numbers were huge, but I also think conditions (sea level, perfect temperatures, and only like 140km into a race with the previous climb being done at super easy pace) all help out a lot.

I'm curious what numbers you have for Blatten in Switserland 2024 as a reference for absolutely perfectly easy lead in to a W/kg bazooka

 

[Netserk]

I don't doubt the numbers were huge, but I also think conditions (sea level, perfect temperatures, and only like 140km into a race with the previous climb being done at super easy pace) all help out a lot.

I'm curious what numbers you have for Blatten in Switserland 2024 as a reference for absolutely perfectly easy lead in to a W/kg bazooka

almeida was just 4" quicker than yates

Adam Yates | 83.7 | PB: 88 (-9): 7.12 W/kg for 19:31 on Blatten R.I.P. (Suisse 2024)