Contador 2010

[Carboncrank]

Originally Posted by Carboncrank
There is NO evidence that is true. Quite the opposite. More than one rider after the race said they knew they needed to move up before that turn. They saw the risk. I didn't take a genius.

The turn is not what caused the split, Columbia putting their entire team on the front to spit the group caused the split. George told Lance they were going to do this and he did not relay the info over the radio to the rest of his teammates. When the split happened and his team leader did not make the split he put his guys on the front to make the gap as large as possible.

This classless move was only enhanced a few days later when he and Kloden chased Contador's attack until the both popped....after dragging the other key contenders closer.

It does not take genius to recognize this.

True internet cranks like you think just saying a thing over and over again, and having another internet crank congratulate you is what makes something true.

You have no proof of that, you don't even claim proof, and there is proof to the contrary. George didn't say it. Nobody on Columbia said it. Other riders pointed out just exactly what I said and you persist in this nonsense.
I'm certain I can source what I'm saying but I know from previous expereince 3 or 4 of you will just ignore it and go into another spastic round of grade school name calling so I won't bother unless someone not on my "stupid infantile" list wants me to.

If you want to persist in this, take it to the Lance thread. I actually came here to read about Alberto.

 

[Carboncrank]

Whatever dude.

Here's something for you to jack off to:

Yes. You are on the "stupid infantile" list too.

 

[Carboncrank]

And you would be wrong yet again.

I don't know what you think you are accomplishing with these silly asides but I'm sure it annoying the hell out of more people than just me.
and yes, this is yet another example of why you are on my "stupid infantile" list.

 

[WonderLance]

I don't know what you think you are accomplishing with these silly asides but I'm sure it annoying the hell out of more people than just me.
and yes, this is yet another example of why you are on my "stupid infantile" list.

Yeha, these guys really **** me off. Couldnt they see how dreamy Lance worked so well for Contador and how good he was for the team bringing in all that attention and money and famous people like Robin williams the guy who dressed up like a old lady for money.

He worked like a dog and contador cant even respect lancer for the true champ he is.

 

[cotterpin]

he's fast

didn't take cc long after the pornstrong photo to post again.
As much as JB is a douche, the road did decide-AC kicked Pharmstrongs a$$ !! And he'll do it again.

 

[Race Radio]

Originally Posted by Carboncrank
There is NO evidence that is true. Quite the opposite. More than one rider after the race said they knew they needed to move up before that turn. They saw the risk. I didn't take a genius.


True internet cranks like you think just saying a thing over and over again, and having another internet crank congratulate you is what makes something true.

You have no proof of that, you don't even claim proof, and there is proof to the contrary. George didn't say it. Nobody on Columbia said it. Other riders pointed out just exactly what I said and you persist in this nonsense.
I'm certain I can source what I'm saying but I know from previous expereince 3 or 4 of you will just ignore it and go into another spastic round of grade school name calling so I won't bother unless someone not on my "stupid infantile" list wants me to.

If you want to persist in this, take it to the Lance thread. I actually came here to read about Alberto.

Actually Brian Holm Columbia DS confirmed it in an interview with Danish radio, Vincenzo Nibali said it in an interview in Cyclesport two months ago and Rolf Aldag was heard by reporters after the race asking Hincapie "Why did you tell him and not the others?"

I believe them over some internet groupie who makes childish lists and has anger mangement issues.

 

[Publicus]

Originally Posted by Carboncrank
There is NO evidence that is true. Quite the opposite. More than one rider after the race said they knew they needed to move up before that turn. They saw the risk. I didn't take a genius.


True internet cranks like you think just saying a thing over and over again, and having another internet crank congratulate you is what makes something true.

You have no proof of that, you don't even claim proof, and there is proof to the contrary. George didn't say it. Nobody on Columbia said it. Other riders pointed out just exactly what I said and you persist in this nonsense.
I'm certain I can source what I'm saying but I know from previous expereince 3 or 4 of you will just ignore it and go into another spastic round of grade school name calling so I won't bother unless someone not on my "stupid infantile" list wants me to.

If you want to persist in this, take it to the Lance thread. I actually came here to read about Alberto.

Perhaps you missed Hincapie's interview just after Stage 3. Here's a link to a blog post from the time period that describes Hincapie's response to a direct question (whether he tipped off Lance). It corroborates everything I recall about the interview.

http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2009/07/did-hincapie-tell-lance-when-hammer.html

 

[Publicus]

I don't know what you think you are accomplishing with these silly asides but I'm sure it annoying the hell out of more people than just me.
and yes, this is yet another example of why you are on my "stupid infantile" list.

Just pointing out that whatever you think is irrelevant in light of the facts posted. That's the great part about these forums, folks provide links and information to help those ignorant of those facts find knowledge. If you want to continue to think the opposite in spite of those facts, well that speaks volumes....

 

[Race Radio]

Just pointing out that whatever you think is irrelevant in light of the facts posted. That's the great part about these forums, folks provide links and information to help those ignorant of those facts find knowledge. If you want to continue to think the opposite in spite of those facts, well that speaks volumes....

I think you just got upgraded to the "Double hater poopie head" List. Quite an honor.

 

[Publicus]

I think you just got upgraded to the "Double hater poopie head" List. Quite an honor.

I'm thinking about updating my resume!

 

[Carboncrank]

Perhaps you missed Hincapie's interview just after Stage 3. Here's a link to a blog post from the time period that describes Hincapie's response to a direct question (whether he tipped off Lance). It corroborates everything I recall about the interview.

http://recovoxnews.blogspot.com/2009/07/did-hincapie-tell-lance-when-hammer.html

Ok.. I read it. It does not back your claim. Nowhere. The closest it comes is this " All he’d admit was that he knew Armstrong was close by when the hammer went down."

This is your proof? I pity the person you ever sit on a jury for.

I remember hearing Cavandish react to a stupid question about it from a writer by saying; "where'd you here that? some internet forum?" It was on the Versus broadcast the next day before the race.

I'll quote from the article you provided.

"Cavendish said there was no premeditation. He even went so far as to accuse those who missed the split of “racing like juniors”

Just admit your boy is not perfect and move on.

 

[buckwheat]

Yes. You are on the "stupid infantile" list too.

Have you gotten Prance a Valentines Day card yet?

 

[Race Radio]

Ok.. I read it. It does not back your claim. Nowhere. The closest it comes is this " All he’d admit was that he knew Armstrong was close by when the hammer went down."

This is your proof? I pity the person you ever sit on a jury for.

I remember hearing Cavandish react to a stupid question about it from a writer by saying; "where'd you here that? some internet forum?" It was on the Versus broadcast the next day before the race.

I'll quote from the article you provided.

"Cavendish said there was no premeditation. He even went so far as to accuse those who missed the split of “racing like juniors”

Just admit your boy is not perfect and move on.

I gave you three people that were closer to that action then you will ever be. They all said George told Armstrong.

Just admit your boy is not perfect and move on

 

[Publicus]

Ok.. I read it. It does not back your claim. Nowhere. The closest it comes is this " All he’d admit was that he knew Armstrong was close by when the hammer went down."

This is your proof? I pity the person you ever sit on a jury for.

I remember hearing Cavandish react to a stupid question about it from a writer by saying; "where'd you here that? some internet forum?" It was on the Versus broadcast the next day before the race.

I'll quote from the article you provided.

"Cavendish said there was no premeditation. He even went so far as to accuse those who missed the split of “racing like juniors”

Just admit your boy is not perfect and move on.

Two things: (1) non-verbal communication is the overwhelming method of communication between humans. I didn't provide the link as dispositive proof, but to corroborate what I witnessed during the interview, since it would be fair to say you wouldn't trust the word of someone on your stupid infantile list. (2) he was asked a very specific question and he refused to answer it. Doesn't matter what Cavendish said, since he isn't Hincapie. Hincapie was asked and Hincapie chose not to answer. I drew a particular inference from his refusal to answer and the uncomfortable look on his face/body language.

And I'll admit my boy is not perfect, just as soon as you tell me who my boy is and when I asserted that he was perfect. Thanks in advance.

 

[Carboncrank]

Two things: (1) non-verbal communication is the overwhelming method of communication between humans. I didn't provide the link as dispositive proof, but to corroborate what I witnessed during the interview, since it would be fair to say you wouldn't trust the word of someone on your stupid infantile list. (2) he was asked a very specific question and he refused to answer it. Doesn't matter what Cavendish said, since he isn't Hincapie. Hincapie was asked and Hincapie chose not to answer. I drew a particular inference from his refusal to answer and the uncomfortable look on his face/body language.

And I'll admit my boy is not perfect, just as soon as you tell me who my boy is and when I asserted that he was perfect. Thanks in advance.

You see what you want to see and disregard the rest. He answered the question. I remember it being asked after the race. I can even quote from the article YOU PROVIDED. "Hincapie finally answered".

What part of that do you not understand.
First word is a name Hincapie... second word... finally... third word ... answered.. Hincapie finally answered.... All he’d admit was that he knew Armstrong was close by when the hammer went down.

Sorry that doesn't fit your nutjob opinion.

 

[Carboncrank]

Two things: (1) non-verbal communication is the overwhelming method of communication between humans.

And misinterpretations of non-verbal communications, whether unintentional or malicious, are the greatest source of human misery on the face of this planet.

 

[Publicus]

You see what you want to see and disregard the rest. He answered the question. I remember it being asked after the race. I can even quote from the article YOU PROVIDED. "Hincapie finally answered".

What part of that do you not understand.
First word is a name Hincapie... second word... finally... third word ... answered.. Hincapie finally answered.... All he’d admit was that he knew Armstrong was close by when the hammer went down.

Sorry that doesn't fit your nutjob opinion.

Which isn't the answer to the question asked. He did not say "Of course not" or "No" or "Why would I?" No, he stood there uncomfortably for several seconds and issued the non-responsive answer you noted above. You obviously missed the non-verbal cues, and that's understandable--you were probably giving yourself high five's and doing chest bumps in the mirror over Armstrong's big move.

So there isn't anything I don't understand about the topic, but thanks for your concern. If you like, I can point you to some helpful books to help you understand the importance of non-verbal communication.

 

[Publicus]

And misinterpretations of non-verbal communications, whether unintentional or malicious, are the greatest source of human misery on the face of this planet.

Is that right? I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to make such a claim, but then I'm modest that way.

 

[Carboncrank]

Actually Brian Holm Columbia DS confirmed it in an interview with Danish radio, Vincenzo Nibali said it in an interview in Cyclesport two months ago and Rolf Aldag was heard by reporters after the race asking Hincapie "Why did you tell him and not the others?"

I believe them over some internet groupie who makes childish lists and has anger mangement issues.

Forgive me if, at this point, I don't believe anything you say that you can't document.

Feel free to hold me to the same standard.

 

[Carboncrank]

There's little question that, had this occurred entirely within the US, you would have seen a lawsuit being slapped on RS which likely would have included a TRO (temporary restraining order).

You a lawyer moosey guy?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Prove me wrong.

 

[Publicus]

You a lawyer moosey guy?

You don't know what you are talking about.

Prove me wrong.

Tortious interference with a contract. And the appropriate remedy would be an initial TRO followed by a permanent injunction. And before you ask: yes.

 

[Big GMaC]

Tortious interference with a contract. And the appropriate remedy would be an initial TRO followed by a permanent injunction. And before you ask: yes.

Boom.

Lawyered.

Can we go back to talking Contador now?

Where is he first racing this season? And was there mention of him doing some of the cobbled classics in prep for the TdF stages in Flanders?

 

[Publicus]

Boom.

Lawyered.

Can we go back to talking Contador now?

Where is he first racing this season? And was there mention of him doing some of the cobbled classics in prep for the TdF stages in Flanders?

From what he's said his first race is the Volta ao Algarvae which starts Feb 18th. Then I believe it's on to Paris Nice, Vuelta a Catalunya and Tour of the Basque Country. He said if he's not too tired from those stage races he may do the Ardennes Classics.

Also reported that he would actually head to Belgium in the early part of February to train on the cobbles. I can piece together links in the morning if you want them.

 

[Big GMaC]

From what he's said his first race is the Volta ao Algarvae which starts Feb 18th. Then I believe it's on to Paris Nice, Vuelta a Catalunya and Tour of the Basque Country. He said if he's not too tired from those stage races he may do the Ardennes Classics.

Also reported that he would actually head to Belgium in the early part of February to train on the cobbles. I can piece together links in the morning if you want them.

It would make some sense for him to do a camp in Belgium. no need for links, but thanks. Has he ridden the cobbles before? Because even a trundle through the Ardennes could be a good tune up, even if he doesn't race to win. Although if he goes he would probably want to put up some fight. Will he race the Paris-Nice/Vuelta/Basque to win, or to get settled?

 

[595RED]

As discussed in the Predictions 2010 with Publicus - I think Conti might have a bad tour, but rebound in the Vuelta against a weaker field.

Pub' asked why I think his tour will suffer without JB, and therefore why I would predict that he can then go on and win a GT later in the season.

Here was my response - sounds relevant for this thread:

Cannot see AC struggling in 2010, he is a focussed individual and a leader in his own right. He is the rider of now and cannot see how the "support" of the 2009 edition can be any less in 2010. To be honest he is easilly the most brilliant GT racer of this decade, it will be AC and AS hammering it out.